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Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 3:22:33 PM

davidachamberlain

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In the attached save game file, the optional rule for 9.6.1 (Limited Overseas Supply is OFF), but units in Formosa appear to still be in supply even though there is only a convoy. If the optional rule was ON, then, that would be correct, but since it is OFF, the Japanese units on that island should be out of supply.

I believe that there is a coding conflict that does not properly enforce this rule when it is OFF. Note that this is not consistent with it sometimes working correctly (out of supply) and sometimes incorrectly (in supply).

Dave

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 3:43:52 PM

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Yes. Looks like a bug to me as well.

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 3:47:21 PM

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No bug:

RAW:

You cannot trace a supply path into a sea area that contains:
� an enemy CV, SCS or aircraft unit with an air-to-sea factor;
� unless it also contains a surface naval unit (...)

Convoys are surface naval units (but not SCS)...

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 3:52:21 PM

Orm

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Thank you, Centuur.

I don't know if I ever played this rule wrong. But I sure remembered it wrong.

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 5:17:24 PM

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I know that I never played this rule wrong, because I have always used the limited overseas supply optional rule. However, if I had used this rule, I would have gotten it wrong.

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 7:43:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

No bug:

RAW:

You cannot trace a supply path into a sea area that contains:
� an enemy CV, SCS or aircraft unit with an air-to-sea factor;
� unless it also contains a surface naval unit (...)

Convoys are surface naval units (but not SCS)...

Dont knbow if I get it right but shouldnt this mean that David is right and it is a bug?

Convoys are not SCSs so the JA should have an SCS, CV, NAV, to get supply, but they dont so shouldnt they be OOS?

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RE: Bug in Optional Supply Rules - 9.6.1 - 2/15/2021 10:09:09 PM

Courtenay

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

No bug:

RAW:

You cannot trace a supply path into a sea area that contains:
� an enemy CV, SCS or aircraft unit with an air-to-sea factor;
� unless it also contains a surface naval unit (...)

Convoys are surface naval units (but not SCS)...

Dont knbow if I get it right but shouldnt this mean that David is right and it is a bug?

Convoys are not SCSs so the JA should have an SCS, CV, NAV, to get supply, but they dont so shouldnt they be OOS?

No. The rule does not say "SCS". It says "surface naval units". Those are two different things. Anything that floats on top of the water -- CVs, SCS, TRS, AMPHs, and CPs -- is a surface naval unit. Only an SCS is an SCS. I had missed that distinction, but Centaur is correct.

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