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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/23/2021 12:51:12 PM

BDukes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: orca

Every article I�ve read about the AGM-158C LRASM describes only passive targeting sensors- ie RF, IR, INS, GPS. I don�t recall any mentioning it employing a radar like it does on the DB. Does anyone have any more knowledge on its correct sensors?
Thanks

This is the only thing I can find

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/bae-systems-awarded-production-contract-for-additional-lrasm-seekers

quote:

LRASM is a joint-service (US Navy: USN/US Air Force: USAF) 2400 lb (1088.6 kg) air-launched high-subsonic conventional precision-guided stand-off anti-ship missile derived from the AGM-158B Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile - Extended Range (JASSM-ER) weapon system. The AGM-158C retains the JASSM-ER 1000 lb penetrator/blast fragmentation warhead and enhanced digital anti-jam GPS, but introduces a multimode sensor/seeker package developed by BAE Systems (which combines a passive radio-frequency (RF) long-range sensor for wide area target acquisition and an imaging infrared seeker for terminal targeting), and a weapon data link L-Band Unit (LBU) supplied by ViaSat. The missile has a stated air-launched range of �greater than 200 n miles� (370 km).

No mention of active radar seeker.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/23/2021 5:04:15 PM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>ARC Cabo Corrientes class, Columbian Coastguard</summary>
<detail>
Coastal Patrol vessel
3 units in class, 1 retired (PC-141) is first in class. PC-143 inservice, uncert for PC-141.
Former US Point class (Point Wells, Point Estero, Point Sal)
</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3075509
http://shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2774441
https://www.facebook.com/ArmadaDeColombia/posts/948194931971590/
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1957698
https://fonchi262.tumblr.com/post/629454131872022528/colombian-point-class-cutter-arc-cabo-corrientes
https://www.elheraldo.co/barranquilla/la-tercera-vida-del-buque-arc-cabo-tiburon-466130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-class_cutter
https://www.warboats.org/wpb.htm
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/23/2021 5:24:13 PM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>LCU-1466 Colombian navy</summary>
<detail>
6 units in service
First unit might be ARC Golfo de Morrosquillo, uncert about sidnrs between sites. Prob 242.
</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2866819
https://www.cgfm.mil.co/es/blog/armada-de-colombia-continua-llevando-ayuda-humanitaria-las-poblaciones-de-la-zona-insular
https://www.marinetraffic.com/es/ais/details/ships/shipid:4570103/mmsi:730000242/imo:0/vessel:GOLFO_D_MORROSQUILLO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Craft_Utility#LCU_1466,_1610_and_1627_classes
https://boats-from-usa.com/landing-craft/landing-craft-1466-class-lcu-1528-239633
http://asmrb.pbworks.com/w/page/129916947/LCU-1466%20landing%20craft
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/23/2021 7:08:38 PM

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For Text and image amendment requests use this thread.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3441939

Not immediately obvious but the images and descriptions are separate from the DB"s.
Cheers
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: p1t1o

<type>Update</type>
<ID>DB entry #1174 - AS-21 Yakhont</ID>
<summary>
Remove anomalous reference to Kh-25 missiles from description.
Correct reference to AS-12 to AS-21.
</summary>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/24/2021 4:51:03 PM

Parel803

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Got this extra info from a nice person. I made some mistakes in the LCU-1466 Colombian Navy entry. Thx and here it is.

The first ARC Golfo de Morrosquillo, LD246, (ex-Shenandoah, ex-LCU 1516) is an ex-USN LCU Type 1466. It was in service in the Colombian Navy until 2016. The Type 1466s were acquired by Colombia as early as 1990. Three Type 1466s, the ARC Golfo de Morrosquillo 246, ARC Uruba 247 and ARC Bahia Malaga 254, were removed from service by 2016. The remaining Type 1466s continued serving until at least 2019 and may still be in service.

The second ARC Golfo de Morrosquillo, LD242 (which was commissioned in 2017), is an indigenuously built BDA of the Golfo de Tribuga class. They were built at COTECMAR, Cartagena and the lead ship (ARC Golfo de Tribuga) was commissioned in 2014. A total of 8 vessels were planned and 5 were completed as of 2018. The details of this ship class are not identical to the Type 1466.

