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ORIGINAL: Yogol

If you put several depots on the rail line at level 4, won't it use trucks to sent out supply from the second, third and fourth 4-depot to front troops?

Why not just put those on 0? So, instead of 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4, put 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 4 (with all army HQs on the last depot, obviously)?

(Constance being the exception, I put it on 4 from turn 1 so it fills up, just like you. And once I have an import ports, I put it on 3 and then back on 4 to refill. Idem for Konigsberg, but that depot sometimes uses rail instead of the port, so it is less efficient).

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: Yogol

If you put several depots on the rail line at level 4, won't it use trucks to sent out supply from the second, third and fourth 4-depot to front troops?

Why not just put those on 0? So, instead of 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4, put 3 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 4 (with all army HQs on the last depot, obviously)?

(Constance being the exception, I put it on 4 from turn 1 so it fills up, just like you. And once I have an import ports, I put it on 3 and then back on 4 to refill. Idem for Konigsberg, but that depot sometimes uses rail instead of the port, so it is less efficient).

No, its conditional. Assuming you have a decent enough supply net I find that HQs/units rarely pull supply over 10 hexes - there are 2 parts to this ... that region must have enough and you may need to manage demand down.

so a #4 outside that range builds up freight, it may take something like Minsk + army grp HQ around 5-6 hexes to fill up. When you need more front line supply, either because you are going to attack or have moved east, drop it from 4 to say 1 or 2. All that stored freight runs forward. Its the benefits of a super depot without tieing up a FBD.

If that rear depot is #3 it won't work. It'll pick up some freight but each turn will release any stock to nearby #4s.

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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

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From what I remember trying to do this the last time I played a GC 41 (which was a while ago) making a large depot behind the front lines like Minsk lvl 4 gave me some supply issues at the front as most rail lines go W - E in 1941, meaning that any freight that is getting stockpiled behind the front is freight that could've been sent to the front. I wouldn't really use this unless you're building up for an offensive at which supply usage at the front would be lower or you have a well developed rail network with multiple connections (so nice for StB, Germany gets all the rail repaired so use this strat often). I definitely could be wrong though, while I've read the manual on how freight transportation works, it still feels like magic to me sometimes as the system is both very robust and a bit finicky at times.

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

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From what I remember trying to do this the last time I played a GC 41 (which was a while ago) making a large depot behind the front lines like Minsk lvl 4 gave me some supply issues at the front as most rail lines go W - E in 1941, meaning that any freight that is getting stockpiled behind the front is freight that could've been sent to the front. I wouldn't really use this unless you're building up for an offensive at which supply usage at the front would be lower or you have a well developed rail network with multiple connections (so nice for StB, Germany gets all the rail repaired so use this strat often). I definitely could be wrong though, while I've read the manual on how freight transportation works, it still feels like magic to me sometimes as the system is both very robust and a bit finicky at times.

If you are advancing rapidly this is a bit slower, so there is a case for a short super-depot to get it going.

What it feeds off is freight that can't make the full journey, so it shouldn't be starving your front line depots. The huge benefit is when you release this freight, since its a short distance haul, and you have a big rail depot in place, it reliably flows into the front line.

So agree, its not great if you have a single track rail and the front is currently moving at some speed. But once your advance slows its fine. Realistically, I tend to find post-Smolensk, my gains towards Moscow etc are not that dramatic as the advance to Smolensk.

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ORIGINAL: Stamb

I am playing my first GC and i am in the middle of 1st winter. Supply system is strange. I have a front line near Dnepropetrovsk - Kharkov - Smolenks- Novgorod. And while cities on the north have depots at lvl 3 and on the east side of Ukraine at lvl 4, same as Smolensk - they get very low amount of freight. When i make super depots at Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov then the first city get around 17k of freight and Kharkov a little bit less.

In turn's summary there is no change in freight received in comparison with a turns without a super depots, but clearly when there is no super depot - much less freight (like 5-10 times!!!) is getting there.

