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Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 12:10:33 PM

Vic

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Call to all Shadow Empire players to come on over to the bar and answer some questions on their gaming habits and what direction they�d like to see Shadow Empire go!

Click here to report for duty: https://survs.com/survey/xyexfuvkrv

Thanks for your time and best wishes,
Vic

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 12:49:23 PM

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Thanks for the survey. I actually enjoyed completing a survey!
:)

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 5:01:51 PM

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Damm, I had a hard time selecting my preferences, as I felt like a kid being asked what toy I would like :(

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 5:36:58 PM

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One question is bit hard to answer.I would play on bigger maps if the turns where faster.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 6:06:34 PM

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I filled it out. But for my point 20, you just have to look for any thread I started in the Suggestions Subforum

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 8:54:51 PM

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well, i did it!

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 9:02:48 PM

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Done

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/2/2021 10:36:31 PM

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I have only played the civilization series of the games you ask for, but I feel it's important to point out that it's only civ 4 that is good. All the others are dumbed down too much.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 7:29:56 AM

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Done

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 7:32:59 AM

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Yeah, same comment... but also technically, Brian Reynolds' Alpha Centauri is a civ game too !
(I just assumed that you were asking about the best in the series.)

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 11:03:21 AM

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You are the best Vic!

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 12:25:52 PM

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Done, wall of text...
Feel free to discuss it sometime.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 4:15:32 PM

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thanks for taking the time guys. expect some feedback in about 2-3 weeks. i want to give everybody the time to participate and for me to analyze.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 4:29:11 PM

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I'm not sure how reliable the benchmark data on the other games are going to be, e.g. my feelings on Civ and SimCity span 20 and 30 years of experience respectively and range between genius and disaster for both series.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/3/2021 9:15:28 PM

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Good survey and look forward to seeing the results!

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/4/2021 12:38:15 AM

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For me there was no page 3 of the survey. I ended up completing pages 1, 2 and 4.

Thanks Vic for requesting feedback. Loving nearly every aspect of this game.
-Mark R.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/4/2021 9:35:15 AM

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Good idea Vic, I'd be interested to see what the feedback was if you're willing to share the metrics afterwards.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/5/2021 9:59:09 AM

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I wish Vic would pay more attention to the suggestions and feedback forum.

Everything we want is there.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/5/2021 8:40:29 PM

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I can't believe you didn't put SMAC/X in the poll.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/5/2021 11:31:29 PM

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TURN TIMES
TURN TIMES
TURN TIMES
!!!!!!!!!!

Game abysmal waiting times is one major issue for me, and the main reason i dont play this game even more.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/8/2021 3:07:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Uemon

TURN TIMES
TURN TIMES
TURN TIMES
!!!!!!!!!!

Game abysmal waiting times is one major issue for me, and the main reason i dont play this game even more.

This is also the main reason for my ~~random gibberings~~ postings so much here!

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/8/2021 10:51:48 PM

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Game turn times on a medium size map or above is terrible with an active presence of AI's strewn across planet. I love this game, and I would play it far more if I could actually play the game instead of waiting for the end of turn for 4+ minutes on larger maps.

Not bad on small map, but I can finish small maps in under 150 turns.

Edit-

I also want to say the turn times have to be like 60% faster compared to launch day. So much progress has been made. Im very impressed by the 1 man show.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/9/2021 7:53:53 AM

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Survey done.

I've given feedback on turn times before, my main point was 'give us something to do' during the turn processing. This would take our mind off the length. Or fill in some blanks with updates from the known world, a bit like a news feed - you could gamify this too. The better your spy network and/or relations, the more info you get to see .

Easier said than done I know, but it might easier than trying to reduce turn times themselves!

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/9/2021 9:15:15 AM

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Yeah, for instance detailed battle reports, just like during our turn !

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/9/2021 9:54:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar

Yeah, for instance detailed battle reports, just like during our turn !

Yep, I suggested being able to review previous turn reports and battles.

