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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/8/2021 7:51:25 PM   
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That is why I always train up some Dinah III squadrons for naval search


I do this with all of those units.

Yeah, the Jake's need to disappear when there's heavy opposition. But not all, I've used some in night search to attempt to keep DL's up. I've also produced some of the recon versions of the Judy. They do better than the Jake's in heavy traffic because of their speed. They suffer too, but not as badly as the Jake's.



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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/8/2021 8:12:07 PM   
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I've also produced some of the recon versions of the Judy.


Speaking of which, their use has put me above 500 for the use of the Aichi engines. Thinking about this for my next game when it comes to their production. Maybe I will get them to something over 500 for the engine bonus for the first Judy bomber types.

BTW, I've taken to using them on one of the CVL conversions that doesn't have an air group or torps (not until it upgrades), for use in night search. And while I'm on the subject I do this too with the Mogami(?) after her conversion to a CS (of sorts). She'll carry 10 Jakes.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 2:46:41 PM   
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Glad you're up again.

One warning about the late war when you get to it:

In my game with Castor Troy, I was sending invasion groups to atolls and included a bunch of the rocket armed LCI(G)s. I'm not sure how well late war things were tested in this game but these little ships were like dropping a nuke on those islands. Pretty much made any invasion a pushover no matter the fortification level of the island. Casualties of the bombardment literally in the 1000s.

Not sure how to house rule something like this.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 2:52:59 PM   
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Hi Mike,

Glad you're up again.

One warning about the late war when you get to it:

In my game with Castor Troy, I was sending invasion groups to atolls and included a bunch of the rocket armed LCI(G)s. I'm not sure how well late war things were tested in this game but these little ships were like dropping a nuke on those islands. Pretty much made any invasion a pushover no matter the fortification level of the island. Casualties of the bombardment literally in the 1000s.

Not sure how to house rule something like this.



I haven't had the privilege of using those ships but I would guess that the only way to control them would be in TF size and number of TF's allowed to bombard the target....GP

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 2:54:15 PM   
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I really didn't feel bad about it at the time as he had been handling me roughly the whole game.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 7:56:49 PM   
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Hi Mike,

Glad you're up again.

One warning about the late war when you get to it:

In my game with Castor Troy, I was sending invasion groups to atolls and included a bunch of the rocket armed LCI(G)s. I'm not sure how well late war things were tested in this game but these little ships were like dropping a nuke on those islands. Pretty much made any invasion a pushover no matter the fortification level of the island. Casualties of the bombardment literally in the 1000s.

Not sure how to house rule something like this.


Good to see you, Mundy. Thanks for the info. I'll add it to the 1945 folder. Seriously, I haven't had any experience with them. Wonder if mines will make a significant dent in them?

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 8:22:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still working on the easy stuff. Did all the Ansyu-C, Kiso and To'su xAKLs.

Ansyu-C: All will be converted to PBs. Originally, I liked them for their (relatively) long range as faster (14 kt) escorts, but eventually realized that they were excellent for fast transport TFs. Capacity of 1000 was nice and they usually could get in and out without being spotted in 1 ship convoys. I'll use them in both capacities.

Kiso: I converted 52 to ACM, 31 to PB with 16 currently in TFs. The survivors of those remaining 16 will be converted to PBs. None will remain as xAKLs.

To'su: 48 converted to ACM, 43 to PB with 1 in a TF. It'll convert to a PB if she survives. None will remain as xAKLs.

I converted more to ACMs than last game. They will maintain defensive minefields until that base becomes a frontline base. The ACMs at the frontline bases are doomed to die.

Total breakdown:

Ansyu-C: 68 PB, 39 xAKL until they reach a port where they can convert.

Kiso: 48 PB, 52 ACM, 16 xAKL

To'su: 46 PB, 42 ACM, 1 xAKL

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 8:25:37 PM   
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Good to see you, Mundy. Thanks for the info. I'll add it to the 1945 folder. Seriously, I haven't had any experience with them. Wonder if mines will make a significant dent in them?


Thanks.

Castor and I are about to flip sides and try again, so I need inspiration from the Japanese side.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 8:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ansyu C eat a lot of fuel, are 10vp, I have started to change how I use them because of those two factors.

I really don't find 14knot cargo only fast transports that safe or useful especially during the amphib bonus. Every now and then they are...still, less than a 1K vp, and if you get use out them go for it.


