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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 5/11/2021 11:52:26 PM

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If he has ASW assets forward, how about attacking those with massive fighter escort?

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 5/17/2021 7:09:24 PM

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September 21, 1943.

Daily air battles continue around the Taberfane region while the Japanese and Allied fleets continue to stare at each other. Most of the air battles feature heavier Japanese losses, but most are over Japanese territory so we're probably about even on pilot losses.

Meanwhile, a raid by some Kates around Lae in Eastern New Guinea achieved success, planting bombs into 3x large APAs. Only one is listed as sunk, but I'm guessing 4x 250 kg bombs and heavy fires/damage should probably be enough to get all three.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 5/17/2021 7:12:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

If he has ASW assets forward, how about attacking those with massive fighter escort?

I'm trying that a bit, but the situation is pretty fluid and half the times my strikes end up hitting his deathstar instead :)

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 5/21/2021 6:58:30 PM

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September 24, 1943.

Battles around Taberfane continue. The Allied fleet is getting a bit larger and more aggressive.

Allied CV aircraft launched a series of attacks on some Japanese picket DDs. For the loss of over 50 aircraft, only 1x 1000 lb bomb was planted on a DD. Luckily, the damage was tolerable and the destroyer will likely survive.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 5/24/2021 12:29:18 AM

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September 27, 1943.

Managed to down a lot of heavy bombers today, over a combination of Burma and New Guinea!

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/4/2021 8:16:19 PM

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October 10, 1943.

It's been a busy week around Taberfane.

The Allied CVs were deployed forward a few days ago so the KB came down to meet them. We set up a perfect 7-hex strike along with land based air, but then... STORMS. Bad weather prevented airstrikes the entire day to/from the KB. The land based air went in without the KB strikes and got badly chewed up by the Allied Death Star. So instead of a really good result, we had a really bad result, all due to weather. What could have been a titanic carrier clash fizzled into mist.

The next day, the Allied fleet withdrew from Taberfane and the Japanese fleet came in to bombard... which didn't really go very well. We sank a few Allied DDs, but three Japanese destroyers hit mines and promptly sank and the Yamato ate two torpedoes from PT boats. Those PTs are possibly the most effective weapon in the Allied arsenal. Yamato should survive but what a terrible waste.

Now, it looks like the situation has returned to the status quo, with the Japanese and Allied fleets not daring to leave their own air cover to attack the enemy. We'll see how the situation develops.

Overall, the Taberfane campaign has now been raging for over two months and is turning into an attritional Kesselschlacht for both sides - probably more for the Japanese, unfortunately. This is our Guadalcanal.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/4/2021 8:24:16 PM

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Ouch!

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/4/2021 8:25:37 PM

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His subs are really starting to sting. He's recently torpedoed 2 aircraft carriers, a battleship, and a cruiser, in addition to several tankers and over a dozen cargo ships. None of the warships sank but the damage is annoying.

On the other hand, a lot of Allied subs are listed as recently sunk... in fact, more Allied subs have so far been sunk than were historically lost in the entire Pacific war.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/4/2021 9:41:18 PM

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quote:

Kesselschlacht for both sides - probably more for the Japanese, unfortunately. This is our Guadalcanal.

To be honest, it's a pretty decent place for you to fight. Nice and close to the DEI fuel and supply, and you've Makassar, Kendrai and Manadno to backstop your air efforts.

Looking at your dispositions, building up around Biak is the right move to make, but I'd think about how you can put pressure on the Allies further back from the frontline. I'd look at building up Hansa Bay to put pressure on Merakue and the Allied shipping lanes through the Torres Strait.

Hansa can go right up to level 9, and is a real nuisance to deal with if the Allies are on the wrong side of New Guinea, and if the Allies are at Taberfane, then strikes can come from a whole 270 degree arc...

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/6/2021 1:19:27 AM

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quote:

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Kesselschlacht for both sides - probably more for the Japanese, unfortunately. This is our Guadalcanal.

To be honest, it's a pretty decent place for you to fight. Nice and close to the DEI fuel and supply, and you've Makassar, Kendrai and Manadno to backstop your air efforts.

Looking at your dispositions, building up around Biak is the right move to make, but I'd think about how you can put pressure on the Allies further back from the frontline. I'd look at building up Hansa Bay to put pressure on Merakue and the Allied shipping lanes through the Torres Strait.

