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Panzer 35(t) numbers mismatch - 7/11/2021 2:21:29 PM

DimDX59

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Hello to all gamers.
I played WITE2 several times and I checked number of available at start and later produced tanks for German and Soviet side and I notice several mismatches between number of tank and units presented in game and available at various historic sources for 22 June 1941.

Let's start from Panzer 35(t) tanks number at 22 June 1941.
Production and combat report give 155 ready + 15 in pool Panzer 35(t).
According to Wikipedia there were 149 battle + 11 command tanks at 6th Panzer division, total 160 panzers, but it TOE lists only 155 tanks.

According to the source above, there were total 187 Panzer 35(t) tanks in Wehrmacht, it's approximate 27 tanks in pool, but game only 15 Panzer 35(t) in pool.

I ask to correct this discrepancies with this at next upgrade TOE
1)Increase TOE of Panzer 35(t) in 6th Panzer Division to 160
2)Increase number of Panzer 35(t) in pool to 20 or 27.

I want to write a several additional posts about equipment discrepancies later, if scenarion designer will listen me

< Message edited by DimDX59 -- 7/11/2021 3:40:27 PM >

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RE: Panzer 35(t) numbers mismatch - 7/11/2021 4:40:16 PM

Great_Ajax

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I use Askey for the starting point for all of the equipment. In this case, I did in fact miss the 5 x Pz38(t) that were listed as command vehicles under a different column. So I don't mind changing that.

Production is a different animal. Not every panzer, armored vehicle, machine gun or rifle produced ended up in the front line units. Numerous production quantities ended up in rear area training schools, depots and many were exported to other countries. In short, the production pool is an estimate and will never be 100% correct.

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ORIGINAL: DimDX59

Hello to all gamers.
I played WITE2 several times and I checked number of available at start and later produced tanks for German and Soviet side and I notice several mismatches between number of tank and units presented in game and available at various historic sources for 22 June 1941.

Let's start from Panzer 35(t) tanks number at 22 June 1941.
Production and combat report give 155 ready + 15 in pool Panzer 35(t).
According to Wikipedia there were 149 battle + 11 command tanks at 6th Panzer division, total 160 panzers, but it TOE lists only 155 tanks.

According to the source above, there were total 187 Panzer 35(t) tanks in Wehrmacht, it's approximate 27 tanks in pool, but game only 15 Panzer 35(t) in pool.

I ask to correct this discrepancies with this at next upgrade TOE
1)Increase TOE of Panzer 35(t) in 6th Panzer Division to 160
2)Increase number of Panzer 35(t) in pool to 20 or 27.

I want to write a several additional posts about equipment discrepancies later, if scenarion designer will listen me

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RE: Panzer 35(t) numbers mismatch - 7/11/2021 7:26:41 PM

Denniss

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244 taken over by Wehrmacht,
1 total loss in Poland,
11 total losses in France
26 sold to Bulgaria in early 40
10 more sold to Bulgaria in autumn 40 (afghanistan order, probably included in the 244)

160 are said to be used by 6th Panzer div for Barbarossa, either 155+5 or 149+11 command tanks (depending on source) with another ~50 in storage

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RE: Panzer 35(t) numbers mismatch - 7/13/2021 6:32:59 PM

DimDX59

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5 x Pz38(t) that were listed as command vehicles under a different column, I think it's Panzerbefehlswagen 35(t) (Pz.Bef.Wg.) � Command tanks with radios, this tank was 35(t) with large radio, but without 1 of 2 MG, so these 5 command vehicles were no armless tanks, they were almost as much dangerous as ordinary Panzer 35(t) and can be added to TOE of 6th Panzer accordingly.

Also I think number of Panzer 35(t) in pool can be increased to 36 from 15. Historically only 10 or 15 were used as replacement, but why not use all, 6th can theoretically can get all these if german player sent 6th to West or Reserve or refit at good depot?

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