Confusing the hull number issue is an earlier set of 3 ex-USN LCM Type 8s which were in service with Colombia from 1993 to 2015. They were removed from service as the Golfo de Tribuga class were commissioned. The 3 ships are: Bah�a Sapzurro LD240; Bah�a Humbolt LD241; Bah�a Octavia LD242.

https://www.navypedia.org/ships/colombia/col_ls_bahia_sapzurro.htm
https://www.navypedia.org/ships/colombia/col_ls_golfo_de_morrosquillo.htm
https://www.navypedia.org/ships/colombia/col_ls_golfo_de_tribuga.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/18/181516.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/18/181543.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/18/181592.htm
https://www.marinetraffic.com/es/ais/details/ships/shipid:778177/mmsi:730000240/imo:0/vessel:ARC_GOLFO_DE_TRIBUGA
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/2015/06/19/industria-colombiana-muda-projeto-e-aumenta-capacidade-de-seus-barcos-de-desembarque/
https://www.cotecmar.com/productos/bda

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/24/2021 7:38:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BDukes

quote:

ORIGINAL: orca

Every article I�ve read about the AGM-158C LRASM describes only passive targeting sensors- ie RF, IR, INS, GPS. I don�t recall any mentioning it employing a radar like it does on the DB. Does anyone have any more knowledge on its correct sensors?
Thanks

This is the only thing I can find

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/bae-systems-awarded-production-contract-for-additional-lrasm-seekers

quote:

LRASM is a joint-service (US Navy: USN/US Air Force: USAF) 2400 lb (1088.6 kg) air-launched high-subsonic conventional precision-guided stand-off anti-ship missile derived from the AGM-158B Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile - Extended Range (JASSM-ER) weapon system. The AGM-158C retains the JASSM-ER 1000 lb penetrator/blast fragmentation warhead and enhanced digital anti-jam GPS, but introduces a multimode sensor/seeker package developed by BAE Systems (which combines a passive radio-frequency (RF) long-range sensor for wide area target acquisition and an imaging infrared seeker for terminal targeting), and a weapon data link L-Band Unit (LBU) supplied by ViaSat. The missile has a stated air-launched range of �greater than 200 n miles� (370 km).

No mention of active radar seeker.

Possibly the mentioning of the RWR/ESM equipment got people off track.
Quote:
Both JASSM and LRASM have specific features to help them get to their target even if they lose GPS connectivity or the beyond-line-of-sight data links get jammed.

LRASM also has onboard electronic support measures and radar warning receivers to help it automatically dodge threats. In addition to using its own infrared imaging seeker to prioritize targets, it can use those emissions to help classify them.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20446/jassm-is-grabbing-headlines-but-the-navys-own-stealthy-weapon-is-set-to-get-way-more-capable

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/25/2021 11:45:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

For Text and image amendment requests use this thread.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3441939

Not immediately obvious but the images and descriptions are separate from the DB"s.
Cheers
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: p1t1o

<type>Update</type>
<ID>DB entry #1174 - AS-21 Yakhont</ID>
<summary>
Remove anomalous reference to Kh-25 missiles from description.
Correct reference to AS-12 to AS-21.
</summary>

Gotcha, thanks for the heads up :)

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/25/2021 8:16:17 PM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Looks like US Carriers used the NATO SeaSparrow Missile System (NSSMS) MK 6 Low Light Level Television (LLLTV). Then a system called Stalker LREOSS and now one called AN/SAY-3/I-stalker. They now ordering AN/SAY-3 that are not integrated with Sea Sparrow mounts. </summary>
<detail>
Reagan and Lincoln first AN/SAY-3 during their last upgrades.
Stalker is a director for Seasparrow but also an independent EO sensor. Director called Stalker-DM. Independent called Stalker-IM. Ball site linked below sees to have the camera specs.
Per-Janes DFW

The l-Stalker programme, also known as AN/SAY-3, is a rapid deployment capability for fleet urgent operational needs (UONs) to support the security and protection of USN ships through the provision of improved shipboard situational awareness capabilities to combat fast attack craft/fast inshore attack craft. The system replaces the earlier Stalker LREOSS system, which is itself a modular, portable, form/fit replacement for the NATO SeaSparrow Missile System (NSSMS) MK 6 Low Light Level Television (LLLTV).