Hansa can go right up to level 9, and is a real nuisance to deal with if the Allies are on the wrong side of New Guinea, and if the Allies are at Taberfane, then strikes can come from a whole 270 degree arc...

Yes, it's not really a terrible region to defend. Way better than the Solomons for proximity to supply/fuel and also more important. I see the future as a slow slog match through the DEI, which the Allies will eventually win but I bet we'll be able to hold out for quite a whole.

Unfortunately, I've now lost Buna and most stuff East of New Guinea except for Rabaul itself. He was doing a really good job protecting his supply line through the Torres strait anyway - not really sure there were many opportunities there.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/6/2021 1:32:59 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

quote:

Kesselschlacht for both sides - probably more for the Japanese, unfortunately. This is our Guadalcanal.

To be honest, it's a pretty decent place for you to fight. Nice and close to the DEI fuel and supply, and you've Makassar, Kendrai and Manadno to backstop your air efforts.

Looking at your dispositions, building up around Biak is the right move to make, but I'd think about how you can put pressure on the Allies further back from the frontline. I'd look at building up Hansa Bay to put pressure on Merakue and the Allied shipping lanes through the Torres Strait.

Hansa can go right up to level 9, and is a real nuisance to deal with if the Allies are on the wrong side of New Guinea, and if the Allies are at Taberfane, then strikes can come from a whole 270 degree arc...

Yes, it's not really a terrible region to defend. Way better than the Solomons for proximity to supply/fuel and also more important. I see the future as a slow slog match through the DEI, which the Allies will eventually win but I bet we'll be able to hold out for quite a whole.

Unfortunately, I've now lost Buna and most stuff East of New Guinea except for Rabaul itself. He was doing a really good job protecting his supply line through the Torres strait anyway - not really sure there were many opportunities there.

Maybe lay some minefields using subs.

From the back side of New Guinea, if you have Naval Search, then maybe fighter bombers and torpedo bombers flying at 100 feet or 1000 feet. They might be able to attack before his CAP can react.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 7:06:20 PM

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It's been a busy week in both the game and also in real life, so I haven't had a chance to post, but there was a big battle at Taberfane.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 7:54:53 PM

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It was such a busy turn that I'll just post elements of the combat report with comments because witpqs does a great job with that:

October 17, 1943:

The Japanese fleet moves to forward positions, hoping the Allied fleet would also come forward and offer battle. We'd been playing cat & mouse for months, with the Allied fleet dashing forward to provide CAP or supply to Taberfane, and the Japanese fleet occasionally coming forward but often holding back. Neither side wanted to engage without support from their own land-based aircraft.

First a minor destroyer picket skirmish:

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kai-eilanden at 82,114, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Minekaze, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
DD Eaton
DD Hutchins
DD Nicholas
DD Philip
DD Taylor
DD Wadsworth

Improved night sighting under 85% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 85% moonlight: 8,000 yards

An Allied cruiser force avoids combat with Japanese heavy units:

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Gorong at 81,113, Range 29,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Tone
CA Chokai
CA Myoko
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Kiso
CL Oi
CLAA Tatsuta
DD Hatsukaze
DD Shiranui
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Arashi
DD Asashio
DD Natsugumo
DD Amagiri
DD Uzuki
DD Kamikaze
DD Harukaze
DD Yunagi

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis
CA Canberra
DD Abbot
DD Converse
DD Pringle
DD Renshaw

Improved night sighting under 85% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 85% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 25,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 14,000 yards...
Range increases to 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 24,000 yards...
Range increases to 29,000 yards...
Range increases to 29,000 yards...
Allied Surface Combat TF evades combat

Another picket skirmish:

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kai-eilanden at 82,114, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 1
DD Takanami
DD Oyashio
DD Hayashio, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis
CA Canberra
DD Abbot, Shell hits 1
DD Converse, Shell hits 1
DD Pringle
DD Renshaw

Some sub attacks:

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ASW attack near Kai-eilanden at 82,114

Japanese Ships
DD Minekaze, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
SS KXII

SS KXII is sighted by escort
KXII diving deep ....
DD Yukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yukaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yukaze loses contact with SS KXII
DD Yukaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Gorong at 81,113

