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Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 2:20:32 PM   
KorutZelva

 

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Status: offline 		Hello. I'm KZ you may remember me from such films as 'KZ vs the Taxman' and 'KZ vs Rannug II, rumble in the jungle'.

Been watching Indy Heidel world war two week by week series on youtube and felt like picking up Strategic Command again.

I'm rusty as hell and have not been paying attention to what the meta is these days. Looking at other people AAR intimidates me since they pull off all these crazy stunts I'd never be able to pull off. So I accepted Pavia offer of a noob vs noob battle.

Long time watcher may remember that my trademark was an aggressive diplo game in SC: War in europe (so much so that if the diplo aspect as been nerfed towards majors compared to war in europe... you might have me to thank for). This monkey is too old to learn new tricks so I'll be bringing the same strategy back to see if its still viable post-nerf.

So sit back and enjoy the unbridled disaster of two noob flailing at each other. :D

You can also catch the war from Pavia Point of view in his youtube series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHGW-_0mvRvF_k_wJwKSEDfQFGU6Uqsyi

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 2:25:04 PM   
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Chinese and Japanese force duke it out, Chinese retreat in the north but raid an airfield in the center.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 2:29:16 PM   
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In Poland, the poles punish german overagression by cutting the supplies of the germany units approaching Warsaw. The situation is hopeless but Germany may be delayed one extra turn to re-established supplies. Poland sold its plane to buy a diplo chit... I considered buying another one by selling the southern army but ultimately I preferred marching it to Presov to cut supplies.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 3:35:57 PM   
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I look out just to say hello and thank KorutZelva for the chance to play this game. I am sure that I will enjoy the change, and that, although I suspect that my opponent will achieve victory, it will be an interesting battle.

Thank you very much KorutZelva

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 5:15:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 2, Poland falls on schedule. Germany brushed any supply issues and just blasted the Warsaw garrison without much problem. Made my first big mistake in letting India enter the war at its own pace... Forgot I could only use its diplochits once it was belligerent. Doh!

800mpp were invested in Diplo by the allies so far. :P

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/25/2021 6:52:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Always fun to watch a new AAR, and dont be intimidated by some of those guys in the other AARs, they are out of reach to most of us :) But I have managed to pick a few tricks here and there from them.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 10:55:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 3 - I'm realizing how one-sided the benefit are of the India declaration of war are. Now that its mobilization is stuck at 25% the Indian convoy sends a paltry 8mpp. Wow... and all I get is an understrength army?? Feeling gipped here... German massing along the French-Belgian border... hostility seems imminent, let's hope for bad weather.

German subs have been busy in the atlantic with the UK and french navy hot on their tail. They have took some damage but have evaded destruction so far.

In Asia the Nanning path holds. Supplies are poor for the Japanese at that location and so far no air support was provided for this push during the last turn.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 10:56:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

Turn 2, Poland falls on schedule. Germany brushed any supply issues and just blasted the Warsaw garrison without much problem.


Yeah, from this position the HQ on Lodz will stop the group south of Warsaw suffering from low supply, plus nothing will stop the panzers approaching from the NW. Plenty of strikes to eliminate Warsaw.

Good luck with the AAR!


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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 12:49:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 5 - December 1939. All is quiet on the western front. Allied command predict hostilities will only resume in March. Churchill lobbying of the USA finally pays dividend, and the USA moves 5% towards the allies. Roosevelt talks of implementing lend-lease in the coming months. Axis had not invested in diplomacy at all so far (perhaps waiting to see if the target of the diplomatic pressure was the USSR or the USA) we will see if they jump into the fray now. Unchecked I will bring up USA chances of getting swayed to 50% next turn. (Could have been 60% with India!!!!)

In Asia Japan hammers the mountain tile next to chengsha. Nanning front holds and the Japanese offensive have petered out there. Attempts to bring the carrier force to bear on the theater there were unfruitful. Chinese airforce have not been involved past the first few weeks of fighting.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 1:54:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Land


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ORIGINAL: KorutZelva

Turn 2, Poland falls on schedule. Germany brushed any supply issues and just blasted the Warsaw garrison without much problem.


Yeah, from this position the HQ on Lodz will stop the group south of Warsaw suffering from low supply, plus nothing will stop the panzers approaching from the NW. Plenty of strikes to eliminate Warsaw.

Good luck with the AAR!



Sadly! It had rained on Pavia's turn too!