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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 10:16:26 PM   
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Ansyu C eat a lot of fuel, are 10vp, I have started to change how I use them because of those two factors.

I really don't find 14knot cargo only fast transports that safe or useful especially during the amphib bonus. Every now and then they are...still, less than a 1K vp, and if you get use out them go for it.




Yep, I knew the fuel and VP arguments against them would appear. I am aware of that. I use them as fast transports to get supply to front line places. They can usually drop it off and get out of Dodge in a day.

I am reallocating the cargo ships to haul supplies. I'm trying to minimize use of the fuel hogs in places where the larger, more fuel efficient ships work well. Mainly the Home Islands area.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 11:33:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the Ansyu-Cs as PBs can also carry supplies when they escort. For amphibious TFs, they can also carry supplies as well. In order to use them as escorts with supplies, they have to be in a FT TF first loading supplies, then transfer or simply be disbanded into port to wait for the other ships. If there is a minesweeper there, they can go into a minesweeping TF with no minesweepers. They work slower but they can take a mine hit and disband into the port. The Ansyu-C PB can also lay mines.

The To'su xAKls can also be converted to a small minelayer with free mines as well with some escort capability I do believe. You can convert them to something else, then back to the CMc again with another load of free mines. The only thing that can't convert back and forth is the ACM. Once there, no more conversions.

Personally, I skip the first two Judy dive bombers because of the engines and that also means the Judy recon. I might have to rethink that, at least for the recons.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 11:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		More easy stuff done. Kwantung Air Force figured out. Basically, I put different aircraft types at different bases. Fighters, medium bombers, light bombers, recon and transports and got AS moving to cover each base sufficiently. There's just enough for everyone.

The medium bombers are stationed at Jehol. Their training will be bombing of any Chinese in range. They kept their Sallies and Lilys.

Fighters are all Nates at Harbin. Light bombers are Idas & Sonias at Mukden. Transports are Theresas (36 are just enough for the 4 chutai) at Tunghua. Recon are Babs at Mutenkiang.

Everyone will rest until their morale is 100. Then the training begins!

CEA Air Force is done too. Just gave them rookies to fill out their ready rooms (trial by fire). They will fight with what they have for now. Crappy planes now are better than damaged upgraded planes. They'll get "better" planes later. They always get the cast offs, but they'll give up their Idas and Sonias for Marys and Anns.

Now on to the first real challenge: R&D!

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/9/2021 11:51:49 PM   
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Personally, I skip the first two Judy dive bombers because of the engines and that also means the Judy recon. I might have to rethink that, at least for the recons.


I'm planning on allocating some R&D factories to the D4Y1 (3 tentatively) and keep the 40 and 80 Ha-60 engine factories going. The engine will accelerate from 10/42 to 6/42. The R&D factories will change to something else. I'll convert 1-2 operational factories to the Ha-60 to build the pool up to 500 to accelerate the D4Y1 & 2. I'll figure out when I can get the 2 & 3 the same month. Once I stop accelerating the 2, I'll stop building the Ha-60. I'll use the engines for the 1 (a little bit) and the 2 and recon models. It's the D4Y3 that I really want.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 1:51:38 AM   
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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 11:54:43 AM   
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You don't have to do the separate research and development factories versus the production factories for the engines.



Ok, can you explain that please? Until an engine is operational, it's R&D. Unless you're talking about letting an R&D factory become operational when the time comes. But you lose the ability to convert the R&D factory to a different engine.

Edit: By the way, she has always been one of my favorites.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 11:57:37 AM   
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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:06:59 PM   
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You don't have to do the separate research and development factories versus the production factories for the engines.



Ok, can you explain that please? Until an engine is operational, it's R&D. Unless you're talking about letting an R&D factory become operational when the time comes. But you lose the ability to convert the R&D factory to a different engine.

Edit: By the way, she has always been one of my favorites.


I think that you edited the wrong post, I think that you meant to mention that the Helen transport has always been one of your favorites.

As far as I know, engine factories are different that air frame factories. You should be able to switch from production to R & D if you need to. Save the game, try it to find out, then you will know. I am being harassed by someone on a different matter.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:14:32 PM   
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I'm looking for suggestions on (of all things) IJAAF transports. I really like the Helen transport, but that means more Ha-34 engines for the duration of the war. What do you guys think?



