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Join the tournament - 6/17/2021 2:12:46 PM   
ledrobi

 

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Status: offline 		Valor & Victory launches with tournament support: if you're looking to test your skills, you can sign up here and join the Operation Overlord tournament. All you need to do is sign up, then the system will pair you with opponents and create your PBEM games. You will be notified by mail of when the tournament is starting, and when it will be time to play your turns.

The tournament will start on July 1st, and it will include three rounds, each one lasting 21 days.

You will challenge your opponents in three scenarios:

June 6th, 1944 - St. Marie Du Mont, France
June 6th, 1944 - The Fight for Colleville, France
June 17th, 1944 - Battle of Douvres Radar Station, France

We'll do our best to make sure that everything runs smoothly - but being our first tournament, there is a limit of 50 players to allow us to troubleshoot potential issues.

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As you may have noticed, the second round of the tournament just started, and we're running into some issues:
- No bye-points were assigned for being matched against players who did not show up.
- Inactive players got moved in the second round.

This is not intentional. This is the first tournament to use the new scoring system, so unfortunately some issues can happen. We're looking into them and we'll update you as soon as possible.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/2/2021 10:43:29 AM   
JonJonJon

 

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Status: offline 		Is there a description of the scoring and rules anywhere?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/7/2021 5:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JonJonJon

Is there a description of the scoring and rules anywhere?


Anyone?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/8/2021 3:59:25 PM   
yobowargames

 

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Status: offline 		Hi JonJonJon

YOu get points for units destroyed each turn and then at the game end you get points based on your victory level.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/8/2021 5:40:34 PM   
JonJonJon

 

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ORIGINAL: yobowargames

Hi JonJonJon

YOu get points for units destroyed each turn and then at the game end you get points based on your victory level.


Thanks. What's the scoring situation when an opponent either doesn't turn up or doesn't finish the game?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/8/2021 9:01:37 PM   
yobowargames

 

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Status: offline 		Hi JonJonJon

I think they set it to you get 100 points if the player does not turn up. I am not actually sure what happens if someone starts the game and doesn't finish it. I will check.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/12/2021 5:24:00 PM   
FroBodine


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Status: offline 		Only 100 points for a default win? You should get the maximum amount of points in this case, especially since it's out of your control and not your fault.

Some folks are getting over 900 points in the first scenario, so just getting 100 points will not even give you a chance to compete.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/12/2021 5:31:50 PM   
JonJonJon

 

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ORIGINAL: FroBodine

Only 100 points for a default win? You should get the maximum amount of points in this case, especially since it's out of your control and not your fault.

Some folks are getting over 900 points in the first scenario, so just getting 100 points will not even give you a chance to compete.


I second that - currently the lowest score from a completed set is 174.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/13/2021 12:37:48 AM   
El_Condoro

 

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Status: offline 		Where are the tournament scores shown?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/13/2021 10:15:55 AM   
ledrobi

 

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Status: offline 		You can check them here: https://www.matrixgames.com/tournaments/scores/639

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/14/2021 2:26:43 AM   
Michael T


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Status: offline 		Be nice if my opponent would do his moves. Hasn't done a thing in 2 weeks.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/19/2021 2:08:44 AM   
FroBodine


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Status: offline 		So, no response from the developer or Slitherine tournament creators about the poorly balanced scoring for games where your opponent never played?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/20/2021 3:51:33 PM   
yobowargames

 

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Status: offline 		Hi FroBodine, This is the first tournament so we were unsure what scores players would get. The 100 points (200 points as its 2 games per round) are based on a minor victory. Right now if I look at the tournament table that would place someone at around 15th.



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RE: Join the tournament - 7/20/2021 8:23:08 PM   
Michael T


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Status: offline 		Not really fair to penalize a player if his opponent never shows up. My opponent did not even start. I may as well quit.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/22/2021 10:32:37 AM   
JonJonJon

 

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Status: offline 		There was no bye score awarded.

Plus, the no-show players are in the games for the second round.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/22/2021 3:46:16 PM   
ledrobi

 

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Status: offline 		As you may have noticed, the second round of the tournament just started, and we're running into some issues:
- No bye-points were assigned for being matched against players who did not show up.
- Inactive players got moved in the second round.

