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People of Matrix can you make a Test (SP Icons 3D)? - 8/16/2003 10:16:35 PM

Halberdier

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You Know that SP (steel Panthers) have Icons in 2D style. I want ask you , if you can change the Icons of SP to Panzer General style 3D and question to the people about It.

I tell this one because I know you planning to out a new game (Combat leader) that have a very interesting mechanism, but I think that 2D style will not competitive with other styles in the market of the games.

I do not talk about change the Maps of SP , only the icons of units. Please see this new mods for East/west front-Talonsoft from the PanzerLiga take from Panzer General II:

Can you make a MOD of icons-3D for SP before finish the Combat Leader game?

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Thanks.

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- 8/16/2003 11:25:28 PM

Les_the_Sarge_9_1

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Nice idea and naturally pleasing to the eye (as I think any would agree) Halberdier.

But to address the concept of competitive that is not such an easy thing to master.

The current trend is to go completely 3d in fact. EYSA being a good example.

But there is no slckening off of interest in the more straightforward looking 2d all the same.

2d is merely what it is.

Strategic Command proved nicely that a game needs only be well made to be popular. It's not about the nature of the icons always.

Korsun Pocket is currently doing quite well, and it employs well established counter icons as well.

I constantly see people interested in games that use humble counter image emulating graphics to do what it is they have always done well, represent military formations.

If there is indeed a desire to see Steel Panthers go 3d, I am sure some independent source will create it.
Although I think the line up for additional Mega Campaigns would likely be considerably longer.
And you would not have trouble finding persons willing to line up for a SPWaW modern version.

I would be really amused though to see any effort devoted to creating 3d icons for Steel Panthers. I am unsure if there is even any demand for it in Combat Leader.

As it goes, all I want from Combat Leader is the much improved where software is concerned game mechanic.

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- 8/16/2003 11:37:53 PM

Warhorse

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Halberdier,

Much as this would look nice in the game, it simply can't be done! For one, this game is a top-down visual, while the CS/PG games are a 3/4 view of sorts, where you can see the sides of the vehicles, not just top down, this can't be changed. Sorry about that, it would look good!!

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icons - 8/17/2003 1:16:31 AM

Halberdier

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Thanks for your fast answers guys

Sarge , I know , I know that you tried to say and I'm with you say 99%. But,what is the cost for make a 3D MOD for SP?, nothing I say , and maybe we can re-discover this game for more people. Or maybe not, you can say , but ever is at very Low cost.

Warhorse , I see that the SHP files (Image files) is similar in Panzer general-II and in Steel Panthers.

In PGII you have 9 pictures for each icon. Please guys tell me if I'm wrong: Is it possible that SP have a three pictures for each icon?.Because if this is the case is possible make the 3D I think.

Or what is the mechanism of the Icons in SP ? There are any version of SP where we can use 3D pictures? Where can I get this information?

I really want to talk with the friend who make those icons for EF/WF of talonsoft and see if we can make a 3D mod for SP Icons.

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- 8/17/2003 1:37:37 AM

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Halberdier more power to ya if you can get a 3d project going.

I am just a player in my case though, I don't have much inside knowledge of what was done to generate the actual images we see.

But there is this I know, even after all these years, and we still encounter people that have never even seen Steel Panthers.

Just last week I mailed out yet another one of my Ultra Steel Panthers cds (I am able to burn to cd all that is commonly available for download to those that don't enjoy the service of a high speed connection).

I have yet another waiting to be shipped out, and I plan to add a copy of my cd to a friend that bought an old copy of one of my other wargames.

The game is alive and well which is cool after all these years.

A good game is after all a good game :)

But it would take a major undertaking to render all that is out there into 3d and then convince everyone they needed it.

And when you consider that Matrix Games will not to long be arketing Combat Leader, it seems like a bridge too far prospect to do something as radical as recreate Steel Panthers in 3d.

I can't speak from an absolute certainty, but I am not sure if the program can even handle a 3d image.

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Re: icons - 8/17/2003 1:48:17 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Halberdier
[B]Thanks for your fast answers guys

In PGII you have 9 pictures for each icon. Please guys tell me if I'm wrong: Is it possible that SP have a three pictures for each icon?.Because if this is the case is possible make the 3D I think.

Or what is the mechanism of the Icons in SP ? There are any version of SP where we can use 3D pictures? Where can I get this information?

I really want to talk with the friend who make those icons for EF/WF of talonsoft and see if we can make a 3D mod for SP Icons. [/B][/QUOTE]

No, in WAW each icon only uses ONE image, the only version that used 3 was SP1, and the versions after that didn't utilize this anymore. Trust me, I did most of the vehicle icon work for Matrix, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, 3D CANNOT be introduced into the game. When you click around the vehicle to change facing, the program only rotates the same image, which is why, in the case of the Grant, Char B, and a few others with sponson/auxiliary guns, the gun is on the wrong side of the icon when rotated 180 degrees.

All you have to do is put in an image from PG, into SP, you will see what I mean.....

Warhorse

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icons - 8/17/2003 2:41:25 AM

Halberdier

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Ohh guys I see that will be imposible with only one-picture to make a 3D mod in SP . I hope that the people of Matrix take in mind this limitation in SP because they could make possible the future option for 3D Icon MOD in the new game: Combat Leader.

thank you very much for your answers,
Regards

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