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The Suez Canal is blocked - 3/25/2021 8:29:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never traversed Suez, not even when I was in the Navy, but I didn't believe that a single ship could totally block it:



Valiant and vigorous efforts to move her are underway:



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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 8:31:58 PM   
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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 9:01:49 PM   
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I never traversed Suez, not even when I was in the Navy, but I didn't believe that a single ship could totally block it:




Seriously, boss, I can have this baby dug out in one hour, maybe two....

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 9:16:42 PM   
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I never traversed Suez, not even when I was in the Navy, but I didn't believe that a single ship could totally block it:




Seriously, boss, I can have this baby dug out in one hour, maybe two....

I'm starting to realise where the captain of that ship is...

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 10:34:58 PM   
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Is it common?

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 10:36:19 PM   
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Of course there's no obstruction that can't be removed with a well-placed and appropriately-sized nuke.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 10:52:49 PM   
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I should actually know better, but, dang, it looks thin even for just one lane traffic let alone expecting to pass another vessel. I'm surprised this is not common.

Is it common?


Probably not to this degree. At the heart of this dilemma is the ship’s massive scale. Container vessels have nearly doubled in size in the past decade as global trade has expanded, making the job of moving such ships much harder when they do get stuck.

Even while key routes, including the Suez Canal, have been widened and deepened over the years to accommodate these megasize vessels, the work to dig them out after they get stuck takes enormous power. Such occurrences could become more common as ships get bigger and narrow waterways become more congested.

I would expect tankers and ships that round the Cape of Good Hope to see an uptick in bookings.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:01:06 PM   
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I should actually know better, but, dang, it looks thin even for just one lane traffic let alone expecting to pass another vessel. I'm surprised this is not common.

Is it common?

Color me surprised (and ignorant), but I never thought that something like this could happen. And, AFAIK, it never happened before.

$10 billions of commerce cross Suez every day. I can't imagine how colossal the pile up of ships must be down there (even if I guess that by now the arriving ones are being re-routed... uhm... around Africa).

Edit: No need to "imagine" these days:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:31.5/centery:30.2/zoom:6

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:05:10 PM   
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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:13:07 PM   
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$10 billions of commerce cross Suez every day. I can't imagine how colossal the pile up of ships must be down there (even if I guess that by now the arriving ones are being re-routed... uhm... around Africa).


Hmmm. I imagine a lot of Somali Pirates will be topping up their fuel tanks and polishing their RPGs.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:26:59 PM   
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Not a google view but you can see the traffic piling up at the canal.




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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:39:19 PM   
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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:43:10 PM   
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$10 billions of commerce cross Suez every day. I can't imagine how colossal the pile up of ships must be down there (even if I guess that by now the arriving ones are being re-routed... uhm... around Africa).


Hmmm. I imagine a lot of Somali Pirates will be topping up their fuel tanks and polishing their RPGs.

No problems: we will just send an international task force down there and... Oh... wait...

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		That looks wild. I've been through the Suez Canal a few times.

I can remember in 1981 seeing destroyed armor along the way side but in 1983 it seemed much more tidy. Perhaps it was my viewing times Machinist's Mates don't get too much time topside.

The crew manning fire hoses to keep the locals off was always mandatory for smaller naval vessels...

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:57:12 PM   
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It's starting to sound increasingly like they may need to offload some of the containers onboard to free the ship.

Of course there's no obstruction that can't be removed with a well-placed and appropriately-sized nuke.


You don't even have to be that accurate, close may be just as good as a direct hit.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/25/2021 11:59:50 PM   
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This is the prelude to invasion.


In that thread about helping the Italian military during World War II, I suggested that if Italy had plans for entering the war, having a ship or two to block the channel should have been planned.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 12:47:38 AM   
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This is the prelude to invasion.


In that thread about helping the Italian military during World War II, I suggested that if Italy had plans for entering the war, having a ship or two to block the channel should have been planned.

When Italy entered the war, they didn't even planned to have plans...

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 12:51:30 AM   
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Of course there's no obstruction that can't be removed with a well-placed and appropriately-sized nuke.

Back in the day we used to say "If WWIII breaks out, the Suez Canal is not a place you want to find yourself..."

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 1:03:19 AM   
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Back in the day we used to say "If WWIII breaks out, the Suez Canal is not a place you want to find yourself..."


