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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/17/2021 8:13:05 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>SU-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-]) Russian Air force NOT just Navy with R-77-1.</summary>
<detail>REF #4582 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2015) (Navy, 2015 New Built 12x)

Imagery clearly showing Russian Air force SU-30SM's with R-77-1 in an apparent operational squadron service in photos from Vladimir Sergeevich dated 2021.

Possibly just a case of amending title of DB3k entry #4582 to remove the "NAVY" reference and copy it.

The Su-30SM has always been slated as carrying the R-77-1 but these photos prove its in operational squadron use with earlier batch Russian air force SU-30SM's not just the newer Navy production batch. From the images it looks possibly to be Domna (Chita) airbase making these 120th IAP fighters.

Would appear the large order for the R-77-1 is finally impacting squadron service, but this Squadron started training with AKU-170 pylons way back in 2016.

So as for an exact in service date for the Air Force who knows?

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/major-russian-contract-for-r-77-1-air-to-air-missiles Big R-77-1 Order placed 2018.
https://russianplanes.net/id288374 image of SU-30SM Bort 50 blue - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons. Operational RuAF not NAVY.
https://russianplanes.net/id288368 image of SU-30SM Bort 18 RED - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons behind bowser truck. Also visible 10 BLACK and 50 BLUE.
</evidence>

Appreciate this is window dressing but for the sake of accuracy and it is only for consideration.
Thanks
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/18/2021 9:18:35 AM

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https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/2021851631-7Cxgf.html

Useful 38 minute Video of Mi-8AMTSh-VN. 08/08/21.

Looks like a newer version of the Vitebsk suite.

Five 12.7mm Kord HMG's, two fixed single forward firing mounts, (one mounted on each of the port / starboard pylons) and flexible single door mounts at the port, starboard doors plus one flexible mount firing from the rear cargo ramp.
The pylon fixed 12.7mm mounts seem to have an increased ammunition feed from inside the helicopter.
Video talks of having 360 weapons coverage to give an idea of the arcs.

ATGM's are likely AT-9 Spiral II Ataka 9M120-1 plus the usual S-8 rockets.

Interesting part will be how many people it can really carry at a full external weapons load, with all door gunners etc.

K

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ORIGINAL: BDukes

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Mi-8AMTSh-VN Russian 2022</summary>
<detail>First production model of Mi-8AMTSh-VN has flown. It's the Russian Spec ops helicopter. I would copy #4568. Add Vibetsk per KLAB's post (2nd Link). Take a look at the 2 sensor globes below, EO and IR. Can likely laze. Speed looks close enough. Note Gun pod loadout and door gun in 1st and 3rd link. IR dampening. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/first-flight-special-forces-mi-8amtsh-vn
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4871982
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27479/Flight_Tests_Begin_of_new_Russian_Mi_8_Special_Operations_Helicopter
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/18/2021 4:48:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>SU-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-]) Russian Air force NOT just Navy with R-77-1.</summary>
<detail>REF #4582 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2015) (Navy, 2015 New Built 12x)

Imagery clearly showing Russian Air force SU-30SM's with R-77-1 in an apparent operational squadron service in photos from Vladimir Sergeevich dated 2021.

Possibly just a case of amending title of DB3k entry #4582 to remove the "NAVY" reference and copy it.

The Su-30SM has always been slated as carrying the R-77-1 but these photos prove its in operational squadron use with earlier batch Russian air force SU-30SM's not just the newer Navy production batch. From the images it looks possibly to be Domna (Chita) airbase making these 120th IAP fighters.

Would appear the large order for the R-77-1 is finally impacting squadron service, but this Squadron started training with AKU-170 pylons way back in 2016.

So as for an exact in service date for the Air Force who knows? </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/major-russian-contract-for-r-77-1-air-to-air-missiles Big R-77-1 Order placed 2018.
https://russianplanes.net/id288374 image of SU-30SM Bort 50 blue - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons. Operational RuAF not NAVY.
https://russianplanes.net/id288368 image of SU-30SM Bort 18 RED - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons behind bowser truck. Also visible 10 BLACK and 50 BLUE.
</evidence>

Appreciate this is window dressing but for the sake of accuracy and it is only for consideration.
Thanks
K

From my personal notes IOC of R-77-1 is 2016, but probably only of a very short series of 30xR-77-1. Showed in Syria in 2016, deployed from 2016 in Su-35S, some 450-500 delivered to late 2017, and more widely deployed from then in these other types: MIG-29KR, MIG-29SMT, MIG-29M?, MIG-31BM, Su-27M/M3, Su-34 and Su-30SM (this one only from 3/2018). Exported to China from 2017.