Stalker was developed to enhance the USN�s ability to detect, classify, identify, and determine hostile intent of potential threats to its ships, with experimental prototypes originally tested on CVNs and large amphibious ships from 2008. In response to a counter-swarm UON raised by US Naval Forces Central Command in 2010, a sole-source contract was awarded to Ball Aerospace in September 2012 for a single Stalker (NSSMS MK 6 MOD 4 LLLTV) Independent Mount (IM) experimental prototype system and eight Stalker (NSSMS MK 6 MOD 3 LLLTV) Director Mount (DM) developmental prototype systems (the IM configuration being deployed on ships not having the NSMSS missile system). A second sole-source contract to procure 12 DM systems, three IM systems, and upgrade eight of the developmental LREOSS prototypes to a production configuration was let to Ball Aerospace in April 2014.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/usn-begins-i-stalker-lreoss-fits-to-carriers
https://twitter.com/mhmiranusa/status/1325857938217512961
https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/2472731/nswc-crane-provides-years-of-electro-optic-support-to-critical-i-stalker-system/
http://www.ball.com/aerospace/programs/seasparrow
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ball-aerospace-awarded-stalker-contract-to-protect-us-navy-ships-258265221.html
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/153766/ball-wins-contract-to-protect-us-navy-ships.html
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/25/2021 10:42:23 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add Japanese Phantom Bomb Loadouts through out of service 2020. </summary>
<detail>
Japanese bomb loadouts are similar to US Phantom 500lb and 750lb loadouts with a mix of Japanese and US Munitions. No bombs over 750lb. First two links. Third and 5th link. Mk.82. 4th link. JM-117, Mk.82 CBU/87. 6th link JM-117 7th and 9th Link. ALQ-131 Jammer
Lot of models have GCS-1 but haven't found a picture that isn't a test loadout or with a designator pod.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/Jasdf_dock/status/1352374346417795073
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/451240-mitsubishi-f-4ej-kai-super-phantom/
https://blog-imgs-62.fc2.com/f/1/4/f14remcat/IMG_9033.jpg
http://fanblogs.jp/hikoukifun/archive/8/0
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/451075-mitsubishi-f-4ej-phantom-ii/
https://www.difesaonline.it/sites/default/files/pictures/261120%20phantom%207.jpg
https://blog.goo.ne.jp/esper-hk/d/20141021
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/tomytec-ac102-f-4ej-kai-301sq-nyutabaru--1030711
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 8:21:05 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K, Uribe class, P-121, Offshore Patrol Vessel, Mexican Navy </summary>
<detail>
Stil 5 units in service (as far as I found). First unit in class sunk in SinkEx
1 unit on Shipspotting seen in 2020
First unit from 1982, devoloped by Spanish Empresa Nacional Bazan
</detail>
<evidence>
https://rosaritoenlanoticia2.blogspot.com/2015/11/hundimiento-del-casco-ex-arm-uribe-121.html
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2839261
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uribe-class_patrol_vessel
https://patrullerasargentinas.blogspot.com/2014_11_01_archive.html
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=3204043
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Uribe-class_patrol_vessel
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 9:15:15 AM

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Holzinger class, P-131, Offshore Patrol Vessel, Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
4 units in class
First unit commisioned 1991
Based on Uribe class
The Sierra class (Holzinger-2000) based on Holzinger class
JFS2013/2014: Displ=1311full, Dimensions=74.4x10.5x3.4, speed=22, range=3820at16, personel=75,
machinary=2xMTU20V 956 TB92 diesels;11700hp(m)(8.6MW) 2shafts, guns=2xBofors 40mm/60(1twin),
radar=SPS-64(V)6A + 1xKH I-nav, EO=ElsagNA18 or Garfio2
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holzinger-class_patrol_vessel
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Holzinger-class_patrol_vessel
https://patrullerasargentinas.blogspot.com/2014_11_01_archive.html
https://www.semar.gob.mx/galeria/buques/superficie2004/patrulla/oceanica/holzinger.htm
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/mexico/mex_es_sebastian_jose_holzinger.htm
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/latin-america-naval-shipbuilding-thread-over-1000-tons.7799/
https://www.facebook.com/SentinelMexico1/photos/a.360648280705498.1073741842.339762372794089/1268874506549533/?type=3
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 10:05:19 AM

