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Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario Balt... - 5/5/2021 5:34:12 PM   
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Working with the UK Fight Club which is a UK MOD sponsored Wargaming group mostly focused on land ops (Combat Missions SF II, etc)

They are thinking of using CMO to help Army and Joint HQ types understand the Air and Maritime situation in the Baltics. So it's not really a 'Game' type scenario but more of a demonstration.

To that end, you are not going to win (something like a few of the early NF scenarios ) but hopefully walk away with a bit better of an understanding at the end.

This is a demonstration/Introduction scenario built for the UK Fight Club to show the effects of a possible Joint campaign against the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania).
Although this is an unlikely scenario which would immediately draw Russia and NATO into World War Three, it does show how devastatingly quick this transition could be.


Please take a look and offer your thoughts, concerns and comments.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/5/2021 9:37:58 PM   
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Dang... Those SA-21s in the Kaliningrad SAM bastion completely cut off the eastern Baltic states from the rest of NATO airpower. Every tanker and AWACS is already forced out of useful position, and nobody's fired a shot. This is not going to go well...


Edit: terrain's as flat as the proverbial pancake too. Not a hope of sneaking a cruise missile or two in on them.


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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/5/2021 10:03:18 PM   
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And when you add the Bastion SSMs and Iskander SRBMs you had NATO a real nugget to chew on....

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/6/2021 12:22:03 AM   
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Looks like the Kaliningrad SAMs aren't opening fire. Threatening, but not engaging?

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/6/2021 12:24:35 AM   
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Deliberate. The game would be over in about 5 min otherwise


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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/6/2021 12:30:39 AM   
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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/6/2021 2:30:04 PM   
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Nice sequence of events. I managed somehow to get HMS Dragon alive out to the northern coast of Germany and got a bloody nose in the air. I hold the line Minsk Mazowiecki AFB to Malbork AFB to the Patriots at Gdansk. Tankers and AWACS are all alive and the F18s too.

Lost units:
1x DDG 79 Oscar Austin [Arleigh Burke Flight IIA]
1x F 219 Sachsen [Type F124]
4x F-16AM Falcon MLU
3x F-16CJ Blk 52+ Falcon
3x F-35A Lightning II
2x Lynx Mk88A
2x MH-60R Seahawk
4x Mirage 2000-5F

The Mirage especially were a letdown ....


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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/7/2021 8:46:38 PM   
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SITUATION

All indications are that Russia is about to make a move on the Baltic states, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, and possibly parts of Poland. I've been ordered to use NATO forces to contest any Russian moves, and maintain freedom of navigation in the Baltic. Faint hope!

Intel reports indicate there are probably hundreds of Russian aircraft in theatre, and multiple warships based out of Kaliningrad. Kaliningrad itself is wall-to-wall SAMs, and the longer-ranged systems (215 miles!) completely dominate the Baltic, effectively cutting off the Baltic states from the main NATO force to the west.

To face this, I have four modern warships, spread out individually along the length of the Baltic, plus a weaponless Polish frigate patrolling near Gdansk. I do have some good aircraft, including some F-22s and F-35s in Germany, some Eurofighters in Germany and England, and a scattering of F-16s elsewhere. The problem is that I hardly have enough of them; four here, four there, two elsewhere, and not even remotely numerical parity with the Russians. The Baltics themselves are nearly empty; two Eurofighters and four Mirages all alone up in Estonia, and a few Lithuanian F-16s. Almost all my forces are on the wrong side of Kaliningrad to help them out.


PLAN

I'm not sure what I can accomplish, with my forces so small compared to what is arrayed against me, but orders are needed.

Dragon and Roosevelt, my two northern ships, are ordered to steam to form up at flank speed, and then head into the Gulf of Riga together. Their objective is to give long-ranged ABM and SAM cover to Latvia and Estonia. The success of this will be very dependent on how long the Russians wait before overt hostilities begin. My ships have a long way to go before they will be close enough to help.

The Sachsen, off Kaliningrad, and the distant Willemoes, just entering the western Baltic, are also ordered to steam together at flank speed. This means the Sachsen will be headed west, away from the fight, for several hours before she can return to station. Her point defences are very good (lots of RAMs), so hopefully she can fend off any attacks before she is reinforced.

