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Steam? - 2/9/2021 7:48:51 PM

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Will the game be released onto Steam or will Matrix be the only place to buy it?

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RE: Steam? - 3/3/2021 9:21:54 PM

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I hope they stay away from steam. That way the developers can concentrate on one pure version. Steam may pick up a few sales but there will be loss of players on the back-end that offsets that profit. Plus, no one can prove that those steam sales would not have occurred thru Matrix anyway. Our community [wargames, historical simulation] is better off without steam.

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RE: Steam? - 3/4/2021 4:55:54 PM

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I hope they stay away from steam. That way the developers can concentrate on one pure version. Steam may pick up a few sales but there will be loss of players on the back-end that offsets that profit. Plus, no one can prove that those steam sales would not have occurred thru Matrix anyway. Our community [wargames, historical simulation] is better off without steam.

With all due respect, that�s just nonsense.

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RE: Steam? - 3/5/2021 1:17:32 AM

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I've worked closely with two games that have suffered greatly by having to maintain two versions. There is no nonsense involved, it's very serious business. But I am not here to debate with steam users, only to forward my experience so that others may be better informed.

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RE: Steam? - 3/5/2021 2:43:55 AM

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jaw sagged somewhat but now back in place. All I can say is there are a lot of suffering games out there.

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RE: Steam? - 3/5/2021 10:25:46 AM

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I've worked closely with two games that have suffered greatly by having to maintain two versions. There is no nonsense involved, it's very serious business. But I am not here to debate with steam users, only to forward my experience so that others may be better informed.

Probably poor design.
Not debating, why should I...

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RE: Steam? - 3/5/2021 10:30:26 AM

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...besides, in case you have failed to notice - it appears that VR is more than capable of successfully releasing and maintaining its games on Steam over a prolonged period of time.

Not a Steam fanboy, but your advice is full of bias - experience and all.
Again not interested in debating, but stating the obvious.

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RE: Steam? - 3/5/2021 4:18:15 PM

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So far we have always released my games like 2-6 months after Matrix release on Steam, so... I don't think Ardennes will be any different :)

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 9:18:12 AM

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I hope they stay away from steam. That way the developers can concentrate on one pure version. Steam may pick up a few sales but there will be loss of players on the back-end that offsets that profit. Plus, no one can prove that those steam sales would not have occurred thru Matrix anyway. Our community [wargames, historical simulation] is better off without steam.

This is a very poor take.

I like to purchase my games through Steam due to the convenience it provides and its adjustable currency rates. Given the option, I'll always purchase on Steam first before anywhere else.

Wargaming is absolutely not "better off without Steam", as made evident by the recent release of Combat Mission games which brought in a lot of new players to the genre.

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 3:16:38 PM

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I like to purchase my games through Steam due to the convenience it provides and its adjustable currency rates.

This has nothing to do with games. Don't say I have a poor take when you don't understand the issue. Combat Mission? This game [pictured below] is in no way the type of game that I am referring to. Steam has a place for some games, but not the ones I am speaking of [such as Decisive Campaigns, Strategic Command, or TOAW]. You can certainly have your games and your convenience of purchase, but don't defend that to the detriment of others. Some of us know how to download and install games, and some of us know how to convert currency, therefore some of us don't need our developers to spend time maintaining two separate versions of our games [one or the other of which generally do not work].

This is no historical simulation:

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 3:43:42 PM

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To Steam or not to Steam, that's not the question.🙃 I've mentioned it in another thread here; Vic's new DC4 system is perfect to convert some of the classic scenarios from V4V, as well as Battlefront and other games. The logistic, supply and event system of DC4 alone would make it worth doing it, no? Just my 2c.So, let's prepare for it. Prepare some OOBs, learn how to make some maps (you can use DC:CP to see how it works, incl. map overlay function) and so on.👍

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 4:09:06 PM

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Ok, I'm going to ask a dumb question.

What is DC:CP? I think the DC part is Decisive Campaigns but I can't figure the CP part. I'd like to look at this for future reference in map making.