Adding some sources with basically the same information:
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/major-russian-contract-for-r-77-1-air-to-air-missiles
https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2019/07/russia-high-speed-air-to-air-missile-upgrade

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/18/2021 9:38:40 PM

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Hypothetical Unit Request: F1-11F Super Tiger

F-11F Super Tiger Version 98J-5 Export
Hypothetical Aircraft

As per the CWDB post.

-Export version, presumably without carrier capability.
-Has a J79 engine which boosts its performance to the in-practice maximum (ie, top speed Mach 1.6) for most fighter aircraft.
-Multirole capability, as shown in the (linked) picture.
-Was tested with Bullpup missiles in addition to the bombs shown.
-Radar an "APQ-50 type".

Should be either "Generic" or "None" similar to how the F-20 currently is in the DB3K. While the F-11 would have been long out of American service by the time the DB3K's timeframe is entered, it could easily have stayed around in export customers in that time period.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/19/2021 6:43:13 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Nice IRST diagram to show what US IRST is on what aircraft.</summary>
<detail> </detail>
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https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1428354051394076676/photo/1
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/19/2021 7:32:14 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Gripen Loadout updates</summary>
<detail>In general it looks like 1 meteor pylon is missing from strike loadouts for C/D/E/F. First image 2 GBU-10 center, fuel tank, 1 IRST, 1 Meteor each wing. Second 1 Litening 2 center, 1 large fuel tank center, 8 GBU-29, 1 Meteor, 1 IRST each wing. 3rd- 2 GBU-49 centerline, 2 Meteors, 1 Iris-T each wing. 4th Image-new Jammer Pod (note 2020 image and 2019 image). Looks like the pod is called EAJP. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defencetalk.com/military/photos/gripen-demo-flying-with-heavy-load.34912/
https://defenceview.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/rafal-7.jpg
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Gripen-E-1.jpg
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-05/saab-adds-globaleye-finnish-gripen-offer
https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2019/saabs-new-electronic-attack-jammer-pod-in-the-air
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/outsmarting-the-threats-saabs-new-ew-systems
https://www.facebook.com/saabtechnologies/videos/electronic-attack-jammer-pod/682407532249011/
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/22/2021 9:34:41 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please update load-out F-15I Raam, Israeli Air Force</summary>
<detail>Loadout visible with 3x GBU-31's, with, on one side 1x AIM-120 and 1x Python-4/5 A-A missiles. Probably also possible on the other side.

Because not all targets are far away as Iran, a short range heavy load-out is useful for scenarios. Photo in Flickr is in higher resolution.</detail>

<evidence>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jlt_egcc74/47864194221/
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 8:44:53 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please consider some updates on the Israeli F-15 variants</summary>
<detail>
1. There is a F-15D Baz variant with ELK-1891 SATCOM beyond line of sight equipment (bubble behind the cockpit). First picture I found on internet was taken in 2015. Possibly to act as a Command and Control element for other A/C or UAV control.

From the manufacturer: The innovative ELK-1891 Ku-band SATCOM network was selected for its exceptional performance on rotary wing platforms. ELTA has developed a unique capability for enabling helicopter rotor penetration by mitigating rotor masking. Furthermore, the system offers high spectral efficiency and Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) capabilities, as well as relatively minor integration and installation requirements on-board the helicopter. The system enables Voice and IP data transmission and includes a 30cm dish antenna, High Power Amplifier (HPA), modem and interface to the aircraft avionics.