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 41

Allied Ships
SS Grunion

SS Grunion launches 2 torpedoes at SC Ch 41
Grunion diving deep ....
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 41 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Then, the Allied plan is revealed. A long series of night attacks from the Allied carriers. I think he was trying to catch the Japanese fleet without night CAP and sneak through for a few lucky hits. Luckily this didn't work all that well (though it was still a bit of a nail biter and a few hits were scored):

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 85
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 38 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 5 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo
CVL Chiyoda
CV Kasagi
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 2
CVL Shoho
CV Shinano
CV Unryu
CV Kaga
CVL Ryuho
DD Yuzuki
CVL Zuiho
CVL Chitose
CV Hiryu
CVL Mizuho
CVL Nisshin
CV Ikoma
DD Asagiri
CV Shokaku
DD Urukaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Shinyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Soryu
CVL Ryujo

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25G Mitchell x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-25G Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Ayanami
CV Hiryu
DD Urukaze, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25G Mitchell bombing and strafing from low level
Naval Attack: 6 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 8

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CVL Mizuho

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 11

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 5 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga
CVL Mizuho
CVL Nisshin
CVL Chitose

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 7

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Aso
CV Soryu

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 8

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Ikoma
CV Unryu

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-5 Dauntless bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo
CA Nachi

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 5

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Kasagi
CV Aso

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Night Air attack on TF, near Gorong at 81,113

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless x 9

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
CV Ikoma

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD-5 Dauntless bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Then Allied destroyers finish off a Japanese picket and run from Japanese heavies:

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Kai-eilanden at 82,114, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 10, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Eaton, Shell hits 1
DD Hutchins
DD Nicholas
DD Philip
DD Taylor
DD Wadsworth, Shell hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Gorong at 81,113, Range 29,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Tone
CA Chokai
CA Myoko
CA Aoba
CA Kako
CL Kiso
CL Oi
CLAA Tatsuta
DD Hatsukaze
DD Shiranui
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Arashi
DD Asashio
DD Natsugumo
DD Amagiri
DD Uzuki
DD Kamikaze
DD Harukaze
DD Yunagi

Allied Ships
DD Eaton
DD Hutchins
DD Nicholas
DD Philip
DD Taylor
DD Wadsworth

And get the better of some more pickets and then run away again:

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Gorong at 81,112, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Takanami, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Oyashio, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Hayashio, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Eaton, Shell hits 2
DD Hutchins, Shell hits 1
DD Nicholas, Shell hits 2
DD Philip, Shell hits 1
DD Taylor, Shell hits 1
DD Wadsworth

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Gorong at 81,113, Range 29,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
BB Mutsu
CA Maya
CA Ashigara
CA Suzuya
CL Nagara
CL Isuzu
CL Kinu
CL Abukuma
DD Kazegumo
DD Isokaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Sazanami
DD Yayoi
DD Satsuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Myojinami
DD Suruyame
DD Tadeyame
DD Takakaze

Allied Ships
DD Eaton
DD Hutchins
DD Nicholas
DD Philip
DD Taylor
DD Wadsworth

Allied Surface Combat TF evades combat

And then, oof, this happened:

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Sub attack near Gorong at 81,113

Japanese Ships
CV Shinano, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Nachi
CL Tama
DD Tachikaze
DD Asanagi
DD Nenohi
DD Yamanagiri
DD Suresushio
DD Tachekaze
DD Uruyuke

Allied Ships
SS Thresher

Ammo storage explosion on CV Shinano
SS Thresher launches 6 torpedoes at CV Shinano
Thresher diving deep ....
DD Yamanagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Suresushio fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tachekaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Uruyuke fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yamanagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamanagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamanagiri fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamanagiri attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

Shinano was in trouble because she'd already eaten a torpedo from another sub earlier but I decided to keep her in action nonetheless. It was starting out as a really bad day.