Actually, if war breaks out period, the Suez Canal is not a place you want to find yourself. Witness the dilemma of the Yellow Fleet.

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Between 1967 and 1975, fifteen ships were trapped in the Suez Canal after the Six-Day War between Israel and Egypt. The ships became known as the Yellow Fleet because of their appearance from desert sand swept onboard.

During the war, Egypt blocked both ends of the canal to prevent its use by Israel. Scuttled ships, sea mines, and other debris continued to block transport through the canal until the wake of the Yom Kippur War, after which the blockade was lifted. A 1974 clearance operation enabled the ships to leave, after eight years of being stranded.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fleet

In early 1975, the Suez Canal was once again opened for international transport, and on 24 May 1975, the German ships Münsterland and Nordwind finally reached Hamburg port, cheered by more than 30,000 spectators. They were reportedly the only ships to have returned to their home port under their own power. For the Münsterland this was the end of a voyage to Australia which had lasted eight years, three months and five days

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 2:19:20 AM   
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A colossal container ship that ran aground in the Suez Canal on Tuesday has ensnarled one of the world's busiest shipping lanes in a marine traffic jam.

Two days later, more than 100 container ships are still waiting at each end of the canal as tug boats and dredgers struggle to free the Ever Given, which weighs 200,000 metric tons and stretches 1,300 feet long.
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a35925244/suez-canal-blocked-ever-given-ship-stuck/

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 10:33:31 AM   
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How That Massive Ship Got Stuck in the Suez Canal—and Why Nobody Can Get It Out
Hey, YOU try dislodging something that weighs 200,000 metric tons.
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A colossal container ship that ran aground in the Suez Canal on Tuesday has ensnarled one of the world's busiest shipping lanes in a marine traffic jam.

Two days later, more than 100 container ships are still waiting at each end of the canal as tug boats and dredgers struggle to free the Ever Given, which weighs 200,000 metric tons and stretches 1,300 feet long.
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a35925244/suez-canal-blocked-ever-given-ship-stuck/

From what I read it seems that this kind of accident already happened twice in the last few years, even if not of this magnitude.

Maybe I'm naive, but I thought that a ship should be "certified" to cross Suez. With bigger and bigger ships going around and no modernization of the Canal itself, this kind of SNAFU is bound to happen again.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 11:30:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well if think about it, put a big ship through there, like something bigger than this one and use explosive to block it for strategic point (sunk of course). I mean if i was the enemy, i would try something like this.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 11:56:39 AM   
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Well if think about it, put a big ship through there, like something bigger than this one and use explosive to block it for strategic point (sunk of course). I mean if i was the enemy, i would try something like this.

That actually was the opening move for the Japanese in "The Great Pacific War" by H.C Bywater: blocking the Panama Canal by exploding a freighter full of explosives.

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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 2:30:21 PM   
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Well if think about it, put a big ship through there, like something bigger than this one and use explosive to block it for strategic point (sunk of course). I mean if i was the enemy, i would try something like this.

That actually was the opening move for the Japanese in "The Great Pacific War" by H.C Bywater: blocking the Panama Canal by exploding a freighter full of explosives.


I was wondering if CCP or the Russia are planning anything like this, things are getting ugly out there now and dont wanna be friends anymore.

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RE: The Suez Canal is blocked - 3/26/2021 3:47:26 PM   
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That's a big boat. Going to be lots of unhappy customers waiting for their stuff. Starting to look like downtown New York City during rush hour.





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RE: The Suez Canal is blocked - 3/26/2021 4:11:54 PM   
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I understand they are going to rename it to Ever Stuck.

That's a big boat. Going to be lots of unhappy customers waiting for their stuff. Starting to look like downtown New York City during rush hour.






Glad i dont live down there, gotta be hell living or even get around in that hell hole!

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RE: The Suez Canal is blocked - 3/26/2021 4:44:44 PM   
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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 7:08:40 PM   
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RE: The Suez Channel is blocked - 3/26/2021 8:07:17 PM   
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In Turtledove's the "Bombs Away" trilogy, the Soviets block both Panama and Suez through two A-bombs loaded on unsuspecting neutral (Greek, I think) freighters,


Yeah i can imagine a russia sub shoot a nuke torpedo in that canal, you can get a free car wash, if you get there in time.

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