2. F-15I Raam and the F-16I Sufa have the same ELK-1891 SATCOM equipment. See database picture in CMO.</detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airhistory.net/photo/140541/957
https://www.flickr.com/photos/toonaew/48683390802/in/photostream/
https://www.aviationmegastore.com/elk-1891-satcom-for-f15d-and-f15i-raam-idf-qmt-qmt-r48016-scale-modelling/product/?action=prodinfo&art=158001
https://helihub.com/2017/10/17/iai-elta-to-provide-helicopter-satcom-network-systems-to-key-customer/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/xnir/31605807303
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 9:17:36 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please consider some updates on the Israeli F-15 variants</summary>
<detail>
1. In the #3208 F-15C/D [Akef-2000] 2004 database variant, the F-15 C/D's have no #310 750 USG CFTs in their A-A load-outs. These where available in the F-15C/D earlier entries of the database. In the latest entry the CFTs are only available on A/G load-outs.
Evidence shows they still fly in this configuration for XL range.
Also configurations of the CFTs together with external fuel tanks. For XXL range

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Please note that they still carry the Python-3 missile which is not available in the Database for the newest variants. Please also check the combination of AMRAAM and Sparrows.

<evidence>
https://imgur.com/gallery/M2AlmOy
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/1100850746919129088/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/1100850731085647872/photo/1
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17102/israel-is-treating-americas-throw-away-f-15d-eagles-as-new-found-treasure
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39648/israeli-f-15s-were-armed-with-old-missiles-during-b-52-escort
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128269948@N05/48792560948/in/photolist-2hkCCsQ-2k4cvUz-2kTQG4L-5Bno4b-5jVZzZ-RiTBZB-HAUnm4-2heWGVh-2gVikgB-DgtvGu-2gRyneJ-2kTQfUp-2gSV8SQ-2gTqQbo-2i8Q2xo-2hfJpTY-2hb6aBk-2hiLXfi-2h6WPyu-gxrbzh-7KTGnu-m9bGnu-2h6W6NK-2iU3rFS-2i8NXfX-2heVfWP-2h6W5Vc-2hgRSA7-2hgJjG9-2iwhLjR-wxyqaS-2hgTXYF-2h6WP5d-2hf7Wpm-wnTZ7n-2h6W6Sn-2i9Kre1-2iTJR3n-aeC963-2h6WPnC-xyKkeb-2h9RJ36-2hfZjaV-37yGdT-2i8Q2zC-GLvoN3-6vPSTB-2jgHEDf-4fWmj8-wgFBQz
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 10:03:05 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add F-16C block-40 with Spice-1000 bombs </summary>
<detail>
The Spice-1000 is now only available on the #4783 F-16D block-40 (Israel -2018) and not on the F-16C Blk 40.
<detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2018/march/4145-spice-1000-guided-bomb-reaches-ioc-with-iaf-f-16c-d-fighter-jets.html
https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/foto/an-f-16c-barak-of-the-israeli-air-force-takes-off-royalty-free-beeld/181828679
<evidence>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 10:35:15 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add #3671 Condor2 Recce Pod for Israeli F-16C/D block-40 and F-16I Sufa and F-15 Baz</summary>
<detail>
Possibly this pod is also available on the Blk 30 F-16s because the manufacturer talks about RF-4 and F-16 in general?
<detail>