Then the usual Allied bombardment which happens somewhere almost every day:

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Naval bombardment of Dobo at 83,116

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 57 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 30 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 14 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 12 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
CL Columbia
DD Shaw
DD Sims
DD McCalla
DD Sigsbee
DD Bullard
DD Anthony

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 53
Port hits 10
Port supply hits 2

CL Montpelier firing at Dobo
CL Columbia firing at 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
DD Shaw firing at Dobo
DD Sims firing at Dobo
DD McCalla firing at Dobo
DD Sigsbee firing at 22nd Division
DD Bullard firing at Dobo
DD Anthony firing at Dobo

But then the Kido Butai and Japanese land-based air forces finished sipping their morning sake and got to work:

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 65
N1K1-J George x 10

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 45
Martlet IV x 38
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 44
FM-1 Wildcat x 61
F6F-3 Hellcat x 537

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 46 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Ok so that wasn't great, most of the strike lost without a single bomber getting through. But the first Kido Butai strike was perfectly coordinated:

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 27
A6M5 Zero x 298
A6M5b Zero x 22
A6M5c Zero x 92
B6N1 Jill x 356
B6N2 Jill x 15
B6N2a Jill x 15
D4Y1 Judy x 158
D4Y2 Judy x 123
D4Y3 Judy x 47

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 45
Martlet IV x 38
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 44
FM-1 Wildcat x 61
F6F-3 Hellcat x 523

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 11 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
B6N1 Jill: 57 destroyed, 7 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B6N2a Jill: 2 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 30 destroyed, 14 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y2 Judy: 17 destroyed, 6 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 13 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Hornet
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CLAA Oakland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Barnes, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Prince William, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Anzio, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Santee, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Altamaha, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Nassau, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DD McCall, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CLAA San Juan, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Belleau Wood
CV Enterprise
CLAA Reno, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mahan, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Sampson, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Aylwin, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Perkins, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Craven, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Independence
CV New England
BB South Dakota

Ammo storage explosion on CVE Prince William
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Anzio
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Natoma Bay
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Nassau
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Casablanca
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Casablanca
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CLAA Oakland
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Natoma Bay
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Barnes
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Nassau
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring an Allied DD
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Prince William
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Aylwin
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Mahan
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Tucker
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Perkins
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CLAA San Juan
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Craven

A heavy blow to the Allied CVEs at a high cost in Japanese pilots and planes, but unfortunately the strike missed most of the fleet carriers. And a few laggards came in but got badly chewed up without making a dent:

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 127
N1K2-J George x 28
P1Y1 Frances x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 31

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 44
Martlet IV x 37
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 41
FM-1 Wildcat x 59
F6F-3 Hellcat x 491

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 13 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
P1Y1 Frances: 12 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 2 destroyed
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 13
N1K2-J George x 42

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 38
Martlet IV x 34
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36
FM-1 Wildcat x 52
F6F-3 Hellcat x 461

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 9 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 104 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y2 Judy x 62

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 35
Martlet IV x 34
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
FM-1 Wildcat x 48
F6F-3 Hellcat x 428

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y2 Judy: 11 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 83 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 24
N1K2-J George x 34

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 34
Martlet IV x 33
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
FM-1 Wildcat x 44
F6F-3 Hellcat x 390

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 17 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 55
N1K2-J George x 62
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 30

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 30
Martlet IV x 29
F4F-3A Wildcat x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
FM-1 Wildcat x 36
F6F-3 Hellcat x 347

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 11 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 6 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CVL Princeton

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 24

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 27
Martlet IV x 29
F4F-3A Wildcat x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27
FM-1 Wildcat x 33
F6F-3 Hellcat x 322

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 36

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 24
Martlet IV x 27
F4F-3A Wildcat x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 25
FM-1 Wildcat x 31
F6F-3 Hellcat x 304

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 6 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Cummings, on fire

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 10

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 22
Martlet IV x 26
F4F-3A Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
FM-1 Wildcat x 26
F6F-3 Hellcat x 259

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 24

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 22
Martlet IV x 26
F4F-3A Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
FM-1 Wildcat x 26
F6F-3 Hellcat x 247

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 21
Martlet IV x 26
F4F-3A Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
FM-1 Wildcat x 25
F6F-3 Hellcat x 230

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

That could have been the end of it, trading a bunch of Japanese planes and pilots for a few lost CVEs. While I was contemplating if the result was even worth the cost, Admiral Ozawa was giving a rousing speech to his air group commanders, extoling them to launch a second strike before the main Allied fleet could escape. Japanese pilots swallowed one last round of sake and took to the air in pursuit of the retreating Allied fleet:

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 25
A6M5 Zero x 269
A6M5b Zero x 18
A6M5c Zero x 89
B6N1 Jill x 222
B6N2 Jill x 15
B6N2a Jill x 12
D4Y1 Judy x 97
D4Y2 Judy x 82
D4Y3 Judy x 35

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 35
Martlet IV x 30
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 335

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
B6N1 Jill: 40 destroyed, 8 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B6N2 Jill: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 2 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 19 destroyed, 10 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y2 Judy: 17 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CV Manhattan, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 4, heavy damage
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Helm
DD Sterett, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
CV New England, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1
CV Essex, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego
DD Benham, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Dewey
CLAA Atlanta, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Stack

Fuel storage explosion on CVL Belleau Wood
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Belleau Wood
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hornet
Ammo storage explosion on CV New England
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV New England
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Essex
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Belleau Wood
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Lexington
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVL Princeton
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Manhattan
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Enterprise

Then, to end the day, a series of ineffective land-based air attacks harassed the Allied fleet while Hellcat pilots sought revenge:

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 88
N1K2-J George x 20
P1Y1 Frances x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 33
Martlet IV x 30
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 320

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 46
N1K2-J George x 36
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 41
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 30
Martlet IV x 30
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 310

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 6 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 20 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed by flak
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Mobile
CV Essex, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown
DD Gwin

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 30
Martlet IV x 29
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 296

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB Washington

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dobo at 83,115

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 7 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Hutchins
DD Eaton

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 18

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 27
Martlet IV x 28
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 265

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 26
Martlet IV x 28
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 254

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 26
Martlet IV x 28
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 250

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,117

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
FM-1 Wildcat x 20
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AO Patoka

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 7:56:51 PM

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The cost was high, with around 1,000 Japanese planes lost and hundreds of pilots but clearly the results were well worth it.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 8:14:01 PM

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The next day, Ozawa contemplated pursuit but chose to fall back to friendly air cover because he didn't want to risk entering the Allied land-based air and submarine zone of death and KB air groups were heavily depleted.

It's hard to say how many Allied ships actually went down. It's been about a few days since the battle, and every day we get reports of a ship or two sinking, either succumbing to their wounds or simply FOW.

Reports say that 5 Allied CVs, 2 CVLs, and 7 CVEs went down, plus BB South Dakota and some CLs and DDs. I think some of those CVs may survive because Allied damage control is so darned good. My best guess at actual losses are:

CV Saratoga (7 torpedo hits, 4 from aircraft and 3 after by sub)
CV Lexington (6 bomb hits, 2 torpedo hits)
CV Wasp (2 bomb hits, 3 torpedo hits, and she's a bit more fragile)
Possibly one but not all of: Hornet (2B/2T), Enterprise (2B/1T), Manhattan (4B/2T), Essex (2B/1T), or New England (4B)
Definitely not Yorktown (only 1 bomb hit)
Possibly up to 2-3xCVL (watched Independence sink, Princeton took 5B/1T though some bombs didn't penetrate, Belleau Wood took 2B/1T)
8x CVE (8 were hit with more than 1 bomb/torpedo and they're highly flammable)
BB South Dakota definitely went down because our pilots watched her sink
Plus 2-3 CLAAs and about half a dozen DDs

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 8:21:39 PM

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All in all, a wonderful result for the Kudo Butai. I think the Allies will still win the war due to crushingly powerful 1945 reinforcements, but no doubt this will set back their advance.

This will be an interesting game that I think will go to 1946. I expect in the long run for the Allies to eventually get to Japan's doorstep but the game should come down to the wire. Richard has confirmed that he thinks this will slow him down but he's still eager to persevere and play on.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 9:03:07 PM

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Very nicely done!

I think that was worth the cost.

Go back to a previous save and compare the ship sunk numbers and points. Tracker should help with this if you have it running.

Consider night bombing ports within range plus mining, whether by air or sub. Fast bombardment missions could also help if they can get through and not too bogged down by enemy SCTFs and PT screens. Even minisubs from Dobo to Taberfane.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/19/2021 10:15:26 PM

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Great job!!!