This is not intentional. This is the first tournament to use the new scoring system, so unfortunately some issues can happen. We're looking into them and we'll update you as soon as possible.

< Message edited by ledrobi -- 7/22/2021 3:47:55 PM >

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/23/2021 5:24:08 AM   
Michael T


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Status: offline 		Why not let the players who played at least one move play each other in an extended R1? I don't really care what you do with the defaulters.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/26/2021 4:08:22 PM   
JonJonJon

 

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Status: offline 		It's quite exploitable as it stands. My opponent has quit knowing full well there's no punishment for it, whereas I'll be missing out on the points I'd get for mowing down his units as they cross the open ground:




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RE: Join the tournament - 7/26/2021 9:10:18 PM   
Michael T


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Status: offline 		It's the first and last on-line tourny I will bother with. nuf said.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/29/2021 2:26:24 PM   
FroBodine


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Status: offline 		JonJonJon - I am guessing you are the Germans. If not, then what I'm saying is moot. Nobody in their right mind would cross that open ground just to let you "mow them down". You backed up, so you get what you get. A stalemate.

The scenario obviously wants both sides to be aggressive. I'm not saying the scenarios or game are perfect, they're absolutely not. The tournament scoring also has issues.

But, it's a war game, and you are expected to move forwards and do some war things. Not back up and hope the other player is a complete idiot to cross open ground to get to you.

You did this to yourself.

I think I will stick to the Field of Glory tournaments. I'm not great at that game, but the battles are so much more interesting.

This game is just way, way too basic. Maybe someday when a lot of stuff is added I'll play more. Until then, we have Lock 'n Load Tactical Digital with TONS and TONS of scenario and unit variety.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/29/2021 8:26:26 PM   
Michael T


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quote:

This game is just way, way too basic.


My feelings exactly. It's not even a beer n pretzel level game, it's below that.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/30/2021 7:53:11 PM   
JonJonJon

 

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ORIGINAL: FroBodine

JonJonJon - I am guessing you are the Germans. If not, then what I'm saying is moot. Nobody in their right mind would cross that open ground just to let you "mow them down". You backed up, so you get what you get. A stalemate.

The scenario obviously wants both sides to be aggressive. I'm not saying the scenarios or game are perfect, they're absolutely not. The tournament scoring also has issues.

But, it's a war game, and you are expected to move forwards and do some war things. Not back up and hope the other player is a complete idiot to cross open ground to get to you.

You did this to yourself.

I think I will stick to the Field of Glory tournaments. I'm not great at that game, but the battles are so much more interesting.

This game is just way, way too basic. Maybe someday when a lot of stuff is added I'll play more. Until then, we have Lock 'n Load Tactical Digital with TONS and TONS of scenario and unit variety.


The scenario is elimination where, from the manual, "Attacker objective will be to eliminate or pin all
the defenders’ units". The allied side is the designated attacker. The axis units start out scattered whereas the allied units are grouped and have superior firepower. What would your strategy be as the axis - push piecemeal into a concentrated force or regroup and use the terrain to your advantage, general?

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/30/2021 10:08:00 PM   
FroBodine


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Status: offline 		I am winning my tournament game as the Axis side. The Allies are almost eliminated. Maybe I got some lucky shots, I don't recall, but the odds didn't seem all that impossible as the Axis.

Both sides have the ability to stay in the buildings, General.

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RE: Join the tournament - 7/31/2021 8:47:47 PM   
olddog52

 

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Status: offline 		My game has stalled- no turns in about a week. Is it the game or my opponent?
And
Yes the game needs more weapons(arty, mortars, air strikes...and medics ...
I dont know why you would do this release and not put these tools in the box.

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RE: Join the tournament - 9/2/2021 10:06:27 AM   
El_Condoro

 

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Status: offline 		My game just ended with turns remaining and the tournament has disappeared from my Multiplayer screen. Was the tournament cancelled, opponent resigned, what?

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RE: Join the tournament - 9/2/2021 3:58:17 PM   
yobowargames

 

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Status: offline 		Hi El_Condoro

The tournament reached its finish date.

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RE: Join the tournament - 9/2/2021 9:34:44 PM   
El_Condoro

 

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Status: offline 		OK. Thanks. I think something needs to be done about how slow players and no-shows are handled. Not an easy task, of course.

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