That data is already there, no additional processing burden required.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/9/2021 10:32:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bleek

Survey done.

I've given feedback on turn times before, my main point was 'give us something to do' during the turn processing. This would take our mind off the length. Or fill in some blanks with updates from the known world, a bit like a news feed - you could gamify this too. The better your spy network and/or relations, the more info you get to see .

Easier said than done I know, but it might easier than trying to reduce turn times themselves!

Great idea. I was not really emphasising reduction in turn times because there could be a risk of unintended side-effects when I get round it by loading up the previous save in another instance and checking things a bit deeper.
However - this idea is great. Some Simple interactive reports thing that takes almost no cpu. Or something would be better for me than prioritising reduced turn times.

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/9/2021 11:32:56 AM

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Let's face it, reducing turn times is diminishing returns for Vic.

Filling that void with something else seems a much more attractive solution. 👍

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/10/2021 10:50:17 AM

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Thats not really a good idea. The main reason why excessive turn times are bad is because they disrupt the gameplay flow. One minute youre fully engaged making plans for that turn and future turns, and then you spend 10 minutes waiting. If you keep staring at the screen you will get bored (which is not a good thing for a video game to do) and if you alt tab (even for a shorter period of time) you attention will shift from game to whatever it is you tabbed to, be it youtube or whatever.

If Vic adds something for you to click on the screen while turn is being calculated, thats basically trying to compete with other tabbed out things for your attention, and while i do respect Vic, i dont think he can compete with youtube or netflix.

So yeah, even if working on turn times has diminishing effect, thats still the best way to get it done, otherwise you will lose the player attention. Thats not a problem for some of you, because you are niche players who are willing to wait however many minutes, but if this game is ever going to reach people who are not niche players (like myself, i do love turn based games, but i will not sit and wait 5 minutes between turns, its just not fun) its not really good enough.

I said this elsewhere already, but i like this game so much, that in order to be able to play it in an acceptable way i would be willing to play a lobotomized version of it. Find out what is caused the turn times to be so long and just cut it, as sad as that sounds. Id rather play the game with even worse AI, than not play it at all. (obviously im talking about a separate game mode, last think i would want to do is take anything from anyone that they enjoy)

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/10/2021 11:09:09 AM

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It's not *so* much an issue if "whatever you tabbed to" is the manual !

(Or even any other SE content...)

As Bleek said, this is about diminishing returns.

You're just never going to get turn times in the minutes in the mid-late game on large worlds with lots of regimes !
You would probably need to have a completely different game, without concentric bonuses nor units being cut off being an issue.
Heck, even games without these features suffer from the same issue : consider Space Empires 5 or Heroes of Might and Magic 5 !

Consider the latest beta patch :

If your turn times were ~10 minutes, now they're ~8 minutes... this is still too long to be waiting for the AI to move without doing anything else !

However, in smaller games I expect a -20% difference to feel much more significant : now instead of ~60 seconds, you're only waiting ~48 !

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RE: Official Shadow Empire poll is up and running! - 6/10/2021 11:22:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar

It's not *so* much an issue if "whatever you tabbed to" is the manual ! (Or even any other SE content...)

As Bleek said, this is about diminishing returns.

You're just never going to get turn times in the minutes in the mid-late game on large worlds with lots of regimes !
You would probably need to have a completely different game, without concentric bonuses nor units being cut off being an issue.
Heck, even games without these features suffer from the same issue : consider Space Empires 5 or Heroes of Might and Magic 5 !

Consider the latest beta patch :

If your turn times were ~10 minutes, now they're ~8 minutes... this is still too long to be waiting for the AI to move without doing anything else !

However, in smaller games I expect a -20% difference to feel much more significant : now instead of ~60 seconds, you're only waiting ~48 !

I think it is time for the Speed Rant to be quoted :)

https://ericlippert.com/2012/12/17/performance-rant/
Particulary part 4 applies here.

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