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/20/2021 1:13:14 AM

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I'm trying a new tactic to clear out his PT boats... George straffing runs. We hit them with a bunch of 20 mm cannon shots, but who know if this actually does anything? I don't get reports of them sinking. How many cannon hits does it take to sink a PT boat?

(The bomb hits clearly get them)

Morning Air attack on TF, near Dobo at 83,115

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT-184, Shell hits 17, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-182, Shell hits 13
PT-234, Shell hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x N1K1-J George bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/20/2021 1:14:37 AM

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And his mines around Taberfane keep sinking my destroyers. How do we clear them out when they're protected by his PT boats so that we can safely bombard? The PT/mine combination is cheap but deadly effective.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/20/2021 2:21:48 AM

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And his mines around Taberfane keep sinking my destroyers. How do we clear them out when they're protected by his PT boats so that we can safely bombard? The PT/mine combination is cheap but deadly effective.

Stand off, do not get too close to the base. Also, put in some DMS with your bombardment TF.

Use Float Jakes on Low Naval at 100 feet on his PT Boats.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/20/2021 4:15:46 AM

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PT's: not too many hits to sink one is my experience ....
I've used Nicks and they are very effective against them ...

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/21/2021 6:26:43 AM

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For Jakes at 100 ft, would that be LowN skill or strafe? My George pilots hit a lot with cannons but only a bit with bombs. They generally have good straffing skills but not so much LowN. I assume at 100 ft, strafe would be used for gunfire, while LowN would still be used for bombs... or is LowN only used for 1000-6000 ft and bombs at 100ft are still strafe?

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/21/2021 6:27:19 AM

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And his mines around Taberfane keep sinking my destroyers. How do we clear them out when they're protected by his PT boats so that we can safely bombard? The PT/mine combination is cheap but deadly effective.

Stand off, do not get too close to the base. Also, put in some DMS with your bombardment TF.

Use Float Jakes on Low Naval at 100 feet on his PT Boats.

Wish I had some DMS, but converted them all to Es.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/21/2021 1:34:31 PM

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For Jakes at 100 ft, would that be LowN skill or strafe? My George pilots hit a lot with cannons but only a bit with bombs. They generally have good straffing skills but not so much LowN. I assume at 100 ft, strafe would be used for gunfire, while LowN would still be used for bombs... or is LowN only used for 1000-6000 ft and bombs at 100ft are still strafe?

The LowN and the LowG altitudes have been changed so they are no longer 1000-6000 feet.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/21/2021 5:47:28 PM

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quote:

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quote:

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For Jakes at 100 ft, would that be LowN skill or strafe? My George pilots hit a lot with cannons but only a bit with bombs. They generally have good straffing skills but not so much LowN. I assume at 100 ft, strafe would be used for gunfire, while LowN would still be used for bombs... or is LowN only used for 1000-6000 ft and bombs at 100ft are still strafe?

The LowN and the LowG altitudes have been changed so they are no longer 1000-6000 feet.

Below 2000 feet is low attack, except 100 feet is always strafing attack (which can include bombs dropping but only the Strafe Skill is used or trained).

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/23/2021 6:57:52 AM

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October 25, 1943.

Rather annoyed - I set some Japanese ships to bombard Taberfane and for some reason Chokai and Harukaze stuck around into daylight (they detached from the fleet, but no indication they were damaged) and in the morning a swarm of Helldivers came in and planted tons of bombs into them. No idea why they detached and stuck around. They ended up staying in the Taberfane hex, which wouldn't really even make sense if they were a bit damaged. Only idea I can think of is Chokai hitting a mine, but there was no indicator she was damaged and no report of a mine hit. Any ideas?

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/23/2021 10:57:11 PM

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Collision? Anything listed in the ops report?

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 6/24/2021 12:19:24 AM

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Collision? Anything listed in the ops report?

Only thing in the ops report is "CA Chokai sinks at sea"

She didn't appear to be damaged even after the first dive bomber attack (at least not heavy damage listed even after a few bomb hits) so it didn't seem like a mine or collision.

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RE: Pacific War 3.0 (No Encircled please!) - 7/18/2021 11:21:05 PM

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This seems like an odd combat result:

(I know casualties are based on firepower not assault value, but still seems a bit out of proportion to have no Allied casualties when they're significantly outmatched in swampy terrain?)

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