Mike, I run wild with Thalias. I absolutely love them. They're available immediately and use HA-35, an engine you're plentiful of in late game (especially if you don't go for Oscar).


Personally, I keep a 20 or 25 factory for the Thalia since I lose many of them (I use them a lot even if they're supply-intensive). Pool kept at 40 +/-10. If you don't lose tons of TRs like me, you can get away with 15/month I think.

Their big assets are: very good range for imperial standards, immediate availability, HA-35. It also depends very much on how you do use them. F.ex. Type-C Divisions are fully air-transportable.


In line of principle, I go very very very heavy with the Oscar line and ditch altogether the Tojo one (or produce a token amount), which messes up a little bit the engine planning.



I'm very keen to have the lowest possible amount of different models, so the immediate availability of the Thalias is another positive aspect for me.
Initially there are some Topsy-equipped groups around but it uses the HA-5, which used also by the Ann, a plane I do love immensely (together, bizzarrely enough, with the Mary). Thus, Topsy and Sally transports are used until pool are exhausted and that's it. The short-legged ones (I don't have the game in front of me: I think they're the Theresa but I might be wrong) are not used at all and they are probably the only planes I let rust in the warehouses (I use even the Jeans!).


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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:16:55 PM   
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You don't have to do the separate research and development factories versus the production factories for the engines.



Ok, can you explain that please? Until an engine is operational, it's R&D. Unless you're talking about letting an R&D factory become operational when the time comes. But you lose the ability to convert the R&D factory to a different engine.

Edit: By the way, she has always been one of my favorites.


I think that you edited the wrong post, I think that you meant to mention that the Helen transport has always been one of your favorites.

As far as I know, engine factories are different that air frame factories. You should be able to switch from production to R & D if you need to. Save the game, try it to find out, then you will know. I am being harassed by someone on a different matter.


I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:25:41 PM   
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I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.



Uhm? What do you mean?

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:41:46 PM   
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I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.



Uhm? What do you mean?


That lovely Tunisian . . .




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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:42:34 PM   
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I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.



Uhm? What do you mean?


Here's an example. When I click on the Ha-35 engine factory, the only conversion options I have are other operational types. Same issue with the R&D factories. Only options are other R&D engines.





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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:46:04 PM   
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I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.



Uhm? What do you mean?


Here's an example. When I click on the Ha-35 engine factory, the only conversion options I have are other operational types. Same issue with the R&D factories. Only options are other R&D engines.







Ahhh I got it now. It's because you play Realistic R&D=on.

As far as I remember (what a shame... I'm playing with it as well....) you can convert R&D to production but not vice-versa. Meaning, that what goes from R&D to production, there remains. You can however convert from one R&D to another indeed.

It doesn't change much in the big picture of things, honestly.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:46:45 PM   
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I'm unable to convert an R&D factory (engine or airframe) to an operational one and vice versa.

I was speaking about Claudia, not Helen.



Uhm? What do you mean?


Here's an example. When I click on the Ha-35 engine factory, the only conversion options I have are other operational types. Same issue with the R&D factories. Only options are other R&D engines.






I see what you mean. I played with Realistic R & D off in case I made a mistake while learning.

So to me, that actually makes it more important to minimize the number of different engines so I can have a decent stockpile for when the inevitable bombing starts.






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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 12:55:54 PM   
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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 1:43:25 PM   
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I'm looking for suggestions on (of all things) IJAAF transports. I really like the Helen transport, but that means more Ha-34 engines for the duration of the war. What do you guys think?


Thalia is quite useful for the extra range...Tabby is the best, but of course that is Navy. If you can live with one less range than the Helen and no armor, the Sally is very good with 3k capacity.

I really use Japanese transports, other JFBs not so much. I even send the Theresa to southern Burma for air lift early on.






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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 2:08:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		[/quote]If you can live with one less range than the Helen and no armor, the Sally is very good with 3k capacity.[/quote]

You start out with a Ha-5 factory for the MC-21 Sally. It's more maneuverable, it's 1/3 more durable and has 1/3 more capacity than it's competitors. To me the choice is simple.

