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ORIGINAL: Maallon

The first Corsair Model F4U-1 that you get is not carrier capable. Only the successor Models, like the F4U-1A, are.
Basically your Aircraft Carrier acts like an AKV for these Corsairs at the moment, with the notable difference that you can transfer them to another base by air or onto another carrier in the same hex.(see Manual 7.0.1.1.1)
But they cannot fly any sorties.

Not entirely sure what the jump of the aircraft capacity is about though, but it has likely something to do with this.

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ORIGINAL: Evoken

Nevermind ambassador replied before me :D

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

The first Corsair Model F4U-1 that you get is not carrier capable. Only the successor Models, like the F4U-1A, are.
Basically your Aircraft Carrier acts like an AKV for these Corsairs at the moment, with the notable difference that you can transfer them to another base by air or onto another carrier in the same hex.(see Manual 7.0.1.1.1)
But they cannot fly any sorties.

Not entirely sure what the jump of the aircraft capacity is about though, but it has likely something to do with this.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

The first Corsair Model F4U-1 that you get is not carrier capable. Only the successor Models, like the F4U-1A, are.
Basically your Aircraft Carrier acts like an AKV for these Corsairs at the moment, with the notable difference that you can transfer them to another base by air or onto another carrier in the same hex.(see Manual 7.0.1.1.1)
But they cannot fly any sorties.

Not entirely sure what the jump of the aircraft capacity is about though, but it has likely something to do with this.

The F4U-1 should not be able to transfer to another carrier by air because they have no tail hook to make the landing. They can launch from a carrier OK but need a crane to get loaded on one. I doubt that a CV to CV transfer by crane is doable, even in the calmest seas! Fly them off to an air base ASAP, or if they cannot launch because of overstacking penalties, get to a base where they can be craned off. If the port is too small to dock the carrier you should be able to disband it and then transfer the aircraft off by crane (Transfer to Base option).

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

The first Corsair Model F4U-1 that you get is not carrier capable. Only the successor Models, like the F4U-1A, are.
Basically your Aircraft Carrier acts like an AKV for these Corsairs at the moment, with the notable difference that you can transfer them to another base by air or onto another carrier in the same hex.(see Manual 7.0.1.1.1)
But they cannot fly any sorties.

Not entirely sure what the jump of the aircraft capacity is about though, but it has likely something to do with this.

The F4U-1 should not be able to transfer to another carrier by air because they have no tail hook to make the landing. They can launch from a carrier OK but need a crane to get loaded on one. I doubt that a CV to CV transfer by crane is doable, even in the calmest seas! Fly them off to an air base ASAP, or if they cannot launch because of overstacking penalties, get to a base where they can be craned off. If the port is too small to dock the carrier you should be able to disband it and then transfer the aircraft off by crane (Transfer to Base option).

It is written in the manual that it is possible to transfer them from CV to CV by Crane.(7.0.1.1.1)

I am no expert on this topic but I would generally tend to agree with you that in real life this would be very difficult to pull off, but it seems to be possible in the game.

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

My hand is up, but only because someone posted in an AAR about the problem just before I got to the game date where the F4U-1s arrive.

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

I don't think I've done it in AE.

I have another comment for Hano - the squadron named VRF-1F is a replenishment squadron, that, based on land, or on a CVE in a replenishment TF, provides new aircraft (in working condition) to carriers at sea.

If I were you I would

- fly VRF-1F off the Hornet for use elsewhere,

- downgrade VMF-112 to carrier capable F4F

- and put either 2 more 18 machine VMFs, or a VF with 36 to 49 machines maximum, on board.

That will give you a carrier with between 90 and 103 fighters on it, which seems to what you are aiming for.

Notes:

You can have up to 5 air groups on a CV & still operate aircraft.

You can over fill a carrier to 115% of capacity, and still operate aircraft.

However:

When a carrier gets damaged/sunk, fragments of its air groups will land on other carriers if possible.

IF you already have 5 groups, they can't use Hornet as an emergency deck.

Further, if you have overfilled your CV to near 115% capacity, then any fragment that does land aboard might tip over the maximum and cause a cessation of air operations.

Last, but not least, do not put reserve aircraft in carrier groups if the total amount of machines, including the reserves, exceeds 115% of capacity. There will be times when machines are in repair/maintenance, and the reserves are called in to use - at which point they will all count against carrier capacity.