<evidence>
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_002.jpg%3Fm%3D1371913883&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_002&tbnid=vyORqWK2AX5MQM&vet=12ahUKEwifhrGS48byAhUE-xoKHaQDC3AQMygAegUIARCZAQ..i&docid=ozUSH5bh-ijc4M&w=970&h=728&q=F-16c%20condor%202%20pod&ved=2ahUKEwifhrGS48byAhUE-xoKHaQDC3AQMygAegUIARCZAQ
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_001_001.JPG%3Fm%3D1371937656&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_001_001&tbnid=SUEb0ILV-38qOM&vet=10CAMQxiAoAGoXChMIwPL5l-PG8gIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAI..i&docid=9jI8cfFLmL-itM&w=970&h=649&itg=1&q=F-16c%20condor%202%20pod&ved=0CAMQxiAoAGoXChMIwPL5l-PG8gIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAI
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_001_001.JPG%3Fm%3D1371937656&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-16.net%2Fg3%2Ff-16-photos%2Falbum07%2Falbum08%2F542_001_001&tbnid=SUEb0ILV-38qOM&vet=10CAMQxiAoAGoXChMIwPL5l-PG8gIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAI..i&docid=9jI8cfFLmL-itM&w=970&h=649&itg=1&q=F-16c%20condor%202%20pod&ved=0CAMQxiAoAGoXChMIwPL5l-PG8gIVAAAAAB0AAAAAEAI#imgrc=SUEb0ILV-38qOM&imgdii=LSLlBczYwgHH_M
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/1100850746919129088/photo/1
https://elbitsystems.com/landing/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/un_CONDOR-2-un-Long-Range-Oblique-Photograpgy-System.pdf
http://online.anyflip.com/pcle/nbyx/files/basic-html/page353.html
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 10:51:18 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add the IAI ELM-2060 SAR/ GMTI Recce Pod for the F-16C.</summary>
<detail>
The IAI EL/M-2060P is a high performance Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) with Ground Moving Target Indicator (GMTI) reconnaissance system. The complete system consists of the SAR/GMTI and a C, X or Ku band data link mounted in a 590 kg pod that can be carried externally on a variety of fighter aircraft, together with a Ground Exploitation Station (GES). The EL/M-2060P is capable of producing images of near photographic quality in all weathers, day or night and transmitting the images in near real-time via the data link over a range of over 250 miles to the GES. The SAR/GMTI can operate in either STRIP Mode, for coverage of very large areas at stand-off ranges, or SPOT mode to obtain a high resolution image of an area of interest. The data is also recorded on-board allowing it to also be interpreted once the aircraft has landed. The GES can be installed in either a fixed or transportable location and is equipped with a variety of workstations to allow rapid data reporting and exploitation.
<detail>

<evidence>
https://spyflight.co.uk/recce_pods/#ELM-2060
https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems/ELM-20600/a001268
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 4:43:54 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add the AIM-9X as a weapon for the US MQ-9.</summary>
<detail>

US Air Force's 556th Test and Evaluation Squadron successfully used the MQ-9, equipped with the AIM-9X Block 2, to engage a Cruise Missile surrogate (BQM-167) in 2020.

The service expects to have 71 MQ-9s upgraded to M2DO configuration. Retrofits are �already ongoing in the field,� AFLCMC said. The Air Force has about 270 MQ-9s, and the type also serves with three allied countries and are on order with three others.

A contract to cut-in the M2DO configuration on the General Atomics production line is still in negotiation and is expected to be awarded in January 2022, AFLCMC said.<detail>

<evidence>
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1431764308753530882
https://www.creech.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2343561/abms-onramp-2-sees-second-mq-9-aim-9x-shot-and-other-cmd-tactics-development/CreechAirForceBase/
https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-to-upgrade-mq-9s-mission-and-capabilities-for-near-peer-fight/
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/23/2021 7:21:19 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#1748 Aerostat mooring can't host or land aerostats</summary>
<detail>
Looks like a code changed might of broke the aerostat Mooring. It cannot host numerous kinds of Aerostats. They work fine from airfields etc. So no real emergency.
<detail>
<evidence>
Save file attached to this post-http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=5066625
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/24/2021 2:06:29 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#92 High Explosives and #588 High Explosives [C-4] have 8nm range.</summary>
<detail> #92 High Explosives and #588 High Explosives [C-4] have 8nm range. This range does not make sense for the way they are used with saboteurs. It is perhaps due to typo. In comparison, similar weapon #1305 Terrorist Bomb has a range of 0.1nm. </detail>
<evidence>
Look at weapon entry #92 and #588
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/24/2021 7:56:53 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add new variant of French MQ-9B Reaper with GBU-12 Loadout. IOC 2021.</summary>
<detail>France has now armed its Reapers with GBU-12 (see link 1). Add 2021 version and Add 4 GBU-12 Loadout.</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1430235993953669121
https://twitter.com/warplane_porn/status/1384225193829146629/photo/1
https://news.yahoo.com/french-army-carries-first-ever-drone-strike-during-001322510.html
https://warisboring.com/france-says-oui-to-armed-reaper-drones/
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1999639/source/GovDelivery/
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/27/2021 9:26:03 AM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#308 AN/ALQ-55 is suppose to be a communication jammer, not a DECM.</summary>
<detail>Hi, thanks to Dimitris, who spotted a DB mistake in one of the post I shared about how a B-band DECM doesn't seem to have any functionality. The AN/ALQ-55 used by the EA-6A Electric Intruder 1966 (USN and USMC) and 1986 (USN) is marked as a DECM in the simulation but it's actually a communication jammer in real life.</detail>