Parel803

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Tenochtitlan class, P-331, Coastal Patrol Vessel, Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
prob 10 units in class
First unit commisioned 2012
Based on Damen Stan Patrol 4207. In DB as #3143/#3144 Albania, #2962 Honduras, #2802 Venezuela.
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 208t standard
Dimensions - 42.8 x 7.11 x 2.52 mtr
Speed - 26 kts
Complement - 14
Machinary - 2x Caterpillar 3516B DI-TA: 5600 hp (4.17 MW), 2x CP Props
Guns - 2x 12.7 mm MG, 2x 7.62 mm MG
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenochtitlan-class_patrol_vessel
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/tnochtitlan-class-coastal-patrol-vessels/
https://www.offshore-energy.biz/mexican-navy-damen-ink-contract-for-fifth-tenochtitlan-class-patrol-vessel/
http://www.milpower.org/shipclass.asp?class=Damen%20Stan%204207
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2495071
https://twitter.com/semar_mx/status/552936969970651136
https://www.defensa.com/mexico/botadura-arm-bonampak-pc-339-para-armada-mexico
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 10:34:58 AM

Parel803

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Montes Azules class, BAL-01, Logistic Support Ship (AK), Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
2 units inn class
First unit commisioned 2011
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 3666t full
Dimensions - 99.98 x 15.244 x 3.4 mtr
Speed - 12 kts
Machinary - 2 diesels, 3500 hp (2.6 MW), 2 shafts
Guns - 5x 40mm Bofors
Helicopter platformBow Ramp, Hydrolic crane, 2z LCVP
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ARM_Montes_Azules_leaving_Port_of_Guaymas,_04.12.2019.jpg
http://shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2478438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deLHOozn6l0
https://todopormexico.foroactivo.com/t4120p875-clase-montez-azules-bal-01-bal-02
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Montez_Azules_(BAL-01)
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1696133
https://www.gob.mx/semar/prensa/arriba-buque-arm-montes-azules-de-la-armada-de-mexico-con-mas-539-toneladas-de-ayuda-humanitaria-a-salina-cruz-oaxaca
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 11:08:31 AM

Parel803

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Polaris class (Combatboat 90 HMN),P-1101 , PBF Small Patrol Vessel, Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
48 units in class
First unit commisioned 1999/2000, Polaris. hard to find evidence still in service
Swedish & Mexican build
#1764 in DB CB-90N from Norway
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 19t full
Dimensions - 16.1 x 3.8 x 0.9 mtr
Speed - 47 kts
Range: 240nm at 30 kts
Complement: 4
Machinary - 2 CAT 3406E diesels, 1605 hp(m) (1.18 MW), 2 waterjets
Guns - 1x 12.7mm MG
Radar: Bridgemaster-E, I-band
</detail>
<Evidence>
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/mexico/mex_cf_polaris.htm
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-mexican-navy-cb-90-combat-boat-hmn-polaris-class-patrol-interceptor-103770764.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CB90-class_fast_assault_craft
http://warboats-org-forum.41646.n3.nabble.com/Swedish-CB-90-Combat-Boat-td63622i60.html
https://www.saab.com/products/docksta-cb90
https://www.dockstavarvet.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Dockstavarvet-News-Magazine-2012.pdf
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 11:29:22 AM

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Polaris II / Miaplacidus class (Combatboat 90 HMN),P-1401 , PBF Small Patrol Vessel, Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
17? units in class
First unit commisioned 2005, Miaplacidus P1401. Hard to find evidence still in service
Swedish & Mexican build
#1764 in DB CB-90N from Norway
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 19t full
Dimensions - 16 x 3.8 x 0.9 mtr
Speed - 50 kts
Range: 240nm at 30 kts
Complement: 4
Machinary - 2 MAN diesels, 2200 hp(m) (1.62MW), 2 waterjets
Guns - 1x OtoMelara 12.7mm MG
Radar: Bridgemaster-E, I-band
</detail>
<Evidence>
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/mexico/mex_cf_miaplacidus.htm
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/combatboat90/
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1650625
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armada_de_M%C3%A9xico
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 12:04:07 PM

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Democrata class,P-241, PBO, Mexican Navy</summary>
<detail>
Not much info found, if more is needed, please report and I'll try to do better.
6? units in class
First unit commisioned 1998, second unit in 2009
Mexican build
Units differ in class
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 457(241) 671(242) full
Dimensions - 52.5 x 9 x 2.7 (241), 59.1 x 9 x 2.7 (242)mtr
Speed - 30 kts
Complement: 36
Machinary - 2 MTU 20V 956 TB92 (241), 2 Caterpillar 4640 (242), 6119 hp(m), 4.5 MW, 2 shafts
Guns - 2x Bofor 40mm/60 Twin) (241), 1x 25mm (242)
Radar: Decca E/F-band
</detail>
<Evidence>
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/mexico/mex_cf_democrata.htm
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/mexico/mex_es_madero.htm
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/central-south-american-military-news-reports-data-etc.6627/page-21
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CoastShipNHMDF.JPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d4vCIDEPKA
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 2:17:56 PM

