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dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 9:10:04 PM   
Zovs


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So this AAR is from my perspective as the Axis player. I have been a beta tester for the last two years and Keitherson reached out on Discord looking for someone from the beta team to play against. So I obliged. I have never played him before and most of my PBEM experience has been against Tyrone and as many who may of know of Tyrone, he is an amazing player. Oh, I did participated in a MP playtest with I think 6-8 of us and took AGS. But that is neither here nor there.

This wont be super fancy from my side, but I'll try to provide some content and screenshots as time allows and to the best of my abilities. I also told Keitherson that he is welcome to view and provide content. I'll be posting 2-4 turns behind our actual game and we both agreed not to share any strategic insides. Yet, I am also open to having this be a helpful aid if possible for new players. Using manual AD for the first turn I think you can get the most out of more so than the AI, but then for the most part I just use AI assist for the air war and tweak it to suit my needs.

A warning, I have a 4k monitor so my screenshots will be quite big, especially the map views. To this end I'll stitch together a large map of the general whole area zoomed out by three (with being zoomed in all the way being zoom level 1, from my perspective) and for the next level zoom in's I'll use the 'y' to just display the name of the formation and hide their other status and cv's.

A precursor, I am doing my best to give Keitherson a great gaming experience I am pretty sure he is even more experienced than I with regards to WitE 1; however, I am also not going to optimize every single move. I have some advantage of playing turn 1 of the CG more times then I care to count over the last 2 years. But I know there are some folks from the WitE scene that would out play me, and of course all my losses in play testing came at the hands of Tyrone, so I may just really suck at this game, lol.


General Overall plan

The overall plan for the air War on Turn 1 is to destroy as much of the VVS as possible. To achieve this I am not over optimizing things. In fact I am only creating 10 AD, 7 of which are GS the rest being GA on D1 only.

The overall plan for the Ground War on Turn 1 is to pocket as many Soviet units as possible while keeping my own losses down. Attempt to secure Riga, Minsk and isolate Lvov. Turn 2 will be the clean up of those pockets. Capture Lvov and be ready to strike the Land Bridge on turns 3-5. Also on Turn 2 to exploit as many holes as possible and to encircle as much as possible in the south. Turn 3 is to close off and destroy and remaining pockets. Reach or encircle Odessa and attempt to reach or encircle Kiev. Turn 4 goal is to capture Smolensk and Kiev and if I have not captured Odessa to take that as well. By turn 5 if all goes as planned strike east...Note since this is an ongoing AAR I don't want to reveal my strategic directions, they most likely will become apparent as we play though the game.

The 10 Air Directives Summary setup:


Turn 1 to follow.


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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 9:32:21 PM   
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Special notes

Air Loss Results from the Air Directives:



As you can see here I believe I have achieved my goal. I did not get 4,000 but achieving 3,325 with these 10 manual created AD is sufficient enough for me. My losses are a little high, but we shall see if this pays off or comes back to haunt me.

This is the air losses from just the border battles (i.e. the easy forts, NKVD and MG/arty units sitting on the border):


Ground results, advances and overall thoughts

Captured Riga, Vilnius, and Minsk. Isolated Brest Litovsk and I think I have shredded both the Western and Northwestern Front.

End of turn overview:



Highlights from this turn:

Captured Minsk and the border encirclements.



AGC encirclements and forward progress.


Losses

Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:




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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 9:43:45 PM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 9:45:24 PM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts

Just to mop up pockets, drive east and create more new pockets. I would like to take Pskov and Smolensk by turn 4. Captured Rovno, Lvov, Stanislav, and Chernovtsy. Eliminated 85% of the pockets I believe.

End of turn overview:


Highlights from this turn:

Almost completed the pocket using Romanians:



Did not close the gap, made some mental errors of judgement here.



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Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:




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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 10:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the AAR Zhovs.
Loved those opening moves, but
Did you delay rail repair by 1 turn for those pockets? The double rail by Kaunas->Minks, the double rail by Brest Litovks->Mink, the rail to Riga

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 11:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		No I cleared all the double rails except for Brest-Litovsk and Lvov on turn 1, cleared those on turn two.

