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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

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ORIGINAL: king171717

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

Interesting, you dont limit lower morale inf div so the higher morale inf div get more reinforcements.

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

Folks do this not because Panzers are bad in a blizzard but because AFV losses are going to be higher in winter; more AFV breakdowns and losses through movement, so in many cases you may be better off just letting AFVs accumulate in the pool and pull them out in March/April.

In Winter, I would lean more heavily on Motorized Infantry units if you need something mobile. Another tactic is to keep Panzers in a city on RESERVE; they won't have the same problems if they stay in a city, but that limits use

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

Folks do this not because Panzers are bad in a blizzard but because AFV losses are going to be higher in winter; more AFV breakdowns and losses through movement, so in many cases you may be better off just letting AFVs accumulate in the pool and pull them out in March/April.

In Winter, I would lean more heavily on Motorized Infantry units if you need something mobile. Another tactic is to keep Panzers in a city on RESERVE; they won't have the same problems if they stay in a city, but that limits use

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Nothing but I know some people reduce TOE% for Panzers starting in December when Soviet winter buffs and counter-offensive start. Mainly because the Panzers arent good at defending in blizzard.

Folks do this not because Panzers are bad in a blizzard but because AFV losses are going to be higher in winter; more AFV breakdowns and losses through movement, so in many cases you may be better off just letting AFVs accumulate in the pool and pull them out in March/April.

In Winter, I would lean more heavily on Motorized Infantry units if you need something mobile. Another tactic is to keep Panzers in a city on RESERVE; they won't have the same problems if they stay in a city, but that limits use

Well, Blizzard impacts what elements get added to the battle and I've seen Panzer divisions take huge losses even in victories in Blizzard terrain. Your point is valid but Panzers are also not great in blizzard even at full strength. Also the rate that returns damaged AFV elements to the pool in heavy snow is 10% vs 22.5% in clear. Another reason not to use them in battle (or move them much).

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Also the rate that returns damaged AFV elements to the pool in heavy snow is 10% vs 22.5% in clear. Another reason not to use them in battle (or move them much).

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ORIGINAL: Laits

So, why don't sending these panzers in Balkan or Western TB?
If you don't use them in blizzard, it could be interesting gaining AP and VP this way.

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ORIGINAL: Laits

So, why don't sending these panzers in Balkan or Western TB?
If you don't use them in blizzard, it could be interesting gaining AP and VP this way.

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ORIGINAL: Laits

So, why don't sending these panzers in Balkan or Western TB?
If you don't use them in blizzard, it could be interesting gaining AP and VP this way.

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ORIGINAL: TheFerret

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ORIGINAL: Laits

So, why don't sending these panzers in Balkan or Western TB?
If you don't use them in blizzard, it could be interesting gaining AP and VP this way.

This is a valid strategy with enhanced TB control on, especially sending them to western Europe to free up infantry divisions for Russia sooner.

There is a big drawback, though - you'll want them back for the 1942 offensive, and even if you send them via the reserve box, transfers can only be placed in 1941 German-controlled territory. Then you have to either drive them or rail them to the front, and neither is a good option: if you drive them they'll arrive several turns later, low on fuel, with zero CPP and high fatigue, possibly with attrition losses; if you rail them, they take up a ton of freight, and the spring 1942 rail network still isn't robust enough to be able to transport multiple armored divisions to the front and also fulfill supply and replacement needs for the units already there.

Since you can't go below 90% in a theater box, if you exchanged armored divisions for extra infantry, you may have to start the process of exchanging them back early - first the infantry needs to transfer back to western Europe (2 turns), then the armor can transfer to the map (2 turns), then you get the armor to its staging areas near the front (2-3 turns), then you probably want to let it resupply, rebuild CPP and get rid of fatigue (2-3 turns). So if you're looking to launch the offensive in the first week of June, you'll want to start the process of getting your armor back in early April, even late March if you want to have your assault armies in place to take advantage of any favorable weather in May.