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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 9:01:00 PM   
HardLuckYetAgain


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Rzhev

No rail conversion or Depot here yet. I do have almost all units within 3 hexes of a depot which is not the best thing but in this instance I got 7 planes for free that bombed the hex in the previous snapshot :)




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 9:08:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 9:11:21 PM   
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The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.


True :) Thank you for that.

Now to see why the LI2's are so darn tough.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 9:17:08 PM   
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A third of planes lost to Flak seems a very heavy toll in general. I was not aware there were SAMs (in general) in '41!
I do not know the altitude and things like that but it seems that flak is highly destructive - beyond the dissuasive and disrupting normal function.

But I assume as interception does not work well presently and the like... this is the way to go.


I do know Germans started a program in WWII with SAM's :) At least I think I remember reading that a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall


OH!!! Thank you Aurelian! I thought I read something about this long ago. I also remember reading about Germans using Helicopters in Southern Russia too. Is that true too?



Not sure if it's true, but: http://worldwartwo.filminspector.com/2019/12/german-helicopters-of-world-war-ii.html

And before you ask :) Fritz-X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293


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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 10:13:56 PM   
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The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.

Sure if you fly several hundreds of planes in one formation Flak will have a field day. But that wasn't the case on the Eastern front. Most ops were conducted by no more than 10-15 planes. Losing 1 plane to Flak (10%) IMHO would be an acceptable rate and increase significantly for larger groups.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 10:33:02 PM   
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Naval

Of course I failed my 1st attempt here in this game. Did not help I missed a squadron for flying. Nor the fact that I had all my Naval aircraft in my reserves, LOL. I have them on the map now so should help open this up even though I have my rail supply pretty close to the front now :) No Naval auto-interceptions have happened since upgraded to .09 :(

Finally will work on Air for a bit now since I have an hour or so of free time.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 10:42:54 PM   
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Supply

I have a TON of freight sitting on ports in the back. I know they get priority 1st & believe it is hindering supply going east. Maybe I am wrong but can't be a good thing. I am going to set these to "zero" and see what happens this turn. Just WOW on the amount of freight back here.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 10:44:00 PM   
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Again a TON of freight sitting here :(




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 10:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heading straight north or westerly directions are rail lines that are not typically used in supplying the eastern front so it is easy to get freight in those directions.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 11:24:01 PM   
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Heading straight north or westerly directions are rail lines that are not typically used in supplying the eastern front so it is easy to get freight in those directions.



But takes up SMP's getting freight to these locations that could be used going East. So if I shut them to zero then those depots won't get freight and thus head towards depots further to the East in my thinking. Is that not correct? Plus those ports get allocated Freight before normal depots so has to be taking away freight going East, correct Carlkay58?

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 11:46:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Export Ports get freight allocated beforehand - not Import Ports.

That's one of the reasons in the Feature requests I asked for the switch business. You can easily set an amount of ports to Import Ports to 1 or 0 and they should release their freight over time. Also without the supposed 'local need' I am not sure why they're stocking so much either! But Konigsberg has air units closeby that feeds from it.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 11:52:13 PM   
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Export Ports get freight allocated beforehand - not Import Ports.

That's one of the reasons in the Feature requests I asked for the switch business. You can easily set an amount of ports to Import Ports to 1 or 0 and they should release their freight over time. Also without the supposed 'local need' I am not sure why they're stocking so much either! But Konigsberg has air units closeby that feeds from it.


Ya, but still getting a ton of freight on both.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 1:04:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it does use up SMPs but it is also reaching the western edge of the map to gain those SMPs while the more eastern depots do not even reach back to Poland. I have observed that rail capacity limits freight movement much more than transport capacity. So unused track is not as much a burden on the supply net as heavily used track.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 1:45:01 PM   
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Yes it does use up SMPs but it is also reaching the western edge of the map to gain those SMPs while the more eastern depots do not even reach back to Poland. I have observed that rail capacity limits freight movement much more than transport capacity. So unused track is not as much a burden on the supply net as heavily used track.



I don't have any units on the Western area so a great deal of freight is sitting there. Thus getting the middle area saturated with freight would be better I would think. Also having just 1 or two export ports should be all that is needed I feel.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 7:02:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forgive me if I’ve missed something obvious here, but you have got ports in the east set to higher priority than these, right ( set to import) ? They should then pull supply from these exporting ports and then move it inland to higher priority depots. If you have and it’s not moving, then that’s got to be a bug or a RTFM I’ve missed too.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 7:44:52 PM   
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Forgive me if I’ve missed something obvious here, but you have got ports in the east set to higher priority than these, right ( set to import) ? They should then pull supply from these exporting ports and then move it inland to higher priority depots. If you have and it’s not moving, then that’s got to be a bug or a RTFM I’ve missed too.