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/9/2021 11:03:07 PM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/10/2021 12:40:09 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/10/2021 1:02:36 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 3:04:48 PM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts

Again to drive east as far as possible, mop up pockets an push towards Pskov and Smolensk.

End of turn overview:


Highlights from this turn:

The drive to Pskov.



The push towards Orsha.



The Mogilev-Podolsky pocket.



Losses

Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:




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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 8:41:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fonts are too big for those corps HQs but you must be able to manage through that.

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 10:04:47 PM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 10:59:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

The fonts are too big for those corps HQs but you must be able to manage through that.


I believe they are "emphasized"! hehehehe

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 11:00:23 PM   
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I'm going to read Keith's AAR on discord as well so unless you both get a lot of turns ahead of the AAR I won't be posting on either thread and risking breaches of Opsec :p. Just to let you know you have a 'silent subscriber' and to wish you good luck!


There is a discord forum with more AAR's?

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 11:35:17 PM   
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There is a discord forum with more AAR's?

Sent you an invite link to your PMs

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/13/2021 11:39:27 PM   
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There is a discord forum with more AAR's?

Sent you an invite link to your PMs


Thank you

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 12:00:18 AM   
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I may set up an AAR there, you can have AARs setup so the other fellow can’t see em.

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 12:13:21 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 12:18:30 AM   
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Is this discord secret?


No. https://discord.gg/AFpYzhpsNs

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 5:10:35 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 10:47:14 AM   
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quote:

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Is this discord secret?


No. https://discord.gg/AFpYzhpsNs


That is not the discord they are talking about. With beta aar etc.

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/14/2021 11:17:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Beethoven1


quote:

ORIGINAL: dudefan

Is this discord secret?


No. https://discord.gg/AFpYzhpsNs


That is not the discord they are talking about. With beta aar etc.



That is the discord we were talking about, and it is the one with my AAR. I was not a part of the beta, I wasn't aware there ever was a separate discord for the beta with other AARs.

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/15/2021 2:30:48 AM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts

Reduced as many of the previous pockets and clamp down on the Mogilev-Podolsky pocket. Capture Pskov if possible and push slowly though to the "Land Bridge" on the road to Smolensk. In the far south push towards Odessa and prepare for the siege.

AGN
18th Army start pushing towards Tallinn.
4th Panzer needs to clear some breathing room and rest.
16th Army start lining up for the advance on Velikie Luki.

AGC
9th Army start moving in to support the 3rd Panzer.
3rd Panzer start driving towards Smolensk.
2nd Panzer support 3rd Panzer's drive towards Smolensk.
4th Army start moving in support of 2nd Panzer.
2nd Army catch up.

AGS
6th Army start heading towards Kiev.
1st Panzer start consolidating and take a rest.
17th Army finish mopping up the pockets and push east.
11th Army mop up any pockets and help the Romanians drive to Odessa.
Romanians drive to Odessa.


End of turn overview:


Highlights from this turn:

Pskov taken.


Pushing towards Smolensk.



Isolating Vinnitsa and reducing the Mogilev-Podolsky pocket.



Losses

Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:



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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/16/2021 9:14:01 PM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts
Its starting to rain this turn, turning a few hexes into mud up in the north and central sector.

AGN
18th Army continue to drive towards Tallinn.
4th Panzer refitting.
16th Army move into positions to assault towards Velikie Luki.

AGC
9th Army moving into positions to support 3rd Panzer and get ready to mop up any pockets.
3rd Panzer refitting.
2nd Panzer pausing for infantry.
4th Army moving in to support 2nd Panzer.
2nd Army moving up to the south of 4th Army.

AGS
6th Army moving into engage towards Kiev.
1st Panzer moved east.
17th Army mopping up the pockets.
11th Army crossing the Dnestr river.
Romanians moving up towards Odessa, slowly.


End of turn overview:



Highlights from this turn:

Pskov area.