The Polish FF, which has no useful weapons, is ordered to head for the shelter of the SAM batteries near Gdynia. There's nothing useful she can do in this circumstance.

Tankers and other aircraft will be pulled back west, out of range of the Kaliningrad SAMs, except for one tanker which is ordered to head north, to loiter in the mouth of the Gulf of Bothnia, and provide refuelling for fighters operating out of Estonia. It will either refuel in Estonia, or try to sneak back south at low altitude later.

The UK-based fighters and tankers are ordered to launch now, to take up stations over Poland. They have the longest distance to fly, so they need to be underway soonest. One of my F-35s, with its excellent optical sensor suite, is ordered to head for Kaliningrad, and make a recce run along the border. Other planes are put on notice for immediate activation.


LAST MOMENTS OF PEACE

A string of ominous reports start to reach us, of 'accidents', sabotage, and cyber-attacks throughout the theatre.

Our ESM and radar recce confirms the enormous number of SAMs in Kaliningrad, with multiple SA-21 systems dominating the region. There are numerous Russian warships at sea: a pair of patrol boats menacing the Polish frigate, two more very modern patrol craft north of Kaliningrad, and a main group of five more warships operating in between them. This confirms my decision to get the Sachsen out of there. Her limited complement of anti-shipping missiles would never make it through the potent combination of land and ship-based SAMs, and staying to receive the combined attack at 9:1 odds would simply be foolish. For a while it looks like the main task group may be trying to close on the Sachsen, but as the Sachsen continues to retire they turn away and stay near Kaliningrad.

The Sachsen's not the only retirement in progress, and orders are issued to get my remaining support aircraft out of danger. Except for that one lone tanker heading north, all other support aircraft in the SAM threat area are taking off and heading west. The F-35 is reporting artillery and SRBM concentrations along the southern edge of the Kaliningrad enclave, and I'm seeing more Russian fighters in the air.

Then Intel reports that bombers are launching in the Murmansk area. That probably means cruise missiles, and they'll be in range in an hour or so. Orders are given to launch more of our ready fighters in half an hour. We'll still have a reserve of a little over 1/3 on the ground, pending developments, but the rest will be airborne. Intel is reporting yet another 'accident' in Estonia, and this time they say shots have been fired on the ground. Is there any hope of a stand-down?


WAR!

Shortly before 10:00Z, radar reports Su-30s crossing the Kaliningrad border, and heading north into Lithuania. We nervously wait a few minutes, and when it's certain that it's not a navigational error the F-16s from Siauliai move to engage. Burnering in they unleash an AMRAAM salvo, damaging one and killing three of the enemy, for the loss of one of their own. We have been ordered to contest any incursions, and we have done so, firing first. Is this enough to demonstrate our resolve?

The SAMs in Kaliningrad hold their fire, but Russian planes continue to gather. We're seeing eight more headed towards northern Estonia, two more towards the south. Bombers? No, Su-35s. Are the diplomats talking fast enough?

At 10:00Z the Russians engage throughout the theatre, with artillery fire directed at nearby radar stations and border posts, and a salvo of GLCMs and SRBMs targeting installations that are further away. Confused fighting breaks out all over the place, as fighters trade long-ranged shots, and then turn to flee before the incoming missiles arrive. Our fighters spend a lot more time running than shooting, but manage to mostly stay alive. The copious warloads on the Russian fighters (6 x AA-12!) keep forcing us back again and again, before we can get to effective range.

A salvo of anti-shipping missiles is spotted streaking towards the Polish frigate, and despite the best efforts of the pair of nearby Patriot batteries, it is struck and sunk. Two large salvoes of Onyx anti-shipping missiles also head north towards the Dragon and Roosevelt, who are entering the mouth of the Gulf of Riga, but these ships have modern effective SAMs. Barrages of ESSMs and ASTERs (with an occasional SM-2 thrown in) shoot down all the incoming missiles, and I'm very glad I've got the two ships working together. A third salvo won't be a problem, but a fourth or a fifth? That could be more of an issue. Those two are definitely not safe yet. Thankfully, nobody has taken a shot at the lone Sachsen yet, and a flight of four Su-27s that seem to be headed her way are engaged and driven off by Eurofighters.

