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France status at wars end. - 10/8/2021 1:37:30 PM

wobbleguts

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Hi,

Playing as the UK and have won the war again. Hooray for me!

Bit confused about how France ends up. I liberated northern France and conquered vichy. Was expecting either that France re-united as one country (historical) or vichy would be allied occupied (game result). However, France is now 2 separate free countries both 100% allied. This happened in my last UK game as well.

Here is a screen shot of the issue. In this game I conquered Spain/Switzerland/Germany/Italy etc. When I click on those nations it says 'allied occupied'. Vichy France is colored just like these other countries, but it is not occupied.

As you can, northern France is a different colour (ie liberated). But conquered vichy is the same colour as the other conquered countries around it, but is not occupied. All the vichy territories I took in Africa are occupied. Why not vichy itself?

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/8/2021 2:47:40 PM

Hubert Cater

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I believe in this case it is because Vichy joined the Axis in your game and thus it is conquered in the end. If it had joined the Allies then if I remember correctly, it would rejoin France proper once France is liberated.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/8/2021 6:38:47 PM

Zeckke

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right, it will appear a message to rejoin Vichy into France it always shown

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/8/2021 8:31:50 PM

Mithrilotter

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I asked Bill about the mechanics of Vichy rejoining France. He said that once France has been liberated, providing there are no Axis units within 4 hexes of Paris, there is a 75% chance per turn of Vichy France moving 15-25% towards the Allies.

However,since Vichy became a German minor ally, I don't know if Vichy can eventually move back to Allied activation. Even if it can, it may take so long to move from 100% Axis to 100% Allied that the game could easily end first.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 10:39:10 AM

wobbleguts

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

I believe in this case it is because Vichy joined the Axis in your game and thus it is conquered in the end. If it had joined the Allies then if I remember correctly, it would rejoin France proper once France is liberated.

Agreed. Vichy joined the axis because I invaded (and then conquered it). That's probably why it has not re-united with France.

But why is it described as '100% allied' when all the other axis and neutral powers I conquered are 'occupied'. It's a very minor issue but a little confusing. Italy for example is 'occupied' because I took it before the Germans went in. I did the same in Vichy but it is 100% allied.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 10:45:02 AM

Zeckke

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it will rejoin does not matter if were conquered by axis always rejoin

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 10:47:11 AM

wobbleguts

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

it will rejoin does not matter if were conquered by axis always rejoin

No it doesn't and it wasn't taken by the axis. Please read the thread again before replying.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 10:54:23 AM

Zeckke

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

it will rejoin does not matter if were conquered by axis always rejoin

No it doesn't and it wasn't taken by the axis. Please read the thread again before replying.

look you dont even know how to play this game thats firts

second it will rejoin if you know how to play

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 10:59:52 AM

wobbleguts

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

quote:

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

it will rejoin does not matter if were conquered by axis always rejoin

No it doesn't and it wasn't taken by the axis. Please read the thread again before replying.

look you dont even know how to play this game thats firts

second it will rejoin if you know how to play

I see. Understood.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 11:02:00 AM

Zeckke

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quote:

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

quote:

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

it will rejoin does not matter if were conquered by axis always rejoin

No it doesn't and it wasn't taken by the axis. Please read the thread again before replying.

look you dont even know how to play this game thats firts

second it will rejoin if you know how to play

I see. Understood.

look i dont read nobody only bill

to you if you conquer Vichy as ally or as axis it does not matter and you then LIBERATE France always will appear the message to rejoin

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 11:40:20 AM

wobbleguts

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeckke

look i dont read nobody only bill

to you if you conquer Vichy as ally or as axis it does not matter and you then LIBERATE France always will appear the message to rejoin

Got it. Thanks for your help.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 4:44:04 PM

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In a current MP game, USA units took Vichy and Vichy France joined the Allies. Vichy didn't rejoin France which had been liberated a few turns earlier. German units are still within 4 hexes of Paris so the 75% chance of Vichy rejoining France hasn't kicked in.

However, it's cool because I can build Vichy units using USA MPPs. Also, I can upgrade Vichy units to USA tech levels as I build them. The USA is swimming in MPPs and France is MPP poor, so actually I'd rather they didn't recombine for a while.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/10/2021 11:00:13 PM

Mithrilotter

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It's not a 75% per turn chance of Vichy rejoining France per turn. It is a 75% chance per turn of Vichy France moving 15-25% diplomatically towards the Allies.

This may mean than Vichy could have to move from 100% Axis to 100% Allied. That is a diplomatic move of 200% towards the Allies. At a 75% chance per turn of Vichy France moving 15-25% diplomatically towards the Allies. If one gets the lucky 75% chance per turn, times the average of a 20% move towards the Allies, that would take 10 turns. Considering that the base chance for a diplomatic move is only 75%, this is likely to take 13 turns or more to accomplish. That is why I said that it is unlikely to happen before the game ends.

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RE: France status at wars end. - 10/11/2021 5:03:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mithrilotter

It's not a 75% per turn chance of Vichy rejoining France per turn. It is a 75% chance per turn of Vichy France moving 15-25% diplomatically towards the Allies.

This may mean than Vichy could have to move from 100% Axis to 100% Allied. That is a diplomatic move of 200% towards the Allies. At a 75% chance per turn of Vichy France moving 15-25% diplomatically towards the Allies. If one gets the lucky 75% chance per turn, times the average of a 20% move towards the Allies, that would take 10 turns. Considering that the base chance for a diplomatic move is only 75%, this is likely to take 13 turns or more to accomplish. That is why I said that it is unlikely to happen before the game ends.

This hasn't been my experience. In my current MP game I was given the option to allow Vichy to join France proper the turn after German units were forced away from Paris.

Vichy joined the Allies when USA units captured Vichy so they definitely weren't 100% Axis when I captured Paris several turns later. I was actually building Vichy units. My guess is that Vichy was already 100% Allied but they needed just one 75% boost to get the option of joining France.

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