Which looks like a bug.
I would understand that if there is no super depots then freight is distributed equally, as far as train capacity allows, between lvl 4 depots. But it is not happening.
It looks like when i have super depots - there is enough train capacity to get this freight to Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov.
And when there is no super depots there - there is some trigger in a code that just divides amount of freight that they got by multiple times, because as i said in previous sentences: there is enough train capacity to move that freight to this cities in case of super depots. And if there is no super depots - there is much less freight in general is that region. There is no freight in Kiev or Lvov or any other city. Like trains are working in 1/10 of their capacity.

Very weird.

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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

If it's your first GC, there is a lot to learn. In my first GC I couldn't even make it past the 525 HWM, but with all the things I learned, in my second GC I found SP to be significantly easier, even on challenging and hard. In this AAR at the very end is how I set up my depots and my thoughts on why I do it.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5050602&mpage=4

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ORIGINAL: Stamb

I am playing my first GC and i am in the middle of 1st winter. Supply system is strange. I have a front line near Dnepropetrovsk - Kharkov - Smolenks- Novgorod. And while cities on the north have depots at lvl 3 and on the east side of Ukraine at lvl 4, same as Smolensk - they get very low amount of freight. When i make super depots at Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov then the first city get around 17k of freight and Kharkov a little bit less.

In turn's summary there is no change in freight received in comparison with a turns without a super depots, but clearly when there is no super depot - much less freight (like 5-10 times!!!) is getting there.

Which looks like a bug.
I would understand that if there is no super depots then freight is distributed equally, as far as train capacity allows, between lvl 4 depots. But it is not happening.
It looks like when i have super depots - there is enough train capacity to get this freight to Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov.
And when there is no super depots there - there is some trigger in a code that just divides amount of freight that they got by multiple times, because as i said in previous sentences: there is enough train capacity to move that freight to this cities in case of super depots. And if there is no super depots - there is much less freight in general is that region. There is no freight in Kiev or Lvov or any other city. Like trains are working in 1/10 of their capacity.

Very weird.

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ORIGINAL: Stamb

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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

If it's your first GC, there is a lot to learn. In my first GC I couldn't even make it past the 525 HWM, but with all the things I learned, in my second GC I found SP to be significantly easier, even on challenging and hard. In this AAR at the very end is how I set up my depots and my thoughts on why I do it.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5050602&mpage=4

I also have an intermediate depots to store freight that was not able to get to a front (and they are empty in Ukraine). But as i wrote - there is just an insane difference between depots with an without a FBD on top of that for no logical, to my understanding, reason. Just making it super depot - somehow allows to pull X times more freight.
What is also strange - rail usage. With a super depot or without it - double rails usage is always 5xxx.

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ORIGINAL: loki100


You are mixing up quite a lot here - and probably overcomplicating your analysis.

So delivery is a function [f(x) if that makes sense to you) of depot capacity, depot demand, local demand, railway capacity to deliver, railyard capacity to send. So "if there is no super depots then freight is distributed equally" isn't right.

A super depot distorts the network and adds x% more to that depot than would normally arrive (actual number is unknown). So other depots on a particular network get less. How you define a 'network' is situational.

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If all your rails are showing 5k something is wrong. That is the residual usage from the last turn, ie that usage (capped at a value of 30k)/6. So if your network is that congested, then that is something to review. More links, secondary connections, intermediate depots are all feasible tools. Also think of reducing demand (ie HQ supply levels).

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ORIGINAL: Stamb

... there will be only few thousands (writing from memory) freight received. This is in harsh winter. So having the only priority 4 depots here with greater division amount is not enough to pull freight there?

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ORIGINAL: AlbertN

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What I am tinkering now is to math in the 30 hex limit, counting 30 rail hexes of Berlin for instance and starting to place depots there since Berlin railyards push only 30 hexes away / affect freight movement up to 30 hexes right? Which means Berlin itself does not push and shove up to 'Warsaw' (for what concerns the Railyard capacity).
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