My F-22s are doing the best of all my planes, since they are able to get cleanly into no-escape range without being fired on first. The first pair swings around the top of Kaliningrad, driving off enemy Su-27s concentrated there, and the second pair wrecks a large formation of Su-24s which was headed north for Siauliai. Getting away can be a problem, especially when all their missiles are gone, and some of them have to flee north at supercruise with more Flankers on their tail. Fortunately, that takes the enemy up towards the Roosevelt. Her orders to provide ABM support have come to nothing, since the Russians have attacked before she could get into position, but now she can use her SM-6s to pick off unwary fighters over a hundred miles away. With the pressure relieved, the F-22s can swing west again, and head back to the tanker and home.

Despite these victories in the air, Russian missiles are slamming into airbases and radar facilities across the region, and there's little I can do to stop them. My fighters are too busy in air-to-air combat to do anti-cruise missile work. Casualties and damage on the ground continue to mount. Thank God that Kaliningrad is still holding fire with its SAMs. There must be some sort of political consideration to not using them yet.


ESTONIA

Estonia's locked in a battle of its own, isolated from the rest of the NATO forces by the Kaliningrad wall, and it's here, closest to Russia, that the heaviest attacks are falling.

The pair of Eurofighters there are locked in a desperate back-and-forth battle with the Su-35s, as each side tries to outrun the other's missiles, while a pair of F-16s arrives from Lithuania, and tries to help out. They eventually manage to get kills, mostly with the long-range Meteor missiles, but the four local Mirages have no such advantage and they achieve very little at first. Finally, after extraordinary contortions, they start to get a few hits as the Su-35s and Fullbacks are whittled away or retire Winchester, and they manage to intercept a raid of Su-24s coming in across the Gulf of Finland. Infuriatingly, the Su-24s start launching their munitions just before our missiles impact, leading to the loss of yet another radar installation, but the majority of them are turned back with damage or shot down.

My Eurofighters are desperately short on gas, and I had hoped to quick-reload them on the base sooner, but incoming cruise missiles and enemy fighters have made that impossible till now. My Mirages, completely out of missiles, are landing anyway. The Eurofighters have grabbed a third of a tank of gas each from the lone tanker, and headed back into the combat with only their short-ranged heat seekers left. Why? Well, we've got 20 Fullbacks incoming from the south-east, 20 Fencers incoming from the north-east, and four Backfires and a few more Fullbacks in the center.

Can two half-gassed fighters with 8 missiles hold off the horde of fifty? Will there be anything left of the airbase where the Mirages are desperately trying to reload? Tune in next time...



SITUATION SO FAR

I've got pretty much everything in the air now. The F-22s are headed home empty, I'm down to my last few missiles in Estonia, the Mirages have just landed, and I'm soon going to have to RTB my Polish F-16s and my initial Eurofighters. My F-35s have used about half their shots. I've got four fresh F-16s and four fresh Eurofighters coming in, and that's it. After that, I'm relying on quick turnaround to bail me out. That might work in Germany / Poland, but it won't help at all in Estonia, which we all know is about to get stomped by that 50 plane attack. Maybe my Mirages can ride out the attack in their shelters? I'm still not sure if I should land the last of the Eurofighters there to attempt to reload, or flee south with them empty.

Kaliningrad is a huge problem, even if it is not currently using its SAMs. (And who's to say it won't open fire soon?) Its fighters prevent me from simply bypassing it, and it can send attack planes north with a solid shield to their south, and little chance for me to interfere. I can see another flight of Su-24s forming up to head north now, and it doesn't look like I can get to them in time. I feel like I've dropped the ball here, and I should have been aggressively working for a way around Kaliningrad sooner. I was worried about large incursions into Poland, which seems unlikely in retrospect (should have read the title!), and held back a good number of planes. I'm going to risk a tanker to drag my last four Eurofighters up the Baltic along the Swedish coast, to hopefully give more relief to the Baltic states. They won't make it in time for Estonia, unfortunately.