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RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) - 8/10/2021 2:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, here's my R&D. I have 77 aircraft factories available. I'll list what is getting factories first, and some notes. Then more comments below:

Oscar - 3 - to the III. I can be persuaded to dump this line altogether and just take them as they come. It's mainly for the range. I hate Oscars. Can't keep them alive. All 3 will remain R&D.
Tojo - 6 - to the IIc. I really like the Tojo IIc. It served me very well in the last game. Three will become operational and 3 will remain R&D.
Frank - 12 - to the r. The Frank a was great last game. Can't wait to get the r this game! Three will become operational with the a model and the rest continue to the r model.
Ki-83 - 12 - I've never experienced this model. Can't wait.
Ki-49 - 1 - to the IIa. Why you ask? Get it a little earlier so I can close down the Sally. Factory will remain in R&D. I'll convert the Sally and Lily factories to the Helen.
Patsy - 0 - This will get some of the R&D conversions.
Dinah NF - 3 - It "may" get more R&D factories, but I doubt it.
Ki-115 - 0 -
Sam - 12 - I'm doing this one the right way this time.
George - 12 - to the K5. Three will become operational with the K1 and the remaining 9 will advance through the K2 to the K5.
Shinden - 0 - We'll see if I can swing this one.
Rufe - 4 - This is to get me to the A6M5c. Once I get the Rufe, all 4 will advance to the 5c. Three will remain in R&D and 1 will become operational.
Judy - 3 - to the D4Y4.
Jill - 3 - to the N2.
Grace - 3 - I'd like to give this model a couple more R&D factories over time, but I doubt that will happen.
Myrt NF - 3 -
Toka - 0 -

Zero: I want the A6M3a (range) and A6M5c (armor) models to use. I don't care about the rest. This is primarily for the carriers, with the 3a in a secondary role there. The 5c using drop tanks does a nice job.

My mid war fighters will be the Frank, Tojo (until it's eventually phased out from all the the secondary theaters), George and (rarely) Zero. My goal is to use the IJAAF fighters on the ground as much as possible to preserve the IJNAF pilot pool for the carriers.

My late war fighters will be the Frank, Ki-83, Sam, George and (if I can swing it) Shinden. The only engines needed for them will be the Ha-43 and Ha-45.

I'll use the Helen as the primary IJAAF bomber until Allied air superiority forces me to withdraw them from frontline service. Then they will become ASW platforms.

Night fighters. *Sigh* They all suck. I chose the Dinah and Myrt mainly because of the speed.

I'm not bothering with the Peggy (T). I have no R&D factories to allocate to it and I have plenty of other R&D projects that will need factories down the line. They arrive 9/44 so there won't be any IJAAF torpedo trained pilots until the end of 44. To late, in my opinion, to matter.

I want the D4Y3 as soon as possible. It's worth keeping 2x Ha-60 R&D factories (size 80 & 40) to get the Y1 & Y2 out as early as possible. I'll let the size 80 factory become operational to build up to 500 engines by 2/43. That'll expedite the Y1 & Y2. The Y3 uses the Ha-33. Once I'm working on the Y3, I'll convert the operational Ha-60 engine to something else. Those remaining Ha-60 engines will be used on the Y1 & Y2 models (future kamikazes) along with some recon planes as well.

I'm sure there's more, but let's start with that. Next, engines...

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I'm looking for suggestions on (of all things) IJAAF transports. I really like the Helen transport, but that means more Ha-34 engines for the duration of the war. What do you guys think?


Thalia is quite useful for the extra range...Tabby is the best, but of course that is Navy. If you can live with one less range than the Helen and no armor, the Sally is very good with 3k capacity.

I really use Japanese transports, other JFBs not so much. I even send the Theresa to southern Burma for air lift early on.



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You start out with a Ha-5 factory for the MC-21 Sally. It's more maneuverable, it's 1/3 more durable and has 1/3 more capacity than it's competitors. To me the choice is simple.



That's all good info. I'm torn between the (small) range increase and the load capacity. Most of the time, the transports are hauling supply so the capacity is meaningless. But, whenever they are hauling troops/equipment, it is useful. I do like the Sally transport. I'm going to use the 101 Ha-5 engines to build 50 of them (last engine will be for the museum after the war ), but that's a short term solution. I don't want to dedicate an engine factory for a single plane, especially a transport.

I converted the 4 TR chutai in Manchuoko to the Theresa to train and pulled their better planes into the pools for frontline service.