Parel803

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>DB3K 487, Marlim (or Marlin) Class, LP-01, Fast Attack Craft, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
6? units in class
First unit commisioned 2005
Brazil build, slightly longer than ITA Meatini class
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 46 t full
Dimensions - 20.8 x 5.5 x 1.06 mtr
Speed - 27 kts
Range: 850 nm at 15 kts
Complement: 9
Machinary - 2x MTU 8V 2000 M92 diesels, 2000 hp (1.49 MW), 2 shafts
Guns - 3x 7.62 mm MG
Radar: Furuno I-band
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Marlin_Class_Patrol_Ships
https://www.marinha.mil.br/emgepron/en-us/marlim-class-patrol-boat
https://www.marinha.mil.br/noticias/aviso-de-patrulha-dourado-realiza-inspecao-naval-patrulhamento-e-passa-por-inspecao
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/AviPa_Albacora_(LP-04)
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/2009/06/19/mb-incorpora-aviso-de-patrulha-barracuda/
https://naval.com.br/ngb/A/A132/A132.html
http://santosshiplovers.blogspot.com/2012/02/avipa-albacora-gptpnse-02-pw9019-em.html
https://tecnodefesa.com.br/sarc-corced-e-instalada-na-avipa-anequim-da-marinha/
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/M/M078/M078.htm
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 2:54:29 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Grajau Class, P-40, Large Patrol Craft, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
12 units in class
First unit commisioned 1993
Brazil build
JFS2013/2014:
Displ - 200 t standard, 220 t full
Dimensions - 46.5 x 7.5 x 2.3 mtr
Speed - 26 kts
Range: 2200 nm at 12 kts
Complement: 29
Machinary - 2x MTU 8V 396 TB94 diesels, 5800 hp(m) (4.26 MW), 2 shafts
Guns - 1x Bofors 40 mm/L70-350, 2x Oerlikon 20 mm
Radar: Furuno ARPA M-1954C I-band, Racal Decca 1290A I-band
Other Sensor: Possible EO]1 RHIB
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Brazilian_patrol_boat_Graja%C3%BA_(P40)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graja%C3%BA-class_patrol_boat
https://power-nations.blogspot.com/2013/01/grajau-class-patrol-boat.html
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/G/G038/G038.htm
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/G/G053/G053.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Brazilian_Navy#/media/File:P_43_-_Goiana_(7204164774).jpg
https://tribunahoje.com/noticias/cidades/2018/09/04/navio-patrulha-grajau-abre-para-visitacao-publica-em-maceio/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=03290e6a5772a6763394cf74412eb2257030512a-1611676343-0-Ab8IMH0cqIJOk6iUIBg30ojr69WYvTUiLW6QtmYCZxWqFhwyscaCYHCkTF_3iLRJtnCG8Q6mSA-Umm1qzilKqKDSXqZqP8QdBnnf0ND_0THKA7fzhs4gdcfLmsr2xqN1mIPZUF16h6H4u57dYEqZaxQjOOBK-DrYPB33V01zC_5amHbkAIv3hksu0ZmBbIZqM8NM2dpShEcvzxbk-pXlZIwaBn2LQ47MEDSSP69Cr1U5iy2J8E18vM5rGlWB2evwa6bWhNOlGfHhDgwMVcZ9uW2oppQsisaeNj8cBonK-DkUn0aQa_Gq6lZgLSg0-N9OasLSWXhTZk2nJbtBMFrBwlXCc4WWYtuvSELiYQu2mHu8JwZhfOp2ZKDdQq8cSHM0hdPfr7vRFMkXaTPt_OmPQIbHiIk9oCZ2b3O58ISw7y5vYoMj17EoO9Y6OYPzELULgiLt6A-Q7BN2ToVxbpq1jDFFNg_gPTmPhYpThhj904_S
https://www.brasilemdefesa.com/2013/08/classe-grajau.html
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 3:20:34 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Imperial Marinheiro Class, V-15, Corvette, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
No evidence found this last unit is decommissioned
1 unit in class left as far as I can find, Caboclo V19
First unit commisioned 1955
Netherlands build
JFS2013/2014:
Displ: 926 t standard, 1041 full
Dimensions: 56 x 9.3 x 3.6 mtr
Speed: 16
Complement: 64
Machinery: V15 = 2x Sulzer 6TD36 diesels, 2160 hp(m) (1.59MW) V19 = 2x Volvo Penta D49A-MS diesels. 2394 hp (1.79 MW), 2 shafts
Guns: 1x 3inch(76mm)/50 mk 33, 50 rounds/min to 6.9 nm, 2x or 4x Oerlikon 20mm
Radar: Furuno M1831 I-band + Furuno FR-1505 I-band
Other Sensor:
Other notes
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cv_Imperial_Marinheiro_(V-15)
https://www.marinha.mil.br/corveta-classe-imperial-marinheiro
https://www.marinha.mil.br/corveta-classe-imperial-marinheiro Decommission V15
https://navalphotos.blogspot.com/2011/05/caboclo-v19_24.html
https://warsearcher.com/shipsearcher/brazilian-navy-current-and-retired/brazilian-navy-corvettes-and-patrol-ships/
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2127624
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/brazil/br_es_imperial_marinheiro.htm
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 4:34:16 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<ID>HQ-12 missile DB#123</ID>

