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Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 5:46:34 PM   
HardLuckYetAgain


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Status: offline 		Missed playing Germany and I picked this game up with Jubjub a few hours after picking up the Soviet Game. Jubjub writings on the forum point to a very knowledgeable player so Hopefully I can at least give him a challenge. I do have to confess I am trying some things that are AD HOC musings of mine for the last two months thinking on the game.

Settings

* 1941 Campaign No Early End
* Server Game
* FOG of War: On
* Movement FOW: On
* Lock HQ support: On
* Automate AI air assist: Off
* Enhanced Player TB control: On
* No Motorization
* No Paratrooper drops
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 7:50:11 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 8:16:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OberGeneral

Curious to see how your AD HOC musings pan out!


Probably not so well :( But I am going to do it anyway!!!

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 8:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Missed playing Germany and I picked this game up with Jubjub a few hours after picking up the Soviet Game. Jubjub writings on the forum point to a very knowledgeable player so Hopefully I can at least give him a challenge. I do have to confess I am trying some things that are AD HOC musings of mine for the last two months thinking on the game.

Settings

* 1941 Campaign No Early End
* Server Game
* FOG of War: On
* Movement FOW: On
* Lock HQ support: On
* Automate AI air assist: Off
* Enhanced Player TB control: On
* No Motorization
* No Paratrooper drops


From personal experience, I've found JubJub to be one the best Russian Players out there, including numerous games of WiTe.
Your in for a challenge!

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 8:27:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephan61


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Missed playing Germany and I picked this game up with Jubjub a few hours after picking up the Soviet Game. Jubjub writings on the forum point to a very knowledgeable player so Hopefully I can at least give him a challenge. I do have to confess I am trying some things that are AD HOC musings of mine for the last two months thinking on the game.

Settings

* 1941 Campaign No Early End
* Server Game
* FOG of War: On
* Movement FOW: On
* Lock HQ support: On
* Automate AI air assist: Off
* Enhanced Player TB control: On
* No Motorization
* No Paratrooper drops


From personal experience, I've found JubJub to be one the best Russian Players out there, including numerous games of WiTe.
Your in for a challenge!


Oh, I could tell from his conversations on the forum. But in WITE I don't ever recall a Jubjub so would have to have gone by a different name at least. I sux at this game so I am sure he will kick my butt :)

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 8:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		At least the Air War is going fairly decent so far. Pretty close to finishing movement so these numbers will be pretty close to end total.

BTW, I did not have a loss of a SINGLE bomber this 1st turn!!!

(I did the same thing in this game https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4993481 a few months ago, in that game I bombed with Hungarians and Rumanians too but in this game I did not)




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 9:06:43 PM   
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including numerous games of WiTe.



I believe Stephan is referring to his games in WITE2. I didn't play a ton of the original.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/26/2021 10:40:44 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 2:41:49 PM   
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Weather!!!




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 2:43:12 PM   
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Events

Hmmmmm, circled in orange two free VP's for me? Thank you much! May I have some more please.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 2:52:39 PM   
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Soviet Bombing

Soviet players love to do it. It has negligible effects for air-frames lost. Like this bombing pattern in the north. I can just circumvent the interdiction and use the roads to bypass these interdiction hexes with combat units. /shrug I will take the (10) unescorted Soviet bombers losses :)






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 3:07:19 PM   
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Soviet Bombing in the South

Interdiction in the South, circled in orange, was better placed. But at the cost of 39 un-escorted bombers. To me it isn't worth it for the effects rendered. But hey only the Soviet player can answer that question themselves.

Circled in blue is the Soviet front line. I really don't have to recon here in the South so I won't. I am playing the South much different than all my other games. This is one of my "AD HOC musings" I had and playing it according to that musing. I hope it pans out the way I envisioned, time will tell.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 3:19:02 PM   
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Center

Hmmmm, is Jubjub playing close in the center? Will have to set up a Recon directory to find out.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 3:37:06 PM   
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HQ's forgotten?

I just want to point out you can game the system by having your HQ displaced by German units and the leader has a high chance of getting killed in the displacement. Thus you could get a better or worse leader. I tested this before I left two months and the leader death from displacement was pretty high and don't know if this was looked at in the time I was gone. But I do hope Jubjub doesn't have good leaders in those HQ's because they could die too :(

If Jubjub displaced them from inside pockets to where they are now then in my opinion it would have been better to just leave them in the pocket.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 3:53:41 PM   
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Gulf of Riga

Gulf of Riga in Soviet hands easily. I guess it is time to bring up the Hungarians and Slovkians(I'm sure Bobo can fix my spelling on this) Fighters for some kills ;-P Maybe even some Rumanians.

Soviets lost

17 fighters and 13 bombers

Not too bad for the result of keeping ports shut




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 3:59:57 PM   
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Now to work on my Air Directives for the turn. Will be back in a bit when I am finished.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:00:16 PM   
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Air Phase Combat Losses

Ran heavy and suffered higher losses than normal :(




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:01:46 PM   
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Recon Results where I want to go.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:13:00 PM   
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* The LIME circle Tank Division should be easy to move with a PZ with Flamm support. The lime infantry may take a PZ and moto but should be doable 2nd turn of the game in a lvl 2 fort.

* Whatever is in the RED circle area can make or break this whole thrust.

* Blue is 100% just a HQ. I recon'd pretty well so I should be seeing everything there is. Should be open field behind that this early in the game. I hope.

* The yellow X makes this defense prone to opening up. Main reason I am trying this.

Here goes nothing...




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:25:03 PM   
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Got to get rid of some minor blockers first. I want them to retreat to the NW and not NE. WITE2 is more random on the retreats so here is to hoping they don't go NE. X fingers.

P.S. I normally surround these and force surrender the next turn. But I am in a hurry here so they get the ax this turn, lol.






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:38:30 PM   
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Had to find an appropriate attacker. Got lucky on the retreat. Now to find an attacker for the SEC rgmt.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:49:45 PM   
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I guess straight North will work too ;-P






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 9:57:32 PM   
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Front line on the river is weak as expected this early in the game. Shouldn't be a problem attacking both of these with FLAMM attached to the PZ division.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 10:03:48 PM   
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FIRST, I move a rgmt across the river to dictate the retreat paths(indicated) of the Armor and the Infantry. This is a must.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 10:32:06 PM   
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Had to think on things a bit and look at the map. I decide to bring up another PZ division, marked in light blue and break it down to the West of Pskov before making the attack. I make the attack and the Soviet Rifle division retreats marked in Orange.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 10:55:51 PM   
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Computer acting all funky and had to save and restart. Now back with the update.

Attack on the Soviet Armor division easily routed to the NE per the orange arrow.


NOW to the important question. What is in the RED circle in the Rough terrain? This could bog down real quick and I go center if there is a heavy pipe hitter there. We are about to find out....




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 10:59:54 PM   
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SECURITY is in the hex!!!!!! Game still on. Going to up pump the Moto regiment with an SU and attack.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:04:04 PM   
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Security attacked and routed to the NE marked with an orange arrow.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:11:25 PM   
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Just an FYI if you don't know.

If you look at some of the snapshots and you see NO "?" or 0?0 on the counter it is because you have Y pushed in for the name of the units. Didn't know if everyone knew that or not but thought I would mention it here.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:17:30 PM   
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Tired of hiding the names & Jubjub will find out soon enough.

Ok, now to see if what I said was an HQ or not in the orginal recon picture. Going to go "balls deep" and bring up my PZ division with the most MP's and find out. If it is just a HQ I will then use 1 MOTO Rgmt to see if we can see what is in the RED circle.

Here goes...




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