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Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 11:00:16 AM

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I don't know what the community knowledge of the Seven Years ' War is, but I wanted to share this little bit of info that I have (newly to me anyway) discovered.

I have never know a whole lot about this era, I had two board war games on the subject, one from SPI called Fredrick the Great and the other by Decision Games in their magazine Strategy & Tactics (S&T) called Seven Years World War (SYWW).

I sadly did not read much of the material at the time, epically the S&T magazine. For those not familiar S&T back in the day (first it was 1972 or so with SPI and then when DG purchased the rights for most of the SPI catalog and S&T mag) each S&T came with a game and the main topic of the magazine was based off that game, so you'd have a little treasure trove of info on that subject plus a game to play it out.

However, just this last December I have been smitten by the John Tiller Series of games, originally purchasing all but three of the Panzer Campaign games and then exploring and now acquiring 10 titles from each of the Napoleonic and American Civil War series.

Oh, I did have 1776 from Avalon Hill as a kid but only barely knew of my own countries history.

For myself the JTS games are a complete joy and remind me a lot of my old board war gaming days in the 70s-90s. JTS re-sparked my interest in both the Napoleonic and ACW battles.

Anyway, JTS has another game series called Musket and Pike and a game called Seven Years War so I started reading up a bit on that game and then I discovered this link and found it absolutely fascinating. If you use the left panel for navigation, you can drill down into various details of the campaigns, battles, armies', personalities, and also glean some information of the uniforms and even tactics of the era.

Seven Years ' War website.
http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Main_Page

JTS links.

This links to the product page for Seven Years war.
https://johntillersoftware.com/MusketAndPike/SevenYearsWar.html

This is a link to the Designer's notes.
https://johntillersoftware.com/MusketAndPike/Sevenyearswar/Notes.pdf

This is a link to the operations and is a great summary of some of the battles.
https://johntillersoftware.com/MusketAndPike/Sevenyearswar/Operations.pdf

SPI original board war game, page 9 has some interesting game and designers notes.
https://www.spigames.net/PDFv2/FrederickTG.pdf

All in all for myself the link to the Seven Years ' War website it totally awesome. Hope you enjoy if your interested.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 11:10:55 AM

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In my opinion Seven Years War game is one of JTS finest titles.

You can read my AAR on the Battle of Warburg here (in spanish)

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 11:30:20 AM

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Nafziger store has 8 books on the subject. https://nafzigercollection.com/shop/

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 11:37:15 AM

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To tie in with North American history, it is known as the "French and Indian War" where France lost most of its possessions in North America.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 1:48:13 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/400470/The_Seven_Years_War_17561763/

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 2:09:25 PM

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also for the ultimate operational experience, AGEOD's venerable Rise of Prussia and the gold edition contains the Wars of Austrian Succession. Their Wars in America has a truely brilliant French and Indian Wars campaign where you really come to appreciate the role of just the right unit and right leader in the right place over numbers any day.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 2:10:10 PM

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I have pbem almost all of the battles in the Tiller title. It is my favorite Tiller game. One of my favorite military periods as well.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 2:20:52 PM

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The French and Indeginous Peoples of North America war always brings to mind The Last of the Mohicans.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 2:40:43 PM

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I prefer the Eight Years War

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 2:56:37 PM

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I've enjoyed these tabletop takes on that period as well:

https://www.gmtgames.com/p-531-wilderness-war-2015-edition.aspx

https://www.gmtgames.com/p-888-imperial-struggle-2nd-printing.aspx

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/306348/french-and-indian-war-1757-1759

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 4:57:42 PM

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First of all thank you all for such warm and informative responses.

lecrop,

Thank you for the link to your website, looking forward to viewing your reviews.

Lobster,

Thank you for the Nafziger link. Some very very interesting books there!

Ranger Joe,

Your correct, the French and Indian War, the American Revolutionary War and the Seven Years War are all linked in a way together and JTS has them in the Musket and Pike series.

Aurelian,

Thanks for the steam link. Not a bad price for a game and looks very interesting, thank you.

Loki100,

Thanks for the info on the AGEOD Rise of Prussia. I never owned or played any AGEOD games, I'll have to find their web site and/or see if they are on steam.

sol invictus,

Thanks for your endorsement. The JTS series are all so addictive so I get, having them all, lol.

Erik,

Thanks for the links to the GMT games. At one point in my life I had over 500 board war games I collected from 1978 till 2014, but I had to sell them when I got divorced to pay some bills, since then I have switched entirely to digital war gaming.

Again thank you all! Much appreciated.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 5:52:21 PM

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quote:

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Loki100,

Thanks for the info on the AGEOD Rise of Prussia. I never owned or played any AGEOD games, I'll have to find their web site and/or see if they are on steam.

Actually, AGEOD is a part of Matrix/Slitherine and you can find their games here on the Matrix store. Age of Muskets

I have both ROP Gold and BOA2:WIA (which has the FIW campaign) and they're classics well worth picking up on sale.

BTW, their game Pride of Nations is another unsung classic well worth picking up on sale.

I forgot to add AGEODs Site

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 6:20:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

also for the ultimate operational experience, AGEOD's venerable Rise of Prussia and the gold edition contains the Wars of Austrian Succession. Their Wars in America has a truely brilliant French and Indian Wars campaign where you really come to appreciate the role of just the right unit and right leader in the right place over numbers any day.

And there are some terrific AARs by Narwhal (weren't you involved in some too Loki?)