<detail>
Missile has range of 40nm but an engagement ceiling of a very meager 15000ft.
This seems extremely unlikely and is also at odds with information provided within the description.
Skimming google, sources can be found which confirm the lateral range and put the ceiling at a more sensible 25-27km (80k-90kft):

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-01-18/thai-army-boosts-air-defense-missile-capability
https://www.deagel.com/Artillery%20Systems/HQ-12/a002444
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-IADS-SAMs.html#mozTocId502105
https://en.missilery.info/missile/hq-12

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 5:10:55 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Piratini Class, P-10, River (Coastal) Patrol, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
6 units in class
First unit commisioned 1971. In 1993 then were transferred from Coastal to Riverrine
Based on USCG Cape class cutter
JFS2013/2014:
Displ: 107 t Standard, 148 t Full
Dimensions mtr: 29 x 5.8 x 2
Speed kts: 17
Range nm:1700 at 12 kts
Complement: 16
Machinery: 4x Cummings VT-12M diesels, 1100 hp (820 kW), 2 shafts
Guns: 1x Oerlikon 20 mm, 2x 12.7 mm MG
Radar: Racal Decca 1070 I-band, Furuno 3600 I-band
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piratini-class_patrol_boat
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Piratini_Class
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Piratini-class_patrol_boat
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/11109.htm
https://militaryleak.com/2019/05/29/brazil-navy-replaces-gun-systems-on-piratini-class-patrol-boat/
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20170313_-_P10_Piratini_-_Marinha_Brasileira_IMG_25969.jpg
https://www.brasilemdefesa.com/2016/06/navio-patrulha-classe-piratini.html
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/P/P085/P085.htm
https://www.defesanet.com.br/toa/noticia/28467/Marinha-realiza-operacao-em-Cameta-%28PA%29-/
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/P/P037/P037.htm
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 5:33:10 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Parnaiba Class, U-17, River Monitor, Brazilian Navy. One of the worlds oldest military ships (2018)</summary>
<detail>
1 unit in class
First unit commisioned 1938
Last evidence I found is from 2018. Not sure if still active for Riverine
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 630 standard, 732 full
Dimensions mtr: 55 x 10.1 x 1.6
Speed kts: 12
Range nm: 1350 at 10 kts
Complement: 74
Machinery: 2 diesels, 2 shafts
Guns:1x US 76 mm, 2x Bofors 40mm/70, 6x Oerlikon 20mm. Not sure if anything had to go for the helodeck
Radar: Racal Decca I-Band, Furuno 3600 I-Band
Helodeck for 1x IH-6B Jet Ranger. Taken from Niteroi
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_monitor_Parna%C3%ADba_(U17)
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/34143k/brazilian_navy_monitor_parna%C3%ADba_u17_it_was/
https://warisboring.com/one-of-the-worlds-oldest-military-ships-is-sailing-down-a-river-in-brazil/
https://xbradtc2.com/2014/12/27/the-river-monitor-parnaiba/
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/small-craft-for-patrol-riverine-and-special-operations-tasks-come-to-the-fore-in-littoral-warfare/4/
</evidence>
with regards GJ

