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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

6) Better partisans (redo this piece)
17) Rockets modified

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

Revamped weather system

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1) Double Map size

11) Allow defender(s) different types of defense: Skirmish, Normal, To the Death

14) Better Jungle fights for smaller units, which need less supply

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ORIGINAL: firsteds

My own wish list:

18. Add a Doolitlle raid straight after Pearl. Similar to the Dakar Raid. Totally optional. High risk (cost) but high reward (NM boost).
19. Spawn a Polish Airborne unit in the UK in 1943 or early 1944. It's good to remember the Poles in WW2.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

SC-WAW is lifetime keeper. What happens next? Was thinking, double the size of the map, and double the # of turns. And change nothing else. That legit for a start?

1) Double Map size
2) Double turns
3) All kinds of new terrain (bridges, more types of roads, elevation, better trains, small rivers, name it.)
4) All kinds of new units (tactical level, more types of Tanks, Infantry, name it)
5) New lower level leaders/special units (Doolitter, Audie Murphy, Big Red One, Commandos, SS, Gurkas, Frogman)
6) Better partisans (redo this piece)
7) POW (prisoners of war, camps, work camps)
8) Improved Island fighting, Caves
9) Sieges (such as real Battle on Manila)
10) More kinds of factories, installations, forts, flooding hexes
11) Allow defender(s) different types of defense: Skirmish, Normal, To the Death
12) Redo Kamikazes (These dudes should be able to intercept)
13) New port facilities, supply depots
14) Better Jungle fights for smaller units, which need less supply
15) Not allow old units to be upgraded as easy as newly built
16) New point system scoring.
17) Rockets modified
18) <fill-in-the-blank> since game could add tactical stuff with bigger map

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ORIGINAL: Captjohn757

Elvis, you appear to be calling for a serious overhaul of the game . . . some of your suggestions are well taken from this quarter (larger map, for example). Maybe in time. Meanwhile, what's the deal with redoing the kamikazes? These guys were on a one-way trip, loaded with explosives and/or 200lb. and 250lb. bombs. The idea would be to avoid enemy (allied) aircraft, not engage/intercept them. Even a Zero, with a couple of 200lb. bombs strapped to the airframe, would have snowball's chance in a dogfight.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

Revamped weather system

Can you expand on this too?

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

Revamped weather system

Can you expand on this too?

In my opinion, there are 2 problems with weather right now.

1. Rain/Snow shuts aircraft down for an entire turn.

Currently getting rain (or snow) on your turn means your planes will not fly. As aircraft is very powerful it is often detrimental for current situation. 2 most important examples are France'40 and South Russia'41. If Luftwaffe gets to fly in early winter, France will probably fall much earlier, like 2 turns, sometimes even 3 if really unlucky. In Russia it's the same - if LW flies in Oct/Nov/Dec, Germany progress will be much stronger. This skews games, sometimes pretty hard.

What is more, such a polarizing system may (often) lead to situations, where one side flies continuosly (bc (s)he rolled good weather) and other side, on the very next turn, is grounded. It's not outside of probability range to fly 3 times in a row, when opponent doesn't at all.

Solution - let planes fly regardless of weather, just (strongly) reduce effectiveness in a bad weather. It rarely rains/snows continously for a whole month, at least in Europe, so this could be justified.

1. Bad weather is not bad enough

With some notable exceptions, bad weather caused entire fronts to stale for months. Armies just sat in place, and if they did perform some actions, they often exhausted themselves quickly. You may argue that historically Soviets conducted offensives in Winter, but later on they took several months to refit.

In SC:WaW, bad weather penalties aren't that harsh really. In 1941, German troops have so superior readiness and morale, that they can get good odds even in frozen weather, so with halved efficiency. Mud is troublesome for movement, but if there is a direct frontline, Soviets will take a beating regardless. Frozen weather on other hand reduces effectiveness of combat, but at the same time allows full movement, so you may gain terrain quite easily. And this reduced effectiveness still allows Germany to take Low Countries in Winter no problem. Was it a feasible scenario IRL?

SC: WaW is quite a fast game comparing to reality, often 1942 is a decisive year, while IRL 1944 probably was a final nail for GER, even if war was decided earlier. Weather is one of the reasons, why game dust settles so fast - you just can push in such weather conditions, that in reality would spell doom for such an initiative. Personally, I would really enjoy longer and more even games, even if this means that some turns will be 'boring', bc bad weather would force both sides to wait.

Solution: Harsher penalties for bad weather - additional morale loss, less AP's, reduced effectiveness.

There are more minor things. I believe weather in France and eastern Europe is (too) good vs what happened IRL. Also weather transition can be quick sometimes, from frozen to clear in one turn, without a mud in between.

These are 2 cents

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

SC-WAW is lifetime keeper. What happens next? Was thinking, double the size of the map, and double the # of turns. And change nothing else. That legit for a start?

1) Double Map size
2) Double turns
3) All kinds of new terrain (bridges, more types of roads, elevation, better trains, small rivers, name it.)
4) All kinds of new units (tactical level, more types of Tanks, Infantry, name it)
5) New lower level leaders/special units (Doolitter, Audie Murphy, Big Red One, Commandos, SS, Gurkas, Frogman)
6) Better partisans (redo this piece)
7) POW (prisoners of war, camps, work camps)
8) Improved Island fighting, Caves
9) Sieges (such as real Battle on Manila)
10) More kinds of factories, installations, forts, flooding hexes
11) Allow defender(s) different types of defense: Skirmish, Normal, To the Death
12) Redo Kamikazes (These dudes should be able to intercept)
13) New port facilities, supply depots
14) Better Jungle fights for smaller units, which need less supply
15) Not allow old units to be upgraded as easy as newly built
16) New point system scoring.
17) Rockets modified
18) <fill-in-the-blank> since game could add tactical stuff with bigger map

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

Currently, the game is very good. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be playing for the last 18-months. Game play is good, meaning, I like playing either side. There's an editor, so players can do as they wish. Going forward, is there a going forward? Meaning, is this the end for SC franchise? I played the original SC, SC-Pacific, SC-2, SC3-World with the squares, and now SC-WAW. I didn't play the SC-Europe, maybe why I lose to the top players. The evolution is much, much better. Obviously, the makers (Hubert & Company has to pay their bills, unless they are independently loaded already).