My suggestion would be to find some of the VMFs that have finished their schedule resizes, and put 3 of those on board, resize them to 32 machines each, for a total of 96 aircraft, well within capacity + 115%, and with a little space (2 groups, 7 machines) for fragments if needed. Alternatively you could ship 7 more fighters as reserves spread amongst the three groups. That takes you to capacity, but in the event there are fragments looking for a deck, you will likely have lost some fighters.

Edit - once an airgroup has completed any scenario programed size changes, then if sent on board a carrier, you can resize the group to whatever number you want - up to the maximum being the carrier's capacity. In theory, if you have one VMF that qualifies, you could upsize it to 90. If you are playing the AI, he won't complain.

That resize only works in a major port (7 + 20,000k supplies, IIRC), and is achieved by issuing the resize instruction in the airgroup screen and then disbanding the carrier TF into port. Also, if you just leave the carrier TF docked for a few days it might sort itself out.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

My hand is up, but only because someone posted in an AAR about the problem just before I got to the game date where the F4U-1s arrive.

+1

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ORIGINAL: CV10

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Show of hands: How many players have not made the mistake of putting those Corsairs on carriers? I don't see any hands, must be everybody.

My hand is up, but only because someone posted in an AAR about the problem just before I got to the game date where the F4U-1s arrive.

+1

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ORIGINAL: Moltrey

I just remember reading when I was younger that the Navy didn't rate the Corsair qualified for carrier ops and landings until the later A model addressed the shortcomings of the original.
Seem to recall they were nervous about the lack of forward vision afforded the pilots and the landing gear. So, the Marines got them. Probably for the best really, they made a big difference at a crucial time.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

You should see a C-130 landing then taking off from an aircraft carrier!

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The crew successfully negotiated 29 touch-and-go landings, 21 unarrested full-stop landings, and 21 unassisted takeoffs at gross weights of 85,000 pounds up to 121,000 pounds. At 85,000 pounds, the KC-130F came to a complete stop within 267 feet, about twice the aircraft’s wing span! The Navy was delighted to discover that even with a maximum payload, the plane used only 745 feet for takeoff and 460 feet for landing roll.

From the accumulated test data, the Navy concluded that with the C-130 Hercules, it would be possible to lift 25,000 pounds of cargo 2,500 miles and land it on a carrier. Even so, the idea was considered a bit too risky for the C-130 and the Navy elected to use a smaller COD aircraft. For his effort, the Navy awarded Flatley the Distinguished Flying Cross.

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The Navy discovered that even with a maximum payload, the plane used only 745 feet of flight deck for takeoff and 460 feet for landing. These achievements were confirmed by Lockheed’s Ted Limmer, who checked out fighter pilot Flatley in the C-130 and stayed on for some of the initial touch-and-go and full-stop landings. “The last landing I participated in, we touched down about 150 feet from the end, stopped in 270 feet more and launched from that position, using what was left of the deck. We still had a couple hundred feet left when we lifted off.”

The plane’s wingspan cleared the Forrestal’s flight deck “island” control tower by just under 15 feet as the plane roared down the deck on a specially painted line.

As explained by Dabney, Lockheed’s chief engineer, Art E. Flock was aboard the USS Forrestal to observe the testing. “The sea was pretty big that day. I was up on the captain’s bridge. I watched a man on the ship’s bow as that bow must have gone up and down 30 feet.”

The speed of the ship was increased 10 knots to reduce yaw motion and to reduce wind direction: in this way, when the plane landed, it had a 40 to 50 kts wind on the nose. “That airplane stopped right opposite the captain’s bridge,” recalled Flock. “There was cheering and laughing. There on the side of the fuselage, a big sign had been painted on that said, “LOOK MA, NO HOOK.”

The analysis of data collected by the U.S. Navy during the tests highlighted that the C-130 Hercules could carry 25,000 pounds of freight, fly for 2,500 miles and eventually land on a carrier. However, the procedure was considered a bit too risky for the C-130 and the Navy decided to use a smaller COD aircraft. For his effort, the Navy awarded Flatley the Distinguished Flying Cross.

In the video below you can see the trials conducted by the Hercules on the USS Forrestal and described in the article.

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American aircraft, in the main, had good visibility. The Corsair, unfortunately, wasn't one of those aeroplanes.