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 6:53:43 PM

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quote:

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/400470/The_Seven_Years_War_17561763/

That's the first game from the developer making Grand Tactician: The American Civil War. It seemed to be truly a labor of love.
Both the battles and campaign are real time but pause-able and can be slowed down. The economic portion of the campaign can be really brutal, which is realistic for the period. You can automate the economics and just use a military focus.
I played though a lot of the scenarios, which are fun once you get the orders structure down, and went bankrupt fairly quickly in my one campaign attempt. The only real issue I remember is the fonts being very small. It's one of many games in my library I'd like to revisit someday.

If someone has an interest in the time period and isn't utterly turned off by real time, I definitely recommend picking it up. It even has a dlc for the Pomeranian War, there's one you dont see many games about.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 7:00:28 PM

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Horse and Musket was a very good tactical game covering this period. It was on my list to pick up during the Christmas sale this year. Unfortunately Matrix has discontinued both games from that developer and it's not available elsewhere.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/6/2021 9:45:52 PM

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Me and Narwhal did make an AAR about European main front conflict about Ageod's Rise of Prussia -7 Years War- It is fascinating conflict. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/learning-from-prussia-a-rise-of-prussia-aar-against-a-real-player-for-beginners.513080/ Campaign game from elite grenadiers to lower inf type was well depicted. Ageod's game is very well done about winter quarters. I think it is not possible in a tactical game. Loki100 also have great AAR's for both Rise of Prussia and Wars in America.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/7/2021 1:49:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: altipueri

quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

also for the ultimate operational experience, AGEOD's venerable Rise of Prussia and the gold edition contains the Wars of Austrian Succession. Their Wars in America has a truely brilliant French and Indian Wars campaign where you really come to appreciate the role of just the right unit and right leader in the right place over numbers any day.

And there are some terrific AARs by Narwhal (weren't you involved in some too Loki?)

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yes, I still think our joint French and Indian Wars AAR is one of the funniest things I've ever written, as well as (hopefully) a really good showcase for what is a quite brilliant scenario from either side.

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well it could be ... but am using it in its classical geographical meaning

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/7/2021 8:50:01 PM

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It's too bad old AGeod engine known for mostly about Anglo-Saxon conflicts. Rus and Espana'36 were great and also Thirty Years War, It seems todays wargaming limited to either North America or Far East Asia market.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/8/2021 10:16:19 AM

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But also:

Carthaginians, Persians, Romans, PLUS elephants in the Ageod Birth of Rome / Alea Jacta Est games.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/10/2021 7:06:31 PM

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/10/2021 10:30:18 PM

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The French and Indian War was one of the most significant causes of the American Revolution. The British used the war as a reason to impose taxes on the colonies (the Townsend Acts) that caused tremendous resentment. After the Townsend Acts the revolution was a certainty.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/11/2021 7:46:13 AM

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And if only Pocahontas had killed the settlers instead of sleeping with them the colonies might have failed - which is what her father wanted.

Kids, they always think they know best.
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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/11/2021 10:21:49 AM

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Thanks again all! Great input and links to this topic. Much appreciated.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/11/2021 11:32:24 AM

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The French and Indian War was one of the most significant causes of the American Revolution. The British used the war as a reason to impose taxes on the colonies (the Townsend Acts) that caused tremendous resentment. After the Townsend Acts the revolution was a certainty.

Very True,

To fully understand the American Revolution in 1776 you need to go back in history 22 years to
May 28, 1754. On that date a young and very inexperienced militia officer, standing in a wilderness
Glade, made a critical mistake that sparked the largest war of the 18th century.

In fact, that war was the first real world war with major battles on land and sea in North America,
Europe, India and the Caribbean.

The young officer�s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.

His screw up, which was largely his fault, lead directly to the Declaration of Independence 22 years later
and the American revolution which formed a new nation. The young officer�s name was George Washington
and he would become the first president and father of that nation.

It is one of the most incredible stories in all of history.

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Read about it:
Crucible of War - The Seven Years War and the fate of Empire in British North America.
By Fred Anderson.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/crucible-of-war-fred-anderson/1111865917#

Great book with great illustrations.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/11/2021 6:52:19 PM

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+1

Truegrit, very interest!

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/12/2021 5:28:48 PM

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Here's a link to a Loki/Narwhal tutorial AAR for Wars In America:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/wars-in-america-a-how-to-aar.545321/

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/12/2021 8:50:58 PM

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Also after 7 years War.. These were French Revolution- trigger nationalist revolts in AUS-Hungary and Ottoman- unification of Prussia and GB become super power.

I think JTS Seven Years ' War more about European front. It is interesting conflict about how Friedrich's Prussia did survive. Ageod's game did also depict Autria-Hungaria and Russia supply situation very well, even with combined effort they did't have good amount of supply.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/12/2021 11:51:11 PM

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Unification of Prussia? I thought that Prussia (which was Polish became part of Germany!

I think that George Washington was in a battle where he had bullet holes in his clothing, and horses shot out from under him yet he did not get scratch. A leader on the other side thought that he was destined for great things. George III thought that he was insane for giving up power.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/13/2021 1:40:57 AM

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Prussia gain enough prestige to be the leader of the German States, united Germany under Otto Von Bismarck - for FUTURE-

Anyway France and Austria qualition was also unusual. From my understanding France didn't go for naval war in colonies rather look for victory in Europe. They though they couldn't get victory at sea against England.

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RE: Seven Years ' War - 8/14/2021 9:29:58 AM

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Unification of Prussia? I thought that Prussia (which was Polish became part of Germany!

Poland, Prussia, Old Prussia, The Teutonic Knights, Brandenburg, and more, has all a complex, intertwined, and very interesting history that goes back well into the early medieval period.

Germany was created 1871. Before that it was Prussia who dominated, and unified, what we now think of as Germany. Brandenburg->Prussia->Germany simplified)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

Here is a map of the first Polish Kingdom. Note the Old Prussians to the NE. And I added the evolution of Brandenburg/Prussia.