I haven't done anything about the Russian navy yet, other than run away from it, but on the other hand I haven't lost any actual fighting ships yet either. I doubt I can do much to them with modest salvoes of Harpoons, given how many SA-21s there are. (Although, if Kaliningrad's holding fire... Hmmm... Maybe I do have the price of admission?) I'm starting to wonder if the proper course of action was to come south with the Roosevelt, and engage with SM-6s?

Very intense so far!

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/7/2021 9:18:07 PM   
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Intense indeed. You're giving the Russians something to think about!

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/8/2021 5:39:19 PM   
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ESTONIA UNDER FIRE

As the wave of Russian aircraft pours into Estonia, I realize that those Backfires in the center aren't headed for the Estonian bases. They're headed for my ships! The first of my two Eurofighters goes diving into the fray, and manages to shoot down two of them, and knock a piece off another, but the two survivors keep coming. A pair of SM-6s come hurtling in, but miss hopelessly, and it takes the second Eurofighter to finally destroy the Backfires. But that's about it for my fighters. One last ASRAAM gets fired at a Fencer, and then the two of them fall back to refuel.

The wave of Russian attackers comes pouring over Estonia, and Tapa Camp, Tallinn, and Amari all get hit hard, with a mix of iron bombs, LGBs, and other PGMs. My bases erupt in a storm of defensive fire, and the heavy MANPADS / SHORADS (Mistrals and Starstreaks) take a vicious bite out of the low-flying attackers, but they can't stop the pounding. I had hoped my Mirages could ride out the attack in the shelters at Amari, but then the base commander telephones apologetically to say sorry, but the hardened shelters were sent out to the cleaners, could you please use these reinforced cardboard hangars instead? Kicking myself for not checking what was there before I landed the planes, I have to watch them get bombed and destroyed ten minutes before they are ready to launch.

At that point I have to accept that it's far too risky to re-arm the Eurofighters in Estonia, and I reluctantly fuel them up and send them back down the Baltic, and all the way home to England.


FURTHER SOUTH

Things aren't going so well in Latvia and Lithuania either.

Another heavy strike of Su-24s is headed for Siauliai, and I've got nothing in place to stop it. A couple of F-35s get around the top of Kaliningrad, but get tangled up in the fighters before they can interfere with the strike, so it's down to the SAM gunners. Once again they try their best, and extract a steep toll, but heavy LGBs tear into the runways and smash base facilities.

My F-16s, returning from attempts to help Estonia, are desperately low on gas. One has no choice but to land at Siauliai just before the raid, and gets shot down in the landing pattern. Another, driven away by Russian fighters, hopes to land at Lielvarde in Latvia, but the runways there are cratered and the pilot is forced to eject. The Roosevelt manages to kill a few more of the Flankers with long-ranged SM-6 shots, giving time for the last F-16 to hold out until the raid is over. The pilot manages to land the sole surviving plane from Siauliai on the taxiway, staring around at the smoking chaos of the base as he looks for a place to park.


AIR EFFORTS

My last four fresh F-16s arrive from Skrydstrup, supplementing the Eurofighters that are operating east of Kaliningrad. They, and the Polish based F-16s south of Kaliningrad, make another effort to hit the Russian fighters, and they manage to get some of them, but they still can't get at the raiding Su-24s. Those which survive the SAMs at Siauliai all make it back safely to Zabroshennyy, in the heart of the enclave.

As my fighters use up their fuel and missiles and fall back to base, my last four Eurofighters are continuing up the Baltic, to the relief of Estonia. Unfortunately, by the time they arrive it is too late to change the situation. They manage to kill the last couple of retiring Fencers and Fullbacks, and then spend some time in the Gulf of Finland, harassing the Russian planes there with long-ranged Meteor shots, but the damage is already done. They sadly turn about, fly past the smoking military installations, hit the tanker and head home.


AT SEA

By this point it's obvious that my plan to send the Roosevelt and Dragon into the Gulf of Riga isn't optimal any more. It's kept them out of trouble, and the Roosevelt has managed to snipe a bunch of fighters with SM-6s, but they haven't been able to provide any useful ABM support and they haven't managed to protect any installations. The two ships are ordered to turn around and head back down the coast. There's a Russian task group of five ships down there that needs attending to.