<evidence>I would add a link to the source, but I'm too new on this forum to do that, so I have to namedrop Dimitris as a source.</evidence>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/27/2021 12:03:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RayRory

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#308 AN/ALQ-55 is suppose to be a communication jammer, not a DECM.</summary>
<detail>Hi, thanks to Dimitris, who spotted a DB mistake in one of the post I shared about how a B-band DECM doesn't seem to have any functionality. The AN/ALQ-55 used by the EA-6A Electric Intruder 1966 (USN and USMC) and 1986 (USN) is marked as a DECM in the simulation but it's actually a communication jammer in real life.</detail>

<evidence>I would add a link to the source, but I'm too new on this forum to do that, so I have to namedrop Dimitris as a source.</evidence>

Probably a little confussion with ALE-55:
https://www.deagel.com/Protection%20Systems/ANALE-50/a001668

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/28/2021 6:05:43 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>the KDC-10 commercial tanker should have centerline boom refueling</summary>
<detail>DBID 4886 needs to have centerline boom refueling (similar to the Dutch KDCs DBID 3861) since that is the primary purpose of the civil contract - refueling for USAF </detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kdc_10/
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/29/2021 3:09:37 PM

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Great Conservatoire Air et Space d'Aquitaine (CAEA) site on French aircrafts:
https://www.caea.info/en/la-collection/le-materiel/37-collection/avio-de-combat/189-dassault-mirage-iii-e

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/31/2021 2:04:57 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Peruvian Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1983) should include AA-2c Advanced Atoll (R-13M) in the weapon loadout </summary>

<detail> Peru purchased 16 Su-22M in the early 1980s. According to open sources, these were equipped with "advanced atolls", the mid 1970s version of AA-2. In the DB3000 database, it is only showing AA-2a, the much earlier 1960s version.
Peru purchased these 16 planes specifically as fighter-bombers, to provide AA coverage to an earlier (1977) purchase of 32 Su-20 attack planes (these were incapable of carrying AA missiles).
It wouldn't had made much sense to purchase, in 1980, an older, non-dogfighting capable version of the Atoll missile to equip one of your main fighter platforms.</detail>

<evidence>
I don't have hard evidence, just some webpages where it is stated that Peru got "advanced atolls". Therefore it might be better to add R-13 as another weapon loadout option, without eliminating the older AA-2a
https://www.laahs.com/the-sukhoi-su-22-in-peruvian-service/
http://geocities.ws/aviacionperucenepa/AeronavesPeru/Su-22.html
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/31/2021 4:26:22 PM

KLAB

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutr4EWgAAWgfu?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evutp96XMAwvOO-?format=jpg&name=medium

Algerian Yak-130 weapons on display,

Usual S-8 and S-13 rocket packs,
OFAB-100
FAB-100
M-62 and M-54 250kg bombs.
SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun - Gsh-23-2 gun pod.
R-73.
Also appears part of the captive training head of the KAB-500Kr on the centre trolley behind the gun pod.

For consideration
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

https://twitter.com/ShepherdClavis/status/1265810682496327680?s=20

Myanmar is using its Yak-130 in a ground attack role.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Some ideas on Yak-130's in the long term:

For consideration as the Mitten seems to be doing quite well on the exports front especially with countries likely to use them for dropping stuff:

#3952 - Yak-130 Mitten (Russia [1992-] - 2010)
Almost certainly doesn't have the Oca radar it currently has in the DB3k-483
The images from the VKS RuAF all show the basic non radar version in service primarily as an advance trainer.
The radar equipped version is a concept light fighter and attack aircraft which is not in service or production. Dubbed the Yakovlev Yak-131.

It is also doubtful if the KAB-500Kr is a weapon the Yak-130 is used with in VKS/RuAF service even if it is capable of it, that's my opinion based on the lack of operational aircraft seen with the weapon.