No need to forgive anything, always ask questions I welcome all of them. I have Riga set at three (3) but all the shipping is still going to the export port of Liepaja (bottom left in the picture) which is set at two(2). Parnu set at two(2) & Tallinn set at two(2) for imports are only getting rail supply. This turn I am setting all export ports to zero(0) except for Koenigsberg which I will set at 2. I will set all import ports to zero(0) except for Riga which I think a 3 should be ok. What do you all think? I think all my freight is getting tied up in all of my darn ports first before supply flows east :( At least that is what it feels like.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 8:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		If your nss is set at zero then setting export ports at zero should prevent them getting any supply. They should still export what they have to higher priority ports. This gets muddy when ports are connected by rail to lower priority ports as they will also pull from them making it hard to identify what’s coming from where. Check the event log.
And the 8 key to check port to port traffic.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 8:19:42 PM   
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If your nss is set at zero then setting export ports at zero should prevent them getting any supply. They should still export what they have to higher priority ports. This gets muddy when ports are connected by rail to lower priority ports as they will also pull from them making it hard to identify what’s coming from where. Check the event log.



Berlin is set to Zero. I haven't checked the event log yet on the freight/supply which I usually do at the end of turn but thank you for reminding me since I do forget as I get caught up in the ground phase and just want to hit that end of turn button :-)

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/8/2021 8:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know the feeling. I spent an hour finessing a theory I had where I created a super depot with fbd and hq units but only set it to priority 3 then set neighbouring smaller depots at the front to 4. It drank its fill then fed them to full. It worked!!

Then I remembered I was supposed to be fighting a war and started attacking.

Gary Grigsbys logistics in the east 2 😁(with additional war). Nerd nirvana.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/9/2021 1:29:01 AM   
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I know the feeling. I spent an hour finessing a theory I had where I created a super depot with fbd and hq units but only set it to priority 3 then set neighbouring smaller depots at the front to 4. It drank its fill then fed them to full. It worked!!

Then I remembered I was supposed to be fighting a war and started attacking.

Gary Grigsbys logistics in the east 2 😁(with additional war). Nerd nirvana.


:) Thank you so much for your insight & yes the logistics is a rabbit hole for sure. Hope to figure it out soon, I hope.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/9/2021 1:33:39 AM   
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Recon Center

As many games I have played against people I am pretty sure in front of Moscow has been reinforced with all available forces. At the moment I am not worried about Moscow, it will come in due time. Now what does look good is the Soviet forces around Rzhev. So I recon this area and come back with the following recon snapshot.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/9/2021 1:42:45 AM   
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Center

I have 18 Soviet Divisions in two pockets which should hold till next turn in front of Moscow. #1 priority is Soviet units. I will move to the Bryansk area next to see what I can do there then to the South last. Won't get to it tonight though :(




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 2:22:24 PM   
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So many Air items that I am to the point of just not flying at all. At a minimum just have auto-intercept going.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 2:30:02 PM   
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Orel

Yesterday I was able to do nothing in the game with real life taking all my time. Without further ado here is what I am facing in front of Orel after recon. Seems to be a gap between Orel and Dmitrovsk with no Soviet Units circled in orange. At least Recon did not show a thing.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 5:46:58 PM   
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Orel

Move 3/25 Regiment next to possible Soviet Unit in Woods. no Soviet there. I proceed forward to see if Recon may have missed any other Soviet units.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 5:50:37 PM   
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Orel

After a couple of more hex movement there was not another Soviet unit behind the woods. I set 3/25 Moto Regiment in place and bring up the 62 Inf Division for force 117 Rifle division to retreat west.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 5:58:50 PM   
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Orel

I move 1/25 Moto regiment into place, marked with orange arrow, to force 55 CAV to retreat East. I attack with 45 Infantry and get a retreat east of the Soviet CAV division which will form another pocket of future POW's.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 6:03:06 PM   
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2/25 Moto regiment moves to cut off 269 Rifle division's retreat east marked with orange arrow. I bring up 3/45 regiment to block a sw retreat path and then bring up two PZ Divisions for the attack marked in yellow.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 6:06:47 PM   
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Orel

269 Rifle Division retreats NW as anticipated. Now to set up the capture of 269, which took part in the retreat of 1st PZ during the Russian turn.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/10/2021 6:12:20 PM   
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Orel

I put units into place to pocket 269 Rifle Division for next turn POW's. I attack again Hasty attack with the PZ Divisions & get a retreat.

I now have gone from having 3 units last turn for possible POW's in the Orel area, which did not happen with the Soviets opening that pocket, to now having added 6 more Soviet Divisions as possible POW's for a total of 9 in the Orel area. I like that :-) I am now going to see if possible to get any more Soviet units in the Orel area.

So far will have 27 Soviet Divisions in pockets this turn from around Moscow and Orel. I still have the South to do.




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