Orsha and Mogilev



Mopping up in AGS.



Losses

Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:



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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/22/2021 2:20:55 AM   
Zovs


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Status: offline 		Turn 6 - July 27, 1941

Ground results, advances and overall thoughts

More rain and mud.

AGN
18th Army slowly moving into Estonia.
4th Panzer refitting.
16th Army slowly moving towards Pustoshka and Idritsa.

AGC
9th Army moving towards Vitebsk.
3rd Panzer driving on Smolensk.
2nd Panzer consolidating or refitting.
4th Army moved up to support 2nd Panzer.
2nd Army helping to clear the marshes.

AGS
6th Army pushing towards Kiev.
1st Panzer refitting.
17th Army refitting.
11th Army pushing towards Yuzhny Bug and into Transnistria.
Romanians advanced to Odessa.


End of turn overview:

Highlights from this turn:

18th, 4th Panzer and 16th Army sector:


16th, 9th, 3rd Panzer, 2nd Panzer and 4th Army sector:


6th Army sector:


11th Army and Romanian sector:


Losses

Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:



PS I just sent turn 9 across, need to gather screenshots for turns 7 and 8.

Would it be better to not scale the screenshots? Are they too grainy? Is this still of any interest to anyone?

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/22/2021 7:29:56 AM   
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... Is this still of any interest to anyone?


any game report is of interest (I'd say), even if in providing progress and loss information that can be used in wider discussions

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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/22/2021 7:43:36 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/22/2021 7:48:09 AM   
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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/22/2021 2:04:55 PM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts


More rain and mud.

AGN
18th Army: Pushing towards Tallinn.
4th Panzer: sends XXXIX Mot. Corps to assist 18th Army's drive on Tallinn.
16th Army: pushing towards Velikie Luki.

AGC
9th Army: at Vitebsk doorsteps and moving to relieve 3rd Panzer at Smolensk.
3rd Panzer: pausing outside of Smolensk for supplies and combat prep.
2nd Panzer: pausing in Mogilev while 9th and 4th armies come up.
4th Army: heading towards both Gomel and 2nd Panzer.
2nd Army: swamping in the marshes, slogging up and down.

AGS
6th Army: pressing towards Kiev.
1st Panzer: refitting.
17th Army: refitting.
11th Army: preparing for Odessa.

Axis Minors
Romanians: preparing for Odessa. Romanian Mountain and Cavalry corps refitting.
Hungarians:


Highlights from this turn:


Drive towards Tallinn:


Vitebsk and Smolensk area:


Kiev:


Odessa:



Losses


Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:



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RE: dlazov (Axis) vs Keitherson (Soviets) 1941 CG AAR - 4/26/2021 3:51:52 PM   
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Ground results, advances and overall thoughts


Lots of rain, more light mud and mud.

AGN
18th Army: slowly push to the Narva and clean up Estonia.
4th Panzer: take Tallinn with the XXXXI Mot. Corps., rest the LVI Mot. Corps.
16th Army: continue to grind through towards Velikie Luki.

AGC
9th Army: bring up 9th Army to Smolensk and take Vitebsk.
3rd Panzer: envelop Smolensk from the north and south.
2nd Panzer: help 3rd Panzer via the southern direction.
4th Army: move up and begin engaging the stiffing Soviet line.
2nd Army: clear the Pripyat area.

AGS
6th Army: grind towards Kiev.
1st Panzer: XIV Mot. Corps conduct limited incursion near Korsun and rest the remaining Mot. Corps.
17th Army: continue to refit.
11th Army: XXX Corps along with the Romania's push east while XI and LIV Corps along with 3 Romanian Corps get ready to deal with Odessa.

Axis Minors
Romanians: as outlined above.
Hungarians: are operating between the 1st Panzer and 17th Army.
Slovakians: are operating on the southern edge of 1st Panzer.


Highlights from this turn:

Turn Summary


OOB



Tallinn captured:


AGC: 2nd & 3rd Panzer Groups:


Odessa:



Losses


Ground Losses:


Air Losses:


Destroyed:





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