The FAB-250/500 OFAB RBK dumb bombs e.t.c and S-13/S-8 e.t.c rocket loads are generically suitable for all the exported Yaks as below:

Plus Yak-130's can use the SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun pack on the centreline and several of the exported ones have been seen with it.
So the GSh-23L 23 mm automatic cannon - #1800 - 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]could be added to the load outs.

#3953 - Yak-130 Mitten (Algeria - 2015) (And was probably in service in about 2012 as the first deliveries were in November 2011)
Algerian Yak's certainly have air to ground weaponry, have flare and chaff dispensers and a SNPU-130 pod 23mm gun pack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU6N41jrwHg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/karim23185/7432828140/
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2011/11/29/648/?h
Plus the (non radar equipped) Yak-130 with air to ground weaponry would be a useful addition for the following, almost all the images show the aircraft with pylons and for these air forces I doubt they have the luxury of jets just for training:

Belarus. Has at least 8 and counting since 2015.
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9078441
https://defence-blog.com/news/belarus-received-four-new-russian-yak-130-combat-and-training-aircraft.html.

Bangladesh. The BAF did have 16 but now has 15,they entered service in 2015.
https://defpost.com/bangladesh-air-force-yak-130-combat-trainer-crashes/

Laos. Has at least 4. "The aircraft arrived at the Vientiane air force station aboard Russian Il-76TD strategic airlifters in December 2018"
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-01-21/laos-receives-yak-130-combat-jet-trainers

Mynamar.
https://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com/2017/02/myanmar-receives-its-first-three-yak-130.html?m=0
http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5dee5852c4263c2b238b4a60/myanmar-s-yak-130-trainings-with-various-weapons

The number of Yak 130 ordered by Myanmar is not known, the initial contract for the first 3 units was signed in June 2015.

Vietnam Latest customer with 12 for Vietnam, contract signed in 2020.
https://www.meta-defense.fr/en/2020/01/29/vietnam-acquires-12-yak-130-training-aircraft-from-moscow/ .
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2020/01/29/821674-vetnam-zaklyuchil

https://youtu.be/MUHFVPE_wBE

Thanks very much for the latest updates and patience with the relentless requests and amendments.

K

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/31/2021 4:50:14 PM

Jorge_Stanbury

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary> Libya needs a missile capable Su-22 for "Gulf of Sidra" 1981 incident</summary>

<detail> In DB3000 database, Libya has the following Su-20/ 22 available for a possible 1981 scenario against USN:
Su-20M Fitter D (1980)
Su-22M Fitter F (1981)
neither is AA capable, but as we all know, in Aug. 19, 1981 during the "Gulf of Sidra incident", a Libyan Su-22 fired an AA-2 "Atoll" against a USN F-14s (and paid the consequences soon afterwards)
so either one of these models (or both) should include AA missiles

another option: change the date of either:
Su-22M-2K Fitter H (1982) or
Su-22M-3K Fitter J (1982)
to 1981

As per the missiles: R-3S and R-13M were available, according to "War is Boring" webpage:
"Sukhoi Su-22 and Su-22M fighter-bombers armed with R-3S and R-13M air-to-air missiles � NATO code name AA-22 Atoll � scrambled"
(...)
Moment later, he fired one R-13M missile that, he claimed, destroyed the lead F-14.