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 2:27:04 PM   
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Japan narrowly destroys chengsha mountain corp, it is replaced. Carriers take damage trying to wither down Nanning corps. It stays undamaged.

No diplo-movement from the Axis. USA stays still.

Pictures from the front, the Phony War Colorized.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/26/2021 6:10:14 PM   
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Seven turns in... only one diplohit even while not being contested. That's... some bad luck. I'm behind at least 2 hits from average now. Better get three in a row to make up for it. :P

Chinese forces stop contesting the path to Chengsha.

Things have been quiet the past few turns in the battle of the Atlantic, convoy lanes have been restored.








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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/27/2021 11:01:55 AM   
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Winter does overtime but Hitler is tired to wait so he orders the troops forward however Dutch and Belgium troops holds on. French implement the Plan Dyle and move behind the river. Too bad France doesn't have more mmp on hand to refit the benelux!
In the East, Germans stick to the original molotov-ribbentrop agreement and move into Lithuania. Anglo-French reinforced the Finns and the Russians are forced to settle with a white peace.

No USA DIPLOHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Normally I wouldn't reinforce the finns for fear that it would set back russian mobilization but:
-My diplo investment made me short on units, I need hardware now now now.
-Figured it was a good way to show a true newbie experience for a noob vs noob contest.
-Most importantly I was pretty tilted about my lack of diploluck... figured the game owe me some luck. Turns out it doesn't work like that. :D

The silver lining is that Germany moved into Lithuania witch will make its mobilization break out even. It also starts another diplofire. USA fully pressure, Spain unmoved and finland pro-allies, won't be possible to fix everything.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/27/2021 3:50:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 9 - Late March, 1940

Germans finally break through dutch and belgian defenses and start probing the french lines.

In the norvegian sea two german subs try to escape from the royal navy, under 5 supply and the combined UK and French navy on their tails

While I've been dealing with my own bad luck (speaking of which, still no USA diplohit this turn, Bill is there a "Anti-KZ diplo" code in the latest patch? :P), Pavia has been dealing with bad luck himself in the weather department. After snow, now autumn rain in the spring, silencing the luftwaffe. (was there changes to the west europe weather pattern compared to SC war in europe?)




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/27/2021 7:36:42 PM   
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What a disaster my first turn of the invasion of the Benelux.
I hope it is not an impossible bill to pay.
By the way, if you want to put the link to my youtube channel, as a complement to your splendid AAR (which I'm not reading, jjj) no problem.

I am really enjoying the game with you.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/27/2021 8:02:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pavia

Pavia from its operational base
What a disaster my first turn of the invasion of the Benelux.
I hope it is not an impossible bill to pay.
By the way, if you want to put the link to my youtube channel, as a complement to your splendid AAR (which I'm not reading, jjj) no problem.

I am really enjoying the game with you.


Fun game! Very much off cookie-cutter script!

I edited the first message with a link to youtube channel but people might have missed it. So here's a reminder! See the war from the Pavia-Axis point of view. A must for you spanish speaking wargamers out there!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHGW-_0mvRvF_k_wJwKSEDfQFGU6Uqsyi

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/27/2021 8:21:50 PM   
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I edited the first message with a link to youtube channel but people might have missed it. So here's a reminder! See the war from the Pavia-Axis point of view. A must for you spanish speaking wargamers out there!


Many thanks.
It is a pleasure to play with you.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 1:03:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 10 - April 1940

Chengsha is evacuated. Japan offensives are concentrated in the south and the other fronts are quiet. China maxed diplo and tech spendings and now are finally starting to buy units.

Norway is conquered, Denmark I'm not sure... did it join via decision or get conquered? I missed that detail. Skirmishes with subs in the norwegian sea, but all three subs have avoided destruction so far.

Germany has to push without the cover of the Luftwaffe due to bad weather, they clear the two french units facing brussels but gets a fair share of causalities in the process, new units will need to be rotated in to maintain the offensive. With the main german push coming from Belgium, the Maginot is abandoned in East to protect the path to Paris. War is declared on Yugoslavia. Italy joins. French and english navies are in position to blockade Lybia's ports.

It finally happened! USA diplohit +8%! Lend-lease starts.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 11:34:51 AM   
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Breakthrough through the Ardennes but head south rather than West leaving the northern half of the Maginot isolated. Wounded UK corp withdraws in good order. One sub finally sunk. Yugo raid Albania, Mussolini loses face. USA stays pat.

