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Admiral Scheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Scn 4... - 9/8/2021 11:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have just started a campaign game with Deaniks ( Dean) . 2 day turns PBEM. Scn 42 Empire - No CV at PH.

I thought it would be interesting to write a AAR about just one ship in this case it will be the surface raider Admiral Sheer commanded by Cpt.Theodore Krancke.

The Indian Ocean has always been a bit too safe for the allies... in AE.

Here is the opening position where AS and support ships has evaded the British so far and is awaiting orders from Berlin regarding its future actions against the allies in the Indian Ocean in particular. This ship is part of a wider deployment of MG units that will appear during the game, including some historical bases / U Boats and few aircraft.

The British in particular have plenty of surface units that would like to try and engage this ship as soon as possible. So we have to be careful. Because of the high ammunition usage for surface raiders (causing sudden disengagements) and the availability of support ships I have pimped up this ship slightly (ammo/TT). Also allowed higher cruising speed in general for modern BC and CB.

I thought it would be interesting to see how it goes. Hope some of you will join me for this adventure with the Kreigsmarine.








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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/8/2021 2:10:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting mod, but my teutonic sense of order forces me to point out a few spelling mistakes - "Scheer" not "Sheer", "Deutschland" not "Deutchland" and "Krancke T." instead of "Araki H."

Btw, IRL Krancke left Scheer in June 1941 after a promotion to Rear Admiral and to a desk job, new skipper was Capt. Wilhelm Meendsen-Bohlken.


Oh, and "Oerlikon" instead of Oerikion".

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/8/2021 2:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK and thanks - well pointed out. I will make a note of this for a future patch. Lucky in the alternate history Krancke stayed on :)

BTW the appointed leader when you go to the TF its commanded by Krancke. I do not know why it picks a Japanese commander for the ship when you go to that screen see below??? I am sure I selected K for the TF?

Tks for the interest to follow up.







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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/8/2021 2:54:04 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/9/2021 3:59:10 PM   
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We are advised to head South and look toward the DEI.


Until we see a bit more of the RN it is not good to be within recon range ... Hopefully they will waste units to look for us.
Even that is useful.








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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 3:03:29 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 3:05:35 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 3:06:38 PM   
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At the bottom of the screen is AMC Thor

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 6:41:43 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 7:13:13 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 8:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Ok next turn there is one AO and the other is AMC operating as a separate raider.

I will also post the ammo situation

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 9:00:48 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 9:02:40 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/14/2021 9:03:55 PM   
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And we stop short of more booty - here are the planned moves.

We have been joined by 3 SS.

Then we move away to meet the oiler.

Just hope there are not big surface units ahead.





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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 8:50:02 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 8:52:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firstly the large allied TF searching for Scheer find the oiler !

(no idea what causes the graphics issue)




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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 8:56:34 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 9:00:45 PM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 9:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to Wiki only about 40mm deck armour?
I had the stats as 40mm deck and allow 10% or slightly more durability as a modern design in my mods. So was 70 instead of potentially 60 - did not help.

Other mods are similar - or worse stats. Thanks for commenting.

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 9:12:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Deck armour may not be uniform, there may be more armour over the really vital areas but that is hard to model in this game.

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 9:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		well us I did think that that is one reason I give modern design ships higher Durability than stock calculations. Could not really find anywhere to suggest a higher rating would be in order for the deck. It does seem pretty light to me as well...

Please note was hit by one bomb before that started a fire beforehand - can fires trigger Magazine explosions even if further hits do not??

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 9:50:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes the fires can trigger the Magazine explosions but if the bomb hits and it states Magazine explosion, it probably hit the Chief Petty Officers girly magazine stash and they were just so hot . . .

You may see a message about flooding the magazine due to fires.

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/15/2021 11:38:44 PM   
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well us I did think that that is one reason I give modern design ships higher Durability than stock calculations. Could not really find anywhere to suggest a higher rating would be in order for the deck. It does seem pretty light to me as well...

Please note was hit by one bomb before that started a fire beforehand - can fires trigger Magazine explosions even if further hits do not??

Please... The German Pocket Battleships were efforts to put battleship caliber guns on a heavy cruiser displacement of 10,000 tons. The 11 inch gun was chosen to give more guns than a 15 inch gun would allow as the expected scenario was to outrun capital ships and out-gun cruisers. They did not have a good DP gun for secondary so they went with the WWI design of a 5.9" secondary armament and a 4.1" heavy AA. So the Germans had to sacrifice armour for the gun power they wanted. They thought their side armour would keep out 6" shells but at the River Plate battle they found it was not so. It is no surprise the deck armour could not cope with a 500 lb SAP bomb. Even with the light deck armour, the Germans had to remove/not install the armoured conning tower to improve seaworthiness. Too much gun, not enough protection.

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/16/2021 2:03:26 AM   
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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/16/2021 2:16:49 PM   
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well us I did think that that is one reason I give modern design ships higher Durability than stock calculations. Could not really find anywhere to suggest a higher rating would be in order for the deck. It does seem pretty light to me as well...

Please note was hit by one bomb before that started a fire beforehand - can fires trigger Magazine explosions even if further hits do not??

Please... The German Pocket Battleships were efforts to put battleship caliber guns on a heavy cruiser displacement of 10,000 tons. The 11 inch gun was chosen to give more guns than a 15 inch gun would allow as the expected scenario was to outrun capital ships and out-gun cruisers. They did not have a good DP gun for secondary so they went with the WWI design of a 5.9" secondary armament and a 4.1" heavy AA. So the Germans had to sacrifice armour for the gun power they wanted. They thought their side armour would keep out 6" shells but at the River Plate battle they found it was not so. It is no surprise the deck armour could not cope with a 500 lb SAP bomb. Even with the light deck armour, the Germans had to remove/not install the armoured conning tower to improve seaworthiness. Too much gun, not enough protection.


Too much top, not enough bottom. Just like some people who are enhanced but just don't look right.

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RE: Admiral Sheer - Raider In the Indian Ocean AAR - Sc... - 9/16/2021 4:07:02 PM   
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