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Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 12:26:27 AM

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Normally, when the Axis is attacking anyway, a battle where the defender was "scouted" means that neither side will take many casualties. Can anyone explain this battle to me?

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 12:57:09 AM

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4.8.5. Possible Combat Results

� If the attackers are well led, it is possible that a defeat
will be converted to a �scouting� attack with much lower
losses

Meaning that H. Hube (he has good stats) fulfilled enough checks to turn the defeat into only a scouting operation with the aforementioned fewer losses. Think about it where a commander realises that the enemy position is too strong too attack and he turns it into just a brief skirmish instead.

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 3:41:50 AM

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If you could dig into the game formula, Ifaik there would be some point to attacking and lowering the morale or other factors for a defender.. just saying ..

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 10:04:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

4.8.5. Possible Combat Results

� If the attackers are well led, it is possible that a defeat
will be converted to a �scouting� attack with much lower
losses

Meaning that H. Hube (he has good stats) fulfilled enough checks to turn the defeat into only a scouting operation with the aforementioned fewer losses. Think about it where a commander realises that the enemy position is too strong too attack and he turns it into just a brief skirmish instead.

Hube is on the defence here though?

I think that even in 1943 the difference in experience means the Soviets won't benefit so much from the scouting attacks, especially compared to what you might see from the Axis side with scouting attacks in 1941.

For me it looks like the conversion from 'normal' attack to scouting attack prevented heavy losses from escalating into the kind of disasters you occasionally see on the Soviet side.

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 11:19:27 AM

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It's not really advertised as a feature, but as the Soviets if you hasty attack with a cavalry div you will get the equivalent of a scouting result - very low casualties (perhaps 100 men if you're unlucky) and good recon of the defender. In my experience, this happens 100% of the time - even in 1941 - and is a vital recon tool for the Soviet player.

As far as I can see this is not overtly discussed in the manual, and may actually be an accidental rather than deliberate feature, but for me it represents the real-world scouting abilities of cavalry very well.

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 12:21:47 PM

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In this case, the Soviets realised that they are dealing with a stronger enemy then expected (2 reserve unit activations) and the commander called the attack off before his formations were fed in to the meat grinder. If this hadnt happened, the battle would have ended in defeat for the Soviets with much bigger losses.

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/6/2021 12:29:17 PM

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I saw loads of 'scouting' from Soviet end in '41 where they ought to have penalty in leader checks too.

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RE: Effect of scouting? - 8/7/2021 3:03:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

4.8.5. Possible Combat Results

� If the attackers are well led, it is possible that a defeat
will be converted to a �scouting� attack with much lower
losses

Meaning that H. Hube (he has good stats) fulfilled enough checks to turn the defeat into only a scouting operation with the aforementioned fewer losses. Think about it where a commander realises that the enemy position is too strong too attack and he turns it into just a brief skirmish instead.

Hube is on the defence here though?

I think that even in 1943 the difference in experience means the Soviets won't benefit so much from the scouting attacks, especially compared to what you might see from the Axis side with scouting attacks in 1941.

For me it looks like the conversion from 'normal' attack to scouting attack prevented heavy losses from escalating into the kind of disasters you occasionally see on the Soviet side.