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GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 5:20:50 AM

ssiviour

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So latest patch 4.2.2 states fixed a problem placing CBV on Map

I Have done a walk thru of a game we have just got to the EOT phases for S/O 39 to plan out my builds. During the turn Amsterdam was captured by Germany.

I Have been able to build the Japanese Nanking and 3 French CBV. The Nanking Mil was able to be placed on the map next Reinforcement Phase, so all good there.

I did notice that Building 0 cost CBV did not affect Gearing limits at all. I am not sure if this is correct, I will note that building 0 cost CV Planes does increase gearing limits, so to me same same?

Germany only had the Amsterdam GAR available to be built. The Vienna and Slovak Mils are still showing as Future Force Pool Addition when looking up units in game. Is this correct, and if so what are the triggers for entering the German Force Pool?

Could someone please clarify this as I have 2 other games where we have also just reached, or just about to reach, S/O 39 EOT.

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 6:47:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ssiviour

I did notice that Building 0 cost CBV did not affect Gearing limits at all. I am not sure if this is correct,

This is correct.

Cut from RAC: 22.4.8 City based volunteers
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They are free the first time they are purchased and do not count for gearing limits.

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 6:51:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ssiviour

So latest patch 4.2.2 states fixed a problem placing CBV on Map

Germany only had the Amsterdam GAR available to be built. The Vienna and Slovak Mils are still showing as Future Force Pool Addition when looking up units in game. Is this correct, and if so what are the triggers for entering the German Force Pool?

This is not correct. The Vienna, and Slovak CBV should be available from the start. However, bug fixes that affects force pool changes are often only implemented in games started after the fix was implemented. Not sure how this can be fixed other than by editing.

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 6:55:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: ssiviour

So latest patch 4.2.2 states fixed a problem placing CBV on Map

I Have been able to build the Japanese Nanking and 3 French CBV. The Nanking Mil was able to be placed on the map next Reinforcement Phase, so all good there.

I suspect that the 3 French CBV being available is a bug. I think they should only be available after Free France is created. I think Paul comfirmed it in this thread. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4959972

Not sure on how to handle this.

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 10:59:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

quote:

ORIGINAL: ssiviour

So latest patch 4.2.2 states fixed a problem placing CBV on Map

I Have been able to build the Japanese Nanking and 3 French CBV. The Nanking Mil was able to be placed on the map next Reinforcement Phase, so all good there.

I suspect that the 3 French CBV being available is a bug. I think they should only be available after Free France is created. I think Paul comfirmed it in this thread. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4959972

Not sure on how to handle this.

I have read the thread and unit descriptions, some would be Vichy units, some not, so Vichy Creation would be the catalyst, not necessarily Free France.

I am not sure how to handle this either, I was hoping there would be a fix before this point. The choice is simple, either the file is edited or we "turn off" this optional. If it is not working for one power, it's not balanced to have it working for others.

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 11:15:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: ssiviour

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: ssiviour

So latest patch 4.2.2 states fixed a problem placing CBV on Map

I Have been able to build the Japanese Nanking and 3 French CBV. The Nanking Mil was able to be placed on the map next Reinforcement Phase, so all good there.

I suspect that the 3 French CBV being available is a bug. I think they should only be available after Free France is created. I think Paul comfirmed it in this thread. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4959972

Not sure on how to handle this.

I have read the thread and unit descriptions, some would be Vichy units, some not, so Vichy Creation would be the catalyst, not necessarily Free France.

I am not sure how to handle this either, I was hoping there would be a fix before this point. The choice is simple, either the file is edited or we "turn off" this optional. If it is not working for one power, it's not balanced to have it working for others.

I think the French CBV counters are actually Free French units, and not French. Hence they can only be Free French. Never Vichy French. But I asked to make sure.

Edit: Unit descriptions has nothing at all to do with the actual units. It is just an attempt to give some historical flavour.

Cut from RAC:
22.4.8 City based volunteers
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[Clarification. The Free French city based volunteers are available to Free France if it exists. If Free France does
not exist (for any reason) but France itself exists after having been completely or incompletely conquered, then these
CBV units are available to France - May 11, 2007.]

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RE: GERMAN CBV & CBV Gearing Limits - 2/23/2021 1:22:59 PM

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If this is your belief, simply place the units on map and do not move them. The French can always move them if they get in the way of Axis units. After Vichy, they will either go into FF force pool anyhow or remain on map as FF units. I think.

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