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How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 8:06:08 PM   
WraithMagus

 

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Status: offline 		Playing as Allies, Germany sends submarines over to the supply convoys. I send out Arc Royal with some destroys to go sub-hunting. I read that the range on these things is 5 hexes, but I can't attack the subs directly, and just leaving the carriers near the subs does nothing but make the sub reposition to another convoy next turn. How do I even launch planes from carriers at all?
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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 8:12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) assign escorts to convoy lanes;

2) Carriers and destroyers can be placed on convoy lanes. If a sub attacks that convoy, within a 24 (I think) hex range of the carriers and destroyers, a percentage addition to the escort strength for that convoy is added;

3) subs can always be attacked by land-based air;

4) subs can be attacked by carriers or surface ships when they are in shallow/coastal waters.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 8:50:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, how do I attack with carriers at all? I can't click on a target like with land-based aircraft, and there is no "launch planes" button I can find.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 9:46:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		you require at least one OP point to attack.
Within 5 hexes, targets will light up.
Just right click on the target you wish to attack.




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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:07:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		This does not happen for me. I can sail within range of the submarine, but all I get is that I can't occupy enemy hexes.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:12:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Carriers or any fleet cannot occupy the same hex as the enemy.
However, Carriers do not need to be in a hex next to an enemy like other fleets(BB,CA,DD)to attack.
Subs(in fleet mode) and Carriers can attack from a distance of 5 hexes from the enemy.
Stop a couple of hexes away with 1 OP remaining, then right click on the enemy fleet.
Note: Enemy fleets in fleet mode will be able to interdict you on your turn within 5 hexes.


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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:20:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I've been trying. My carriers never have hexes light up to show they can attack anything.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can't attack subs but you should be able to attack other fleets if you have an OP remaining? What's the weather?
(Can't be heavy rain and CV cannot be in raider mode)



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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's clear this turn in the Atlantic. I just have no option to attack submarines, even though the manual says I should have the chance to do so. I even try sailing up along the coast to see if I can bomb some land units, and I can do that, but I have no option to attack submarines.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 10:51:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rules have changed with new sub hunter rule. Direct Sub attack by carriers only exist if enemy sub is placed along a coastal hex. Then any fleet can really attack it. I was trying to answer "how do I attack with carriers at all?"(I misunderstood you, didn't know you were just talking about subs). In open waters a CV unit cannot directly attack a sub. It's like gwgardner said above.






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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/1/2021 11:19:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see. Thank you, then. Until I went and tried out going along the coast to attack some Germans on land, I hadn't seen a chance to attack anything with a carrier at all. (The Germans move their ships out to the Baltic and don't come back within smiting range, so I've lacked a chance to attack surface naval units. The German subs are sadly not dumb enough to beach themselves so I can get free shots on them, either.) I was starting to wonder if carriers only worked for support missions the way that submarines themselves only attack convoys between turns.

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RE: How do you attack submarines? - 2/2/2021 4:40:32 PM   
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I hadn't seen a chance to attack anything with a carrier at all. (The Germans move their ships out to the Baltic and don't come back within smiting range, so I've lacked a chance to attack surface naval units. )


Against surface raiders you can use Pursuit Combat (it sometimes does damage) when range is beyond 1 OP and within 2OP. Just make sure your carriers are protected with BBs, CAs and DDs(to lower it's target profile), just in case the enemy surface fleet is not in raider mode.


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