The Roosevelt opens fire at 120 miles, sending a stream of 15 SM-6s hurtling towards the enemy ships. They're travelling so fast, the captain boasts, that some of the Russians can't even engage them! Well, some isn't all, and the SA-N-21s on the modern frigates are superb weapons. Missile after missile gets shot down, and only a few get through, wounding one of the frigates and the Sovremenny destroyer. Observers on the AWACs soon spot the two ships breaking out of formation, listing and on fire, and heading slowly back to base.

Chastened, the captain of the Roosevelt confers with his colleagues. Dragon and Roosevelt in the north, and Sachsen and Willemoes in the west, will work together on a coordinated pincer attack. The two mini task groups rush towards the enemy for nervous hours that stretch on and on at excruciating length. Then, with fighter cover overhead, and EF-18 jammers between themselves and the enemy, they fire a massed salvo of Harpoons and RB15s. Enemy fire control radars click on as the missiles clear the horizon, SAMs and guns fire, and explosions tear steel. By the time it's over, radar reports that one of the contacts is gone entirely, and pilots on the orbiting fighters report plumes of smoke from the remaining four. The three frigates in the north are slowing to a crawl, but the Sovremenny, which swatted down all the incoming Harpoons, is continuing south with stern determination at 7 knots.

Now what? Helicopters! A Seahawk from the Roosevelt comes south at wavetop height and pummels one of the crippled frigates with Hellfires and guided rockets, until it sinks in a mass of flames. Then the Lynx from the Sachsen closes in on the wounded Sovremenny with four Sea Skua anti-ship missiles, and fires them all at optimal range. If a few Hellfires can finish off a frigate, then four heavier missiles should do the trick here, gloats the helicopter crew. The Sovremenny is out of SAMs, but that doesn't deter a Russian fighting ship! With precise skill its CIWS systems gun down all four missiles (a 1 in 50 chance, dammit!), and the burning ship keeps heading for harbour. The Lynx RTBs in shamefaced silence.

Bold action is called for here, and the Sachsen and Willemoes continue their flank speed advance towards Kaliningrad, where two pairs of missile boats have been lurking. They open up on the Nanuchka missile boats with SM-2 SAMs. The nearby Sovremenny may be on fire, listing, and down to 6 knots, but she still has teeth, and she swiftly returns fire, defending her countrymen with a salvo of Sunburns. Alas, the NATO ships' excellent short-ranged SAM defences knock down the missiles without any difficulty, and the pair of them execute the four missile boats and the brave Sovremenny too. Last to go is the Neustrashimy, adrift and on fire, executed by a single SAM.


END OF THE DAY

At the end of the day, the Russians have smashed radars, airfield facilities, and bases throughout the Baltic states and eastern Poland. NATO aircraft have withdrawn from Estonia, and one lone F-16 is left in Siauliai. Russia has taken heavy aircraft losses from SAM fire (156 SHORADS shots!) during the ground attacks, and NATO has also inflicted a reasonable amount of damage in air-to-air combat. The one area of outright NATO success is at sea, where the Russian ships have all been sunk, for the loss of the de-fanged Polish Perry. The whereabouts of the Russian sub remains a mystery.


A very interesting scenario. Thanks for writing it.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/9/2021 1:31:30 PM   
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Impressions

This was a really interesting scenario, even without the normal game accessories of points and scoring and 'game balance'. I hadn't really appreciated just how cut off the Baltic states could be in the event of a conflict, nor how how tilted the numerical odds might be. (Have we really sunk so low?) You've got a bunch of decisions to make early on, and I definitely got caught out on where my focus needed to be. There's a lot to be said for a scenario that rocks you back on your heels and makes you think.

The lead-in to the attack, with developing events, was really good for setting the scene. The marker for the traffic accident was a nice touch. Maybe a marker for the commercial ship in Klaipeda would be good too? Things slow down a bit after the heavy Russian attack, and the mid and end-game feel a bit empty in comparison. Perhaps some additional news-briefs about international reaction, and ongoing Russian diplomatic activity, or markers showing ground troop incursions into Estonia could help maintain the pace?