I am going to build the Ki-57-II for awhile too. It uses the Ha-31 engine, which I use only for the Ki-46-II until it's replaced by the III. There are 245 engines in the pool, so I can build a total of 122 planes (plus the 1 for the museum ). That's also a dead end engine. I'll never build another one. That factory is destined to be converted.

That leaves the Thalia (12-15 range, 2000 load, Ha-35 engine) or the Helen (11-13 range, 3500 load, Ha-34 engine). Only the Ha-35 will be produced throughout the war. I guess that decides it for me. I guess....

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Oscar - 3 - to the III. I can be persuaded to dump this line altogether and just take them as they come. It's mainly for the range. I hate Oscars. Can't keep them alive. All 3 will remain R&D.

Tojo - 6 - to the IIc. I really like the Tojo IIc. It served me very well in the last game. Three will become operational and 3 will remain R&D.


IMO if there's anything to dump it should be the Tojo, but I've been banging the drum on that enough in this thread.

Oscar is pretty essential as it gives you something in the IJA that has reasonably long legs, which is key for the eastern section of the map where distances are.

Operationally, you need to be quite disciplined in how you use Oscars to get the best from them. I keep them sitting exceptionally low, and with good pilots and their fantastic MVR, they can get good outcomes against substantially better Allied planes. After 1942 they are primarily defensive planes, but they do yeoman like work in the CAP furballs at 1-3k altitude.

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George - 12 - to the K5. Three will become operational with the K1 and the remaining 9 will advance through the K2 to the K5.


Is R&D'ing all the way to the K5 with 9 factories worth it? I've felt that the initial benefit of the George comes from the first model, the subsequent two aren't really that much of an improvement compared to the first.

I'd take the first model and move the 9 on to the Shinden. That will do more for the IJNAAF than a slightly better version of the George will.

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Zero: I want the A6M3a (range) and A6M5c (armor) models to use. I don't care about the rest. This is primarily for the carriers, with the 3a in a secondary role there. The 5c using drop tanks does a nice job.


What specific advantage are you hoping to get from the extra range of the M3a using them in carriers?

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I'm not bothering with the Peggy (T). I have no R&D factories to allocate to it and I have plenty of other R&D projects that will need factories down the line. They arrive 9/44 so there won't be any IJAAF torpedo trained pilots until the end of 44. To late, in my opinion, to matter.


That's a mistake IMO.

You want the Peggy anyways as it's faster and longer legged than the Helen.

The torpedo is a nice bonus, and one that you can take advantage of with appropriate planning.

By 1944 you should be swimming in trained IJA bombing pilots, so assuming a 3 month advance on the Peggy T, you can start training NavT on already trained pilots. This will enable you to get pilots able to conduct torpedo attacks effectively in a comparatively short space of time, and boost this as more Peggy squadrons come online.

The other side of the coin is that in the context of 1944 and 1945, the IJN alone will not be able to sustain the losses of trained torpedo bomber pilots and so any weight the IJA can carry (with their increased training capacity) will give the IJN more resilience. Simply put, there are too many demands for IJN torpedo bomber pilots (carrier squadrons, 1E land-based, 2E land-based) and this will get worse as the war progresses and depending on aiframe choice (e.g you want to use the Grace as a multirole).

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Night fighters. *Sigh* They all suck. I chose the Dinah and Myrt mainly because of the speed.


They do all suck.

Dinah seems the most realistic bet for the IJA. The Myrt didn't impress me, I might try the Frances NF going forward in the hopes a more durable airframe will get more mileage.

Some omissions that are key in my mind are:
- IJN recon: The Myrt recon version is a real gem and needs to be brought forward. 29 hex range and radar. Effectively a 4E patrol boat with much less cost that you can run off of carriers. The Judy recon comes early enough that you don't need to R&D that, but the Myrt is a must-have. 29 hexes of naval search is great, 29 hexes of recon is fantastic. For context, you can recon Colombo from Rangoon with that kind of range.

- IJN 2E: Nothing on the P1Y2 Frances seems absolutely insane to my mind. The Y1 model has an SR of 4, so is very hard to use. The more useful Y2 model arrives in 11/44, and it is absolutely essential that it arrives as early in 1944 as it can. The Betty and Nell are simply far to slow (not to mention unarmoured) to be on the frontlines in 1943 and beyond.

- IJA Heavy fighter: I'd like to see the Randy A. If only to supplement the NF squadrons, as you just don't have enough of them to go around.

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