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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

I also noticed that my Artillery unit had Max Shells 5 (7). I have set the maximum number of shells at 5. Presumably the 7 is for the number of shells with Logistics Tech level 2 added, is it? I am a bit confused about the (7) because I can only ever fire 5 shells at once.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Rather than modifying the unit stats, have you considered increasing the defensive bonus that trenches provide?

To do this go to Campaign -> Edit Defense Bonus Data -> Fortification (at the bottom)

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Alternatively, some of the automatic upgrade research categories (any on the right hand side of the research table in the game) could be set to increase units' defensive stats, though these would apply whether or not the unit is entrenched, e.g. Infantry Warfare research could increase their defensive stats by 0.5 per level.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

I also noticed that my Artillery unit had Max Shells 5 (7). I have set the maximum number of shells at 5. Presumably the 7 is for the number of shells with Logistics Tech level 2 added, is it? I am a bit confused about the (7) because I can only ever fire 5 shells at once.

You are right about the meaning of the 5/7.

I'm a bit confused about the bit about not being able to fire off more than 5 shells, as I've just run some tests using the 1917 Fate of Nations campaign. I cycled through a few turns without doing anything in Hotseat mode so that the German guns in Flanders reached their 7 shell max, and was able to fire them all off.

I also tried the same with the British artillery against the Ottomans in Egypt.

This included de-selecting the artillery, selecting something else, and then selecting them again to continue firing.

Do you want to give that a go to check if it works the same for you in Fate of Nations, and if it contrasts with the campaign you're working on or not?

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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Rather than modifying the unit stats, have you considered increasing the defensive bonus that trenches provide?

To do this go to Campaign -> Edit Defense Bonus Data -> Fortification (at the bottom)

So I go to Terrain Resource Defence Bonus, Fortifications, and it has a column headed "Set Values" and then the first line is Max Entrench with the value set at 1 (the range available goes from minus 1 to +8). What does this value mean/do? If I increase it to 2 would that necessitate adjusting other values in that column too to maintain some sort of coherence?

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Alternatively, some of the automatic upgrade research categories (any on the right hand side of the research table in the game) could be set to increase units' defensive stats, though these would apply whether or not the unit is entrenched, e.g. Infantry Warfare research could increase their defensive stats by 0.5 per level.

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I can see no way to do this. Please advise.

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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

Sorry Bill. I think this was a false alarm. I have just checked this and the Artillery shells in the vanilla game are shown as 5(7) and in my mod are shown as 5. This is how it should be.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

When the 1914 campaign begins, any trenches that are dug (except in some resource hexes) have a maximum entrenchment of 1, and this rises with Trench Warfare research.

So if you were to increase this to say 2 then you are increasing the effectiveness of all trenches.

Nothing else necessarily needs to be adjusted, the only way to get to where you want things to be is to adjust, test, adjust again until things are close as they can be to achieving your desired settings.

Note that Trench Warfare research gains are hard coded, so if you do want things to progress throughout the war in a different way you might need to tie in changes with other techs that aren't hard coded, e.g. with the automatic ones.


With the campaign open in the Editor, go to:

Campaign -> Edit Country Data -> Edit Research -> Advanced -> Upgrades -> Automatic Increments

And then play around in there, using the Apply Data button in the bottom right to make any changes apply to as many countries as you want them to.

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ORIGINAL: The Land

This does sound like an interesting experiment! This approach also opens up the potential for a late-game 'stormtroop'-type infantry unit which does de-entrenchment (reflecting infiltration tactics, flamethrowers and the like), which would make a bunch of people very happy.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

The NM loss is on a 1-1 exact ratio to the MPP cost of a unit, so it could be made more important in relation to a country's National Morale by increasing unit costs (and income too), but this would require some significant testing to get right.

Particularly as higher income levels provides more MPPs for research and diplomacy too, which may require changes there too.