I was wondering if a second wave of Russian attacks would occur. Nothing on the scale of the massive first attack, but perhaps a series of smaller short-ranged attacks on communications and infrastructure targets, surviving radars, etc. This would also help maintain pace in the end-game, and give the NATO player something to try and defend against.


SAMs

The one thing that felt off was the inactivity of the Russian SAMs. When the scenario opened up I was truly alarmed by the scale of what was there, so I tried to pull everything out of the area. As the scenario went on, and nothing opened fire even though an intense conflict was raging, it started to feel somewhat artificial. In the end I was operating very close to the borders and ignoring the SAMs in a way I probably shouldn't have been, even trying to provoke the fighters up near St Pete's.

As you say, turning all the SAMs on would probably make the scenario unplayable. Perhaps having a few of them active with very reduced ranges would work well, with WRAs on the individual batteries set to allow engagements something like 20 to 40 miles or so beyond the border. (Particularly up north around the Russian / Estonian border.) That way you could simulate an active and dangerous defence, without making the game completely unplayable. The missile boats near Kaliningrad could get some cover, and so could damaged ships returning to port. Explanations could also be made about Russia being concerned about deconflicting long-range SAM fires, or Kaliningrad mostly holding fire in readiness for a NATO attack, or to avoid provoking an immediate ground response. And maybe, just maybe, one SA-21 should be set up for long-ranged shots against AWACS only, in case the NATO player gets really reckless with those vulnerable assets.


Missions

Except for the Sovremenny at the very end, the Russian ships did not engage my ships despite having solid fully ID-ed contacts on them. The Missile Boat 1, Missile Boat 2, and Ship Patrol missions are set up so the ships will not engage unless the target is within the small patrol area rectangle. Setting them to 'Investigate unknown contacts outside the patrol area' will allow them to engage targets in the larger prosecution area. For some of these missions, the prosecution area does not currently include the Gulf of Gdansk, so when the Sachsen and Willemoes came charging in here they were not eligible to be engaged. You could either expand the prosecution area, or set them to Engage Opportunity = Yes, which will let them fire even outside their designated target zone. (In any case, I definitely got lucky here, and I should have been running away from massed salvos from the missile boats, rather than charging in unopposed to hit them with SAMs. I think my pair of ships could have endured the first part of the salvo, but I would definitely have been falling back in a hurry. Thirty-two missiles from the Nanuchkas alone!)

The Su-24s and Su-34s on the various attack missions took horrible casualties from the SHORADS around their target sites, largely because their loadouts are predefined for medium or low-level attack runs. While this is unavoidable for planes with iron bombs, it is completely unwarranted for all the planes dropping LGBs and other PGMs on obvious infrastructure in clear weather. Unfortunately, it's pretty much out of your control for an AI mission. Is there any way to set the attack altitude with Lua? Keeping the planes at 5000m AGL would completely avoid the RBS-70s, Starstreaks, and Mistrals (but not the NASAMS, alas), greatly reducing the losses.

Was there supposed to be something (a drone?) assigned to the Sentinel mission on the NATO side? Or were there supposed to be planes in Lielvarde for it?


Assorted Items

A look at Amari on Google Maps suggests it actually does have hardened shelters. There are 14 hardened structures of some sort along the north boundary, which may have been active HAS once, although most of the closest access points to the runway seem to be gone now. (You can still get to the runway from them by heading east, albeit with a bit of a drive.) There are also five more south of the taxiway, right in the centre of the base. They look active, and three of them definitely have immediate taxiway access. (See? My attempt to find a way to justify my carelessness has succeeded! )

The Russians sometimes seemed to have difficulty ID-ing my ships. They had them as solid contacts on OTH radar, and were picking up my radar emissions, but it sometimes seemed like they couldn't tell what I was, despite numerous ship sensors with specific emitter ID. I'm not sure what else could help. A quick optical recce run before things kick off?

The two Patriot batteries on the Polish coast are actually down in a 'trench', so they have a limited radar LOS at low levels. (In my playthrough I moved them up to the top of the adjacent rise so they could see.)

