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Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 9:05:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The advantage of bringing a boardgame to a digital version is that all CRT resolution tables or LOS calculation is done for you. As such, did you introduce fog of war?

Meaning if our units do not have an LOS on an enemy unit, this enemy unit won't appear.

This is adding a lot of tactical depth imo.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 3:54:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The game should not be seen as a simulation but as a boardgame. In short, forget ASL and welcome to the world of Valor & Victory boardgame.
No Fog of War.
I know, it can seem frustrating at first but you quickly forget because going headlong comes at a high price and you have to build a progression plan to win.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 6:02:12 PM   
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The game should not be seen as a simulation but as a boardgame. In short, forget ASL and welcome to the world of Valor & Victory boardgame.
No Fog of War.
I know, it can seem frustrating at first but you quickly forget because going headlong comes at a high price and you have to build a progression plan to win.


Do you know for sure that there will be no fog of war in the computer version? Are you testing the game? If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 6:11:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rico21

The game should not be seen as a simulation but as a boardgame. In short, forget ASL and welcome to the world of Valor & Victory boardgame.
No Fog of War.
I know, it can seem frustrating at first but you quickly forget because going headlong comes at a high price and you have to build a progression plan to win.


Do you know for sure that there will be no fog of war in the computer version? Are you testing the game? If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

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Do you know for sure that there will be no fog of war in the computer version? Are you testing the game?


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RE: Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 6:14:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rico21

The game should not be seen as a simulation but as a boardgame. In short, forget ASL and welcome to the world of Valor & Victory boardgame.
No Fog of War.
I know, it can seem frustrating at first but you quickly forget because going headlong comes at a high price and you have to build a progression plan to win.


Do you know for sure that there will be no fog of war in the computer version? Are you testing the game? If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

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If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

Tactical games are my passion and you can believe me when I tell you that you are going to deprive yourself of a high intensity tactical game.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/21/2021 6:22:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: z1812

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ORIGINAL: rico21

The game should not be seen as a simulation but as a boardgame. In short, forget ASL and welcome to the world of Valor & Victory boardgame.
No Fog of War.
I know, it can seem frustrating at first but you quickly forget because going headlong comes at a high price and you have to build a progression plan to win.


Do you know for sure that there will be no fog of war in the computer version? Are you testing the game? If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

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If there is no fog of war I will not be buying it.

Tactical games are my passion and you can believe me when I tell you that you are going to deprive yourself of a high intensity tactical game.


Each to their own. For me if a wargame has no FOW, then it lacks the kind of intensity that surprise and tension supplies.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 2:47:43 PM   
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The advantage of bringing a boardgame to a digital version is that all CRT resolution tables or LOS calculation is done for you. As such, did you introduce fog of war?


Interested in the response from the developers, yobowargames. Yes, V&V was a boardgame but this is a computer wargame where various degrees of FOW can and should be implemented. As game options. Either upon release or later as a game enhancement.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 3:18:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fog of war is not implemented in the boardgame and I do not believe the developer will be introducing it, i.e. changing the rules of the game. The intention is to build upon the board game (which is alive and ongoing) and translate it to the digital world.

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Yes, V&V was a boardgame but this is a computer wargame where various degrees of FOW can and should be implemented. As game options. Either upon release or later as a game enhancement.


"Can and should" is a relative term - for you, perhaps. For me? Not at all, the game does not need this, it is not intended as a simulation of the surprises of war at such a granular level. Many many many wargames do not have Fog of war, especially the board wargames. There are a few exceptions, for instance the block wargames (Sekigahara, Hammer of the Scots etc.) or games like Stories: Red Storm and others.


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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 5:16:46 PM   
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The intention is to build upon the board game (which is alive and ongoing) and translate it to the digital world.


"To build upon" means some additional enhancements can and should be considered for the digital version, like AI for a computer opponent; else, you can play V&V on Vassal and be happy about it. And again, game options. That means you can choose to not enable any game options that you do not care for. You can do what you want.

And you are not yobowargames responding to customer requests for FOW. Again, we're interested in learning what the developers have to say. Their official response will determine if some customers buy the game despite no FOW or don't buy the game for lack of FOW game options.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 5:19:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have thought seriously about putting FOW in the game. For now, it's not in but I have it on the feature request list. I always knew this would be a request from some players.

My thoughts are to make it an optional option.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 6:39:17 PM   
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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 7:10:40 PM   
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I have thought seriously about putting FOW in the game. For now, it's not in but I have it on the feature request list. I always knew this would be a request from some players.

My thoughts are to make it an optional option.



Making it optional sounds like a good decision to me. Everybody happy.

Will there be an AI upon release?

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/22/2021 7:26:54 PM   
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I have thought seriously about putting FOW in the game. For now, it's not in but I have it on the feature request list. I always knew this would be a request from some players.

My thoughts are to make it an optional option.


Great!

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/23/2021 1:03:27 AM   
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RE: Fog of War? - 2/23/2021 1:17:22 AM   
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Yes, there will be AI. Likely that will be the main focus of Beta is to improve AI and scenario balance.


Excellent!

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/23/2021 3:00:29 PM   
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I have thought seriously about putting FOW in the game. For now, it's not in but I have it on the feature request list. I always knew this would be a request from some players.

My thoughts are to make it an optional option...

Yes, there will be AI. Likely that will be the main focus of Beta is to improve AI and scenario balance.


Thank you!

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/24/2021 12:52:21 AM   
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RE: Fog of War? - 2/24/2021 3:08:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I on the other hand strongly disagree with FOW. It radically changes the flow of the game. If it will be introduced in custom scenarios, sure...

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/24/2021 3:46:12 AM   
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I on the other hand strongly disagree with FOW. It radically changes the flow of the game. If it will be introduced in custom scenarios, sure...


Well, this is purely speculation, mind you, but if it were to be added, I can see it being an option.

The questions we'd have to answer would be regarding the impact on the AI, and balance in official scenarios.

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/24/2021 9:41:12 PM   
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I on the other hand strongly disagree with FOW. It radically changes the flow of the game. If it will be introduced in custom scenarios, sure...


Off topic but is your corps icon from Summer Lightning boardgame?

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RE: Fog of War? - 2/24/2021 10:01:16 PM   
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Off topic but is your corps icon from Summer Lightning boardgame?

It is! I am Slovak, so that is the sole reason why I chose it :) Never played the game.

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RE: Fog of War? - 3/13/2021 6:48:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		From someone who hasn't played V&V as a boardgame I am glad you are considering an optional FOW and that AI will be implemented. I enjoyed TOTH and lately the Lock & Load Tactical Digital games, and I will certainly be interested in buying the Matrix V&V game. I hope there will be a decent AI and multiplayer both.

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RE: Fog of War? - 4/10/2021 6:46:05 AM   
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