China makes selected counter-attacks hoping to train their HQs a bit. :P




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 11:35:18 AM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 12:48:26 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 8:12:43 PM   
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Another sub go down. Lille is evacuated after it sustains intensive German assaults. Germany tries to reduce the Maginot pocket but the French armies hold on. Allies in the West buckle but do not break. Italy and Germany troops advance in Yugoslavia, the allies withhold sending help as they consider their situation hopeless. USSR decides against moving into the Baltic states after its failed invasion of Finland. Japan pressuring the chinese in the south. Limited counterattack by the chinese.

USA is moved by the pleas of the embattled allies (+5% diplohit)




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/28/2021 8:27:03 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/29/2021 10:39:22 AM   
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Anglo-french position start crumbling. English troops start their evacuation without notifying their french ally. Yugo holds. USA leans toward the allies (+7%) (now at 63%) (still diplomatically uncontested)




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 11:24:04 AM   
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UK finish their evacuation, no units were destroyed. Yugo holds but not for long. The French tank made a good account of itself in defeat inflicting lots of damage to the enemy. USA diplohit +4%

How high is USSR mobilization is supposed to be at that point in the war? Now it's sitting at 52% and that seems pretty high somehow. Isn't supposed to be like 25%? I think my opponent has messed up garrisoning manchuria or poland. Is that possible? If that's the case I might declare war on some neutral to balance things out. Maybe Sweden, maybe estonia-latvia?




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 3:06:21 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 5:17:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I did a little test starting a game and DOW denmark, norway, luxemburg, holland, belgium and yugo and saw that the USSR readiness was 47%... pretty close to what it is in the current game. Because the increase is random, it seems there was nothing special about the ussr readiness. You can chalk that one off as me being rusty (and paranoid).

Turn 15 - September 1940

France falls, Vichy installed. Free french recognized, Vichy fleet bombed, Dakar unsuccessfully raided. Yugo hold one last turn.

USA at 72%, diplo still uncontested. The lost of french diplochits means the odds of a USA diplo hit drops to 35%. Still pretty high. They are about 3-4 hits away from preparing for war, they may enter the war before the Russians...

Japan has been making cautious and methodological advance into China. Chinese counter attack stops.






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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 5:48:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		So with the France campaign coming to a close how did the 'KZ Diplo' fare in this installment of the game?

Better than expected honestly! I was afraid that the reduction in diplo effect would price out doing diplo-push on majors. It seems still viable. In this iteration of the game the USA is pretty rich compared to 'war in europe' making them an attractive target that can quickly recoup the allied investment. USSR can be pushed so close to war that the germans may have to reduce or even skip Mediterranean involvement. Of course a more experienced opponent would have shaved many turns of the battle of France but I was rather unlucky with my rolls so it kinda showed how many diplohits one would expect to get in a normal game if not countered. In world at war there's less tiles to trade for time in France compared to 'war in europe' but the smaller map size also means you there's opportunity to clog germany units delaying them. You do have to be adept at defending France on a budget, making full use of the BEF and abandoning the maginot line a bit sooner than what conventional wisdom dictates. It remains a gambit, France is left more vulnerable but it is my contention that the ripple effect of getting diplohits in more than compensate seeing France fall sooner. It's very dangerous left uncontested as you can raise the turn odds to 60% when all allies chip in. The Axis can mitigate it if all of them get on it and even reversed in their favor once France capitulate but it does put a strain on their early game to shell out that many mpp when their economies are still small. It even provides some form of protection against the resurgent 'all of France' strategy since it means you are leaving the French diplochits active longer if you don't Vichy.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 8:06:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		So numbers wise you invested 10 chits into USA (1500 MPs)? And how much total has it moved them towards Allies so far?

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/30/2021 9:20:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got 5 hits total so far
+5%
+8%
+5%
+7%
+4%

So 29% extra to the USA mobilization.

More than 10 chits because each chits that hits needs to be replaced. 5 hits means I need to buy 5 more chits. Uncontested and when it gets high enough let say the '80s, I can stop buying more. Once the landlease is active, it also sorta pays for itself. USA is at now at 480 mpp per turn (minus 100 or so land lease to the UK). Given that my diplohits account for 40% of the USA mobilization that means roughly 200mpp a turn gained.

Yeah its a lot of money, UK can only play defense for lack of units. But its income is now flush with fat american land-lease, pretty soon I'll be able to pivot to unit production. UK and USA have nearly maxed research spendings. High USA mobilization also means Japans has to think about implementing its sneak attack way ahead of schedule which can be disruptive to its plans.

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