There are no MICA-IRs at the Estonian airbase Amari, so although there are enough MICA-EMs, the Mirages cannot reload if they use any -IRs, since the -IRs are not considered optional weapons. (In my case I added some IRs to allow reloading, but then got caught on the ground for my impertinence.) The Typhoons at Amari do have enough of both types of missiles to allow some reloads.

The F-22s at Spangdahlem are in the same situation, since they have no AIM-9X reloads, and the AIM-9Xs are not considered optional.

The ASW helicopter on the Sachsen is not on quick turnaround, unlike the ASW helicopters on other ships.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/9/2021 2:22:54 PM   
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Thanks Andrew

I think the difference between my playtest and yours is that you killed many of the Kazoo carrying Fencers who were supposed to hang out at range and snipe at the GBAD units as they were exposed. In my play through I took some losses to ground fire but the GBAD units got hammered. So I need to fix that.

You mention drones and I have ignored them, will add some in.

The Sentinel mission was there for the RAF Sentinel Area surveillance AC that I removed when I discovered the Brits had sold off this amazing platform. It is essentially an updated JSTARS on a budget - but there it is - gone. I'll remove the mission

Many other great points, thank you.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/9/2021 4:19:56 PM   
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Hi Gunner98

I´ll definitely be giving this one a try very soon.
It looks quite intense, and AndrewJ´s AAR would seem to confirm this.

I just have my usual nitpick

The prefix for Danish ships are HDMS not HMDS.
HMDS would imply that Denmark was part of the British empire, as His/Her Majesty is implied to be the British monarch.
That´s why other nations use the His/Her (insert nation here) Majestys Ship to differentiate from the royal navy, HDMS, HNLMS etc.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/9/2021 7:08:00 PM   
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Roger, will fix.

I thought they were all related anyway

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 2:36:52 AM   
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quote:

You mention drones and I have ignored them, will add some in.

Hey if you want a version that adds some minor drone play to each side, I have a variant I'm still play testing.
But thing is it also adds other tweaks, some more minor than others, most notably SAM all have unit specific WRA and go active and tight eventually and some lua timed with the messages "activating" things slowly for a better show. Also I was adding cell and tv tower PCL radar detection (for future builds fingers crossed).

I doubt anyone wants my franken mod of it but you might find something in there worth copying, change log included which I think covers everything I touched.

Baltic-Estonia-Focus-KHPCLS2_changes_posted.zip

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 12:11:10 PM   
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A very enjoyable, if sobering scenario Gunner!
Very very minor nitpick - The RAF 3 Sqn Typhoons should be FGR.4s rather than T.3s. T.3s are trainers and therefore almost certainly wouldn't be deployed to the Baltics.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 12:16:23 PM   
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Thanks KnightHawk75 will take a good look

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 12:17:55 PM   
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OK will fix, I just assumed the FGR were tailored for ground attack. No problem

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 1:59:10 PM   
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The original Typhoon F.2s were air to air only but they've all been upgraded to FGR.4 standard and are truly multi-role, especially since Project Centurion.

BTW, if you do want to give the RAF an aircraft based at Waddington instead of the Sentinel, the Airseeker would be one option. Not sure how much of a crossover there is between they're roles though as I don't think the latter has SAR capability.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/10/2021 7:06:36 PM   
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Thanks.

Yeah, I don't know if Airseeker is needed, just another wide-body to get shot at. I know that at least one is working out of Cyprus for Syria/Iraq tasks, and one is probably down for repair/maint/trg at any one time. So I suppose one would be available.

I thought Sentinel would be a slick addition and probably available and a handy airframe. I was really surprised that it got cut - the Beachcraft Shadow's don't cut it for sure.

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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/13/2021 4:20:42 PM   
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OK here is an update, fixed many bits and pieces.

Special thanks to AndrewJ and KnightHawk for their suggestions and scripts.



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RE: Something a little different - a non-Fury scenario ... - 5/14/2021 4:35:51 AM   
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Lua - Hostilities EMCON
type o on last line missing a ( after tostring, very likely my fault.

quote:


print('Kaliningrad AD EMCON changed for ' .. tostring(gKH.SceneGlobals.processUnitsEMCON(kgunitlist,"Radar=Active")) ..' number of units.');



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