Community Project, the link is here DC Community Project

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 5:32:39 PM

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My mistake, should have clarified it and posted the link as well. As I said, modding made easy with Vic's system.

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RE: Steam? - 3/13/2021 8:49:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: MarechalJoffre

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I hope they stay away from steam. That way the developers can concentrate on one pure version. Steam may pick up a few sales but there will be loss of players on the back-end that offsets that profit. Plus, no one can prove that those steam sales would not have occurred thru Matrix anyway. Our community [wargames, historical simulation] is better off without steam.

This is a very poor take.

I like to purchase my games through Steam due to the convenience it provides and its adjustable currency rates. Given the option, I'll always purchase on Steam first before anywhere else.

Wargaming is absolutely not "better off without Steam", as made evident by the recent release of Combat Mission games which brought in a lot of new players to the genre.

Don�t bother, it is a broken record...

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RE: Steam? - 8/31/2021 3:02:07 PM

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well
Once the early adopters buy as a developer why not use steam? and then
as a user
I like it that I can go buy a pc, add steam and start installing my; " using now games "

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RE: Steam? - 8/31/2021 10:30:44 PM

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Yes, it's very convenient. So is drinking your own urine.

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RE: Steam? - 9/1/2021 3:21:29 AM

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if it stops the unwashed posting about 'how to the install teh patch or my monies back you bastaRDS' then how can it not be embraced by those bothered by such questions.

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RE: Steam? - 9/1/2021 3:33:36 PM

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Yes, it's very convenient. So is drinking your own urine.

You will need to help me as its been a bit

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RE: Steam? - 9/2/2021 1:05:09 AM

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I'm just saying, please don't blindly and ignorantly chastise someone or something because of ignorance and laziness. I.E., you may love steam, or vaccinations, but leave the rest of the world to live steam free, and vaxx free. All I've ever done is try to explain why steam is bad for our niche, and I am often ridiculed unfairly for telling the truth. I've said often that steam is good for some, just not us. It is adding to the degradation of our hobby. The only 'argument' for it is always 'oh, I'm too lazy or stupid to learn how to manipulate files on my computer so I need steam to do it for me'.

Give the rest of us a break and get with the 90's for chrissakes.

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RE: Steam? - 9/2/2021 7:56:53 AM

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Time for meds�

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RE: Steam? - 9/2/2021 3:59:49 PM

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Vic has already stated his position in post #8. Maybe it would be best to lock this thread as it has no relevance to the game at this point.

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RE: Steam? - 11/8/2021 9:21:09 PM

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Per Steam, I am not a fan...but recognize that Steam is very popular with many gamers. (& sometimes, necessary for multiplayer & mods)
More so than, sadly, other reputable gaming stores such as Slitherine & Matrix for games of this genre.
Which, btw, usually give out Steam Keys.
One plus for this game, eventually, coming to Steam is how easy it will be to 'gift' it.

Shadow Empire is even on GOG now, so that will be a viable (favorite of many) site at some point.

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RE: Steam? - 11/9/2021 1:18:35 AM

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The best solution is bought it from Matrix and get your STEAM serial number when it released on Steam several month.
I think bought from Matrix could make better profit for developers, and using STEAM is much easier for users to update games automatically.

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RE: Steam? - 11/12/2021 1:23:22 PM

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Good to know it's coming to Steam. Guess I have to wait few more months :)

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RE: Steam? - 11/13/2021 1:45:45 PM

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The best solution is bought it from Matrix and get your STEAM serial number when it released on Steam several month.
I think bought from Matrix could make better profit for developers, and using STEAM is much easier for users to update games automatically.

I agree with a lot of you.

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RE: Steam? - 11/13/2021 2:40:06 PM

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I always buy from Matrix and then add the Steam code when it gets there.

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RE: Steam? - 11/13/2021 3:38:44 PM

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It may be interesting to have both versions of the same game(Steam and Matrix) installed allowing to play with a mod on one version and keep the original game with the other version.

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