</detail>

<evidence>
https://warisboring.com/the-libyans-describe-a-different-version-of-their-1981-battle-with-the-u-s-navy/
</evidence>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/3/2021 6:01:12 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add Russian 48Ya6-K1 Podlet-K1 Mobile Radar. 2015</summary>
<detail>More recent data. These are common in Russian orbats now. .</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defenceturk.net/rusya-nebo-m-ve-podlet-k1-radarlarini-rusyanin-uzak-dogusuna-konuslandirildi
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/48%D0%AF6-%D0%9A1_%C2%AB%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%C2%BB
https://maps.southfront.org/advanced-low-altitude-radars-spotted-in-hmeimim-airbase/
https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/karte040.en.html
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2020/12/16/russian-tor-m1-missile-system-repulsed-an-attack-of-drones-near-chelyabinsk/
https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?t=7101&start=840
https://en.topwar.ru/159952-opublikovany-sputnikovye-snimki-s-rls-podlet-k1-na-aviabaze-hmejmim.html
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Base-in-Tartus-Syria.html
https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems/Podlet-K1/a003662
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/1263500157750034432
https://twitter.com/Lorkeske/status/1226573555862732800/photo/1
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/6/2021 4:38:23 AM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add the ability to target Mobile Units (Hard) to PrSM Spiral 1, 2, and 3 500kg warhead variants. Also, add the ability to target Land Structures (Hard) to the Spiral 2, and 3 variants.</summary>
<detail>The standard PrSM 500kg version can target both hard and soft mobile units and land structures, while follow on versions lack that capability, with Spiral 1 not being able to target Hard Mobile Units, and Spirals 2 and 3 not being able to target Hard Land Structures on top of that.. It would make sense to bring them in line with each other</detail>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/6/2021 8:19:41 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Correct M88 engine for all the Rafales because it's turbofan not turbojet</summary>
<detail>The Propulsion category for all the Rafales says that M88 is turbojet</detail>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/7/2021 2:00:27 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Could you change helo mounted weapons to have valid target helo? At the very least I was trying to simulate Apache vs Hind:</summary>
<detail>

INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('2001','1002');

INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('28','1002');

INSERT INTO DataWeaponTargets (ID,CodeID)
VALUES ('1042','1002');

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/7/2021 5:55:57 PM

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I posted this as a feature request sometime back as it seems like it would affect a broad group of missiles and a doctrine setting option similar to the "use SAMs in ASuW mode" but for AAMs would be the easiest solution. But I'm going to post here as maybe it will get more traffic.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4709794&mpage=7&key=ASUW%2CMode�

From the evidence it looks like at least some air to air missiles should be able to be used against ground and surface targets either intentionally through design or it was discovered through some unintentional means.

"I remembered this interview with a Brit Phantom driver who mentioned practicing with the Sparrow as an ASuW weapon off Vieques with the USN. He referred as well to the friendly fire incident when the USAF hit HMAS Hobart and USS Boston. Which I believe is also what Clancy was referring to in RSR when the F-15s said they were out of missiles when they strafed the Fucik. Plus the A2G abilities of AIM-9X and IRIS-T.

I was thinking about how this could be implemented in Command. The F-102 with A2G Falcons is in the CWDB as a specialized mod aircraft. Rather than make numerous specialty mod units or loadouts I was thinking that a WRA flag of "use AAMs in ASuW role" could be added and when checked any missiles with the capability could be employed against ground or surface targets."

https://hushkit-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/hushkit.net/2017/07/31/flying-the-f-4-phantom-ii-british-style/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15910624491184&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fhushkit.net%2F2017%2F07%2F31%2Fflying-the-f-4-phantom-ii-british-style%2F

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boston_(CA-69)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29158/the-aim-9x-sidewinder-may-finally-evolve-into-a-completely-new-and-longer-range-missile

http://www.janes.com/article/66304/diehl-develops-air-to-surface-capability-for-iris-t-aam

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/7/2021 6:35:52 PM

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<type>Add</type>
<summary>Specialized Marine Craft Type-II - Singapore (Navy)</summary>
<detail>Fast LO patrol/SOF craft</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.hisutton.com/Special%20Operations%20Stealth%20Semi-Submarines%20demystified.html
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a18361/singapores-new-fast-patrol-boat-is-practically-a-submarine/
<evidence>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/8/2021 12:15:19 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add anti-air capabilities to Hellfire missile</summary>
<detail>Apparently they can target aerial threats and that dual use capability seems to be part of the reason it is used on the M-SHORAD. Seems the Israelis have downed a Lebanese Cessna and an Iranian UAV.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/hellfire-ii-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40311/the-army-has-started-fielding-its-first-new-short-range-air-defense-system-in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/05/24/israel.plane.02/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html
<evidence>

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/hellfire-ii-missile/
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-a1/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40311/the-army-has-started-fielding-its-first-new-short-range-air-defense-system-in-decades
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/05/24/israel.plane.02/index.html?_s=PM:WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Jt_Vy4Mj0
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-761410,00.html

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