If there is going to be another SC, if I was fathom the guess, it would increase everything in size. Map, Turns, and add more Tactical feel. Thing is, to player's want that? Would is sell? Make the next flavor with more detail, units, everything. If so, then all kinds of new design would be needed. That's where my list, came in.

Now, specific to your question: Partisans

Partisans: They are too predictable, press the key 'p', you know where to block them. Currently, from all my games, the Partisans never appear, because players block them. They have to block them, else it REALLY screws them over. If they don't block them, it's because they forgot. Any entire Russia sector is then hosed, or a port in France/Paris is captured. Been there, done that on both sides. So is this really a strategy or just maintenance. Late in the game the partisans become a real factor, when the race is on for the Allies attempting to win the game.

1) Make random more locations
2) Don't make them as powerful in a strategic game.
3) Allow Allies to invest in specific areas for partisans, at a cost.
4) Give partisans the ability to "run away", kind of like submarines if in their native Woods, Jungle, or Big City
5) Allow the partisans to actually to 1-damage.
6) Let the partisans move with stealth, not capturing land/city/rail. Invisible mode so to speak.

Now, to Rockets:

Everytime I read about WW-2, watch YouTube, I hear about the Rocket bombings of London, the terror & death. The story of how Patton was not given gasoline, because Monty needed it to find V2 launching locations. The people of London were completely freaked out, and rightly so.

a) Give the Germans a rocket unit as a reinforcement, when ever historical they started, obviously after Fall of France, right?
b) The Rockets launched on London, need to do something for morale in current model. Just popping a little supply, not significant.
c) Give the Rockets, FOW protection. Or maybe the ability to "retreat" when attacked. The scientists pack up and go.
d) Maybe a better idea, make the Rockets shoot together all differently. It's not a "shot per turn", but a huge volley, that packs a big punch, but take longer to reload so to speak.

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

Revamped weather system

Can you expand on this too?

In my opinion, there are 2 problems with weather right now.

1. Rain/Snow shuts aircraft down for an entire turn.

Currently getting rain (or snow) on your turn means your planes will not fly. As aircraft is very powerful it is often detrimental for current situation. 2 most important examples are France'40 and South Russia'41. If Luftwaffe gets to fly in early winter, France will probably fall much earlier, like 2 turns, sometimes even 3 if really unlucky. In Russia it's the same - if LW flies in Oct/Nov/Dec, Germany progress will be much stronger. This skews games, sometimes pretty hard.

What is more, such a polarizing system may (often) lead to situations, where one side flies continuosly (bc (s)he rolled good weather) and other side, on the very next turn, is grounded. It's not outside of probability range to fly 3 times in a row, when opponent doesn't at all.

Solution - let planes fly regardless of weather, just (strongly) reduce effectiveness in a bad weather. It rarely rains/snows continously for a whole month, at least in Europe, so this could be justified.

1. Bad weather is not bad enough

With some notable exceptions, bad weather caused entire fronts to stale for months. Armies just sat in place, and if they did perform some actions, they often exhausted themselves quickly. You may argue that historically Soviets conducted offensives in Winter, but later on they took several months to refit.

In SC:WaW, bad weather penalties aren't that harsh really. In 1941, German troops have so superior readiness and morale, that they can get good odds even in frozen weather, so with halved efficiency. Mud is troublesome for movement, but if there is a direct frontline, Soviets will take a beating regardless. Frozen weather on other hand reduces effectiveness of combat, but at the same time allows full movement, so you may gain terrain quite easily. And this reduced effectiveness still allows Germany to take Low Countries in Winter no problem. Was it a feasible scenario IRL?

SC: WaW is quite a fast game comparing to reality, often 1942 is a decisive year, while IRL 1944 probably was a final nail for GER, even if war was decided earlier. Weather is one of the reasons, why game dust settles so fast - you just can push in such weather conditions, that in reality would spell doom for such an initiative. Personally, I would really enjoy longer and more even games, even if this means that some turns will be 'boring', bc bad weather would force both sides to wait.

Solution: Harsher penalties for bad weather - additional morale loss, less AP's, reduced effectiveness.

There are more minor things. I believe weather in France and eastern Europe is (too) good vs what happened IRL. Also weather transition can be quick sometimes, from frozen to clear in one turn, without a mud in between.

These are 2 cents

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ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80

Also, someone did an analysis awhile back (which, anecedotally, I believe to be correct) that weather plays against the human player 70% of the time.

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ORIGINAL: James Taylor

Two things. A robust, interactive logistical/communication system, player controlled by convoys on both land, sea and air that can be interdicted.

The hex becomes a container for various combat units. The amount and types of units allowed is set by the terrain, functionality is determined by supply levels and command aspects and of course the weather.

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ORIGINAL: havoc1371

Kamikaze's were, for the most part, novice pilots. Hard enough for them to fly into a ship, let alone try to ram another plane in the air.

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Map and unit graphics like Panzer Corps 2 would be amazing...