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 7:34:53 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Almirante Gastao Motta, G-23, Tanker / Replenishment Oiler, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
1 unit in class
First unit commisioned 1991
Brazil build
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 4543 standard, 10486 full
Dimensions mtr: 135 x 19 x 7.5
Speed kts: 20
Range nm at kts: 9000 at 15
Complement:121 + 12 spare
Cargo capacity: 5920 tons diesel, 950 tons JP-5, 200 tons dry
Machinery: Diesel-Electric 2x Wartsila 12V32 diesel generators, 11700 hp(m) (8.57 MW) sustained, 1 motor, 1 shaft, Kamewa cp prop
Guns: 2x 12.7 mm MG
Radar: Furuno FR-1760 I-band, Furuno M-1832 I-band
2 Whalers + 2 RHIB's
Fitted for abeam and stern refuelling
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_tanker_Almirante_Gast%C3%A3o_Motta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Brazilian_Navy#/media/File:Alte_Gast%C3%A3o_Motta2009.jpg
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Brazilian_tanker_Almirante_Gast%C3%A3o_Motta
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/ALMIRANTE-GASTAO-MOTTA-IMO-8715558-MMSI-0
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:775598/ship_name:ALMIRANTE%20GASTAO%20MOTTA
https://www.marinha.mil.br/noticias/navio-tanque-almirante-gastao-motta-realiza-transferencia-de-oleo-no-mar
https://tecnodefesa.com.br/um-substituto-para-o-navio-tanque-gastao-motta-g-23/
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 7:56:31 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Marajo Class, G-27, Replenishment tanker, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
1 unit in class
First unit commisioned 1969
Brazil build
No evidence of decomission found
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 7620 standard, 15352 full
Dimensions mtr: 134.4 x 19.3 x 7.3
Speed kts: 13
Range nm at kts: 9200 at 13
Complement: 80
Cargo Capacity: 7470 tons fuel
Machinery: 1 Sulzer GRD 68 diesel, 8000 hp(m) (5.88 MW), 1 shaft
Radar: Racal Decca TM 1226C I-band, Racal Decca BT 503 I-Band
Fitted for abeam
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maraj%C3%B3_(G27)
https://u0v052dm9wl3gxo0y3lx0u44wz-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Brazilian-Navy-Navio-Aer%C3%B3dromo-S%C3%A3o-Paulo-A12-e-Navio-Tanque-Maraj%C3%B3-G27.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NT_Maraj%C3%B3_(G-27).jpg
https://nara.getarchive.net/media/the-brazilian-oiler-marajo-g-27-breaks-away-after-conducting-underway-replenishment-be6db6
https://www.brasilemdefesa.com/2016/06/marajo-g-27.html
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/26/2021 8:21:04 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Aratu Class, M-15, MineSweeper, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
5 units in class
First unit commisioned 1970
German build, Schutze class
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 245 standard, 284 full
Dimensions mtr: 47.2 x 7.2 x 2.1
Speed kts: 24
Range nm at kts: 710 at 20
Complement: 32
Machinery: 2 MTU 16V 652 SB80 diesels, 4500 hp(m) (3.3 MW), 2 shafts, 2 Escher-Weiss
Guns: 1 Bofors TY 39 40mm/70, 240 rds/min to 6.5 nm.
Radar: Racal Decca 1070A I-band, Furuno M-1831 I-band
Wooden hull,
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aratu-class_minesweeper
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Aratu_class
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/A/A111/A111.htm
https://www.defesaaereanaval.com.br/naval/operacao-dragao-navios-varredores-operam-com-a-esquadra-no-litoral-do-espirito-santo
https://www.myshiptracking.com/nl/vessels/nv-atalaia-mmsi-710469000-imo-0
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/28/2021 11:45:47 AM

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<summary>F-4K Phantom FG.1 RN carrier capable</summary>
<detail>For Ark Royal 1982 what-if (hypothetical)
</detail>
<evidence>
Already in CWDB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_Phantom_in_UK_service#F-4K_Phantom_FG.1
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/28/2021 3:26:11 PM

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Hi all,

Do you have any plan to add Istanbul (Istif) class frigate of the Turkish navy for DB3K

Thanks in advance

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/01/turkey-launches-the-lead-ship-of-i-class-frigates-istanbul/
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EdtKm6WtkiM/X_Ct2t3esAI/AAAAAAAAR_M/-qTRZDxg8OUGwlw7wbouKRVeR8nPa150wCNcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Turkey%2BIstif.jpg

