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Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 1:32:53 AM   
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So what is the proper labelling for that? oes ot have to follow
1/10th Div
2/10th Div
3/10th Div

or can it be any numbers , say 12/10th Div, 11th/10 Div 15th/10 Div? Anybody knows?
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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 2:41:30 AM   
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names are irrelevant, relevant ist the data conection of the three to each other. For the merged name relevant is the split unit treated as parent/master unit.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 2:59:23 AM   
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Sorry I'm not following. For example, 10th Rum Division and 8th Rum Division start split. So can I recombine 1/8, 1/10 and 2/10? I looked in the editor and i don't actually see any connection between 1/10, 2/10 and 3/10.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 3:51:14 AM   
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Each division splits in 3 regiments.
So Division X splits in 1/X, 2/X and 3/X.
These 3 precise regiments must be recombined to form up Division X.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 4:15:18 AM   
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Ok but i can't figure out how to break it in editor, and i can't see any link between the existing parts.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 4:52:02 AM   
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Apologies, did not understood it was for the Editor. I am ignorant in that department!

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 10:49:44 AM   
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I believe you can't split Axis minor units.
GC41 starts with multiple split security divs
In Editor/Units you have a button "attached units" on the bottom left, click on it to see the data connection these split units have to each other. the parent unit has links to 3 while the non-parents have a link just to the parent

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 1:04:15 PM   
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I believe you can't split Axis minor units.
GC41 starts with multiple split security divs
In Editor/Units you have a button "attached units" on the bottom left, click on it to see the data connection these split units have to each other. the parent unit has links to 3 while the non-parents have a link just to the parent

Thanks. So do you have to create three units first and then link them?

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 1:59:37 PM   
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Can't you just go the map and press b?

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 2:14:58 PM   
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Can't you just go the map and press b?

doesn't work in editor. I want them to be split up before the start.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 2:30:44 PM   
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If the Division is frozen it must be unfrozen first. Then you can use the button (next to fortify) to break it down or build it up.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 2:46:48 PM   
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If the Division is frozen it must be unfrozen first. Then you can use the button (next to fortify) to break it down or build it up.

It's not frozen.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 3:04:35 PM   
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What kind of division? Not all nation's divisions can be split. I dont think rumanian, Soviet and hungarian infantry divisions may be split. The manual may reference which ones may and may not be split. Sometimes I run across strange situations in which the editor won't allow me to split German divisions for some reason. When this happens, I clear out the editor unit entry and replace it with a fresh entry. That usually fixes the problem.




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If the Division is frozen it must be unfrozen first. Then you can use the button (next to fortify) to break it down or build it up.

It's not frozen.



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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 3:34:16 PM   
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Rumanian and Slovakian divisions will split and recombine. I have done it. To split or recombine a Division it must have a movement point and not be frozen. All Rumanian ground units are frozen at start. In the editor unfreeze the division, (right unit screen click on freeze set to zero) go to the off map unit box and assign its movement points (including SMP) and then return to map. Stack regiments and make sure all are highlighted and it will combine. Same procedure to split. Happy editing.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 5:25:11 PM   
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I tried to split German 50th ID I think. I'll check for this tonight though.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/1/2021 8:00:03 PM   
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The 50th ID is part of the 11th Army. It is frozen. It must be unfrozen by clicking on the 50th ID right hand information box, clicking on the freeze label and setting it to zero. Then go to the editor 'units' tab and provide the 50th ID movement points by clicking on the movement bar. Infantry is 16 MP and 200 SMP. Go to map. If the 50th ID shows movement it can be split. Set the unit to freeze for one turn or it may cause the South front to activate. I hope this helps.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/2/2021 4:19:42 AM   
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Yeah you were right, it was frozen. Incidentally, you can't break down cavalry brigades. There must be some number below which it's not breaking the unit.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/2/2021 1:33:09 PM   
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Can you imagine the chaos of breaking down regiments/brigades? The map is cluttered as it is. More than once I have had regiments of a division split and it took forever to find them and join them again. Or I stacked the wrong regiments and they refused to combine. Or regiment is shattered/destroyed and the division lost. Anyway I hope you find it useful to split your divisions when you need them split.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/2/2021 2:42:45 PM   
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I see your point, but both sides historically used Kampfgruppe. Germans were notorious in creating formations from units pulled out from various divisions. Ideally i would prefer to have regiment size game where you can break divisions down and form various groups for different purposes.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/2/2021 3:56:08 PM   
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I understand, agree and acknowledge there is opportunity in what you state.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/22/2021 12:57:11 AM   
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So I tried to break up 1st Rumanian ID, and can't even after unfreezing. Not sure about Movement points, I only see CPP which is set to 100. I was able to recombine 8th Rumanian ID but now cannot split it. Any ideas?

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/22/2021 1:50:23 AM   
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In current game, I literally broke-down and re-combined the 5th RM ID, 10 times, in succession.

I do know that game requires at least 1 MP to be eligible. But it does not expend any MPs.

No idea what the problem is in your case.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/22/2021 2:20:09 AM   
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Are you using the editor to unfreeze the 1st RM ID? If so, unfreeze the division, (right side bar click on freeze tab at zero) go to the off map unit box and assign movement points (including SMP) and then return to map. Confirm it has MP's. Make sure it is highlighted in the side bar to the right. Click on the divide/combine box in the top bar.

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RE: Splitting/recombining division - 11/22/2021 2:47:49 AM   
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Yeah, I figured how to give MP and SMP, so I could recombine the regiments back into division. But if I want to split it again it doesn't work. Maybe I have to give SMP again? At any rate, since I could accomplish what I wanted I would think this is all some Editor quirks.

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