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/28/2021 6:27:13 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Tritao Class, R-21, Fleet Ocean Tug, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
3 units in class
First unit commisioned 1987
Brazil build
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 832 standard, 1707 full
Dimensions mtr: 55.4 x 11.6 x 3.4
Speed kts: 13
Complement: 44
Machinery: 2 Vilares-Burmeister and Wain Alpha diesels, 2480 hp(m) (1.82 MW), 2 shafts, bow thruster
Guns: 2x Oerlikon 20 mm
Radar: RacalDecca TM 1226C I-Band, 2x Furuno I-Band
Bollard Pull - 23.5 tons
1 unit (Triunfo) has mine laying capacity
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RbAM_Trit%C3%A3o_(R-21).jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/diarioportuario/20694373760
https://lmcshipsandthesea.blogspot.com/2010/04/rebocador-brasileiro-triunfo.html
https://mapio.net/pic/p-1946492/
https://www.marinetraffic.com/pt/ais/details/ships/shipid:775620/mmsi:710434000/imo:0/vessel:RBAM_TRITAO
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=naviosdeguerrabrasileiros&set=a.259569141092503
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=naviosdeguerrabrasileiros&set=a.434455853603830
</evidence>
with regards GJ

Sorry for the misunnderstnading, my bad

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/28/2021 6:49:36 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, Almirante Guilhem Class, R-24, Fleet Ocean Tug, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
2 units in class. Alm Guilhem discomissioned in 2018, Alm Guillobel seems to be decommissioned from Navy in 2019. So total class deactivated.
First unit commisioned 1976, 1981 for the Navy
Japan build. Sumitomo, Uraga.
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 2431 standard, 2779 full
Dimensions mtr: 63.2 x 13.4 x 4.5
Speed kts: 14
Range nm at kts: 10000 at 13
Complement: 40
Machinery: 2 GM EMD 20-645F7B diesels, 7120 hp (5.31 MW) sustained, 2 shatfs, cp props, bow trhuster
Guns: 2x Oerlikon 20 mm (optional)
Radar: Racal Decca I-Band, Furuno I-Band
Bollard Pull - 84 tons
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_Almirante_Guilhem
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/RbAM_Almirante_Guillobel_(R-25)
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/2018/07/30/rebocador-de-alto-mar-almirante-guilhem-encerra-atividades-na-marinha/
https://yt5pm7hpvhl7lt7ywdcobmogwa--www-naval-com-br.translate.goog/ngb/A/A039/A039.htm
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.naval.com.br%2Fblog%2F2018%2F07%2F30%2Frebocador-de-alto-mar-almirante-guilhem-encerra-atividades-na-marinha%2F&anno=2&sandbox=1 (Brazilian Navy images)
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/2015/03/03/rbam-almirante-guillobel-r-25-o-hulk-dos-mares-em-santos/
https://navioscia.blogspot.com/2015/03/rebocador-de-amalmirante-guillobel-r-25.html
https://www.naval.com.br/blog/2019/04/24/baixa-do-servico-ativo-da-armada-do-rbam-almirante-guillobel-r25/
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=nl&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.naval.com.br%2Fblog%2F2019%2F04%2F24%2Fbaixa-do-servico-ativo-da-armada-do-rbam-almirante-guillobel-r25%2F
</evidence>
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/28/2021 7:14:55 PM

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<summary>DB3K 487, EDCG Guarapari Class, L-10, Genral Cargo Landing Craft, Brazilian Navy</summary>
<detail>
4? units in class
First unit commisioned 1978
Brazilian build, LCU 1610
JFS2013/2014:
Displ t.: 208 standard, 398 full
Dimensions mtr: 41 x 8.4 x 2
Speed kts: 11
Range nm at kts: 1200 at 8
Complement: 14
Military lift: 172 tons
Machinery: 2 GM 12V-71 diesels, 874 hp(650 kW) sustained, 2 shaft, cp props
Guns: 3x 12.7 mm MG
Radar: Furuno 3600 I-Band
No evidence found they are out of service
</detail>
<Evidence>
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=naviosdeguerrabrasileiros&set=a.818906845158727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Brazilian_Navy#/media/File:GLAM_MB_IMG_2540_(35460411684).jpg
https://www.naval.com.br/ngb/C/C029/C029.htm
https://www.navysite.de/ships/lcm.htm
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Landing_Craft_Utility#LCU_1610.2C_1627_and_1646
</evidence>
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