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I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ball (... - 11/10/2021 5:36:17 PM

Q-Ball

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Hello! For the first time since.....2015? I am putting out a WITP-AE AAR. I'll have to find my last AAR vs. Greyjoy, which continued until 1944 until I surrendered. Hopefully I won't surrender this time!

821Bobo (Robert) is welcome to say HI, but that will be it for Ops Sec reasons. He is a very good and gracious opponent; we recently played this same scenario 28 on the opposite sides, and ended in late 1943 for RL reasons. We are doing a rematch, same scenario, but switching sides.

We are using pretty standard Dec 7 rules.

Here are the House Rules:

1. PPs for National Borders. (RTA may go to neighboring countries)
2. Fighters max altitude at 2nd-highest MVR band
3. Limits on Bombing
a. No 4E Naval under 10K, except PBY Liberator, Mavis, Emily
b. Tactical Night Bombing limited to 2 units (Strat Night Bombing unlimited)
c. No Strategic Bombing in China
d. Allies cannot Strat Bomb Japanese-occupied territory, EXCEPT OIL/REFINERIES

We can discuss more/less as needed, both of us agree not to do obviously gamey things that shouldn't need rules, like mass of 1 PT-boat TFs, Jakes on subs, para fragments, etc.....

Comments and advice of course welcome! That's the point of course!!!!

< Message edited by Q-Ball -- 11/10/2021 6:48:07 PM >

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/10/2021 5:47:49 PM

Q-Ball

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Dec 7th, 1941...The Day of Infamy!

The initial turn looks fairly standard; KB raids PH. (Will post results later once Robert comments). There are Japanese landings at 3-4 places on Luzon, including Mauban and San Fernando. There is a landing on JOLO, no doubt to establish an airbase to take care of the herd of ships from Manila. The only Malaya landing is Khota Bharu, and it looks like the Japanese are landing at Singora and Patani.

Here is the Combat report from Pearl:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 98
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 10 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 105 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 43 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 40 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 24 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 30 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 14 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 16 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 10 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 6 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 2 damaged
C-33: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 12, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Pruitt, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1
DMS Zane, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Preble, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires
DD Aylwin, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
DD MacDonough, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 2
Airbase hits 37
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 81
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Our boys in intelligence are already hard at work bringing us war-changing Intel nuggets such as this:

Cam Ranh Fortress is located at Cam Ranh Bay(64,72).

That changes everything.....

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/10/2021 6:26:28 PM

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Won't wish good luck as I am pretty sure Empire will need it more. But definitely have fun

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Cam Ranh Fortress is located at Cam Ranh Bay(64,72)

Intel reports sometime can be indeed charming.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/10/2021 7:18:08 PM

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Looking forward to it.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/10/2021 7:20:09 PM

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I found the link for my last AAR which ended in .....2013! That's a long time ago! Greyjoy was a very good opponent, but hasn't been on the forums in some time.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3143213&mpage=1&key=

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/11/2021 8:41:44 AM

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Hawaii is the hotspot for Lava programmers. Just saying.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/11/2021 6:46:24 PM

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Dec 7th Landings

The landings on Malaya were the historical ones; nothing special or crazy. It looks like though he's going all-out for the Phillipines early.

There is a landing on JOLO, no doubt to set-up an airbase on that Size-3 airfield. We'll have to see if we can do anything about that; otherwise it's going to be a pretty hot run through the Makassar Strait for all the units fleeing Manila

MARBLEHEAD can make 21 knots; there are some fires, but the damage is moderate. If he hunts her she should be gone.

There are landings at Legaspi, Mauban, Apparri, Vigan, San Fernando.

The attacks on Manila were very good, you can see below; I lost 2 subs outright, and 3 more are not seaworthy; they need a couple turns to pump out, but not sure I'm going to get that!

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M2 Nell x 27
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 1
xAK Cape Fairweather, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-41, Bomb hits 2
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 4, heavy damage
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1
AV Langley, Bomb hits 2
AM Lark, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 1
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Permit, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1

Repair Shipyard hits 6
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M2 Nell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/11/2021 11:07:21 PM

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From that picture, you might need to include the "-AltFont" switch!

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/13/2021 2:19:00 PM

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Dec 8th, 1941

Overall:

I obviously cannot stop the Empire in the SRA, but the key IMO is to show some aggressiveness. Need to force the Japanese to cover all TFs with aircover and/or surface ships for fear of having a TF jumped by Allied warships. Most of the warships that start in the SRA are obsolete, so it's not going to hurt the Allied war effort much if we lose a few......another reason to be aggressive.

I'll post later on China. I have NEVER won a game in China regardless of side; as Japan, I get stopped, as China I lose the whole thing. We'll see if I can reverse that trend.

Hong Kong DDs

Toward the "Being Aggressive" part, I sent the Hong Kong DDs to Takao to see if we could catch a TF in the Harbor. We did!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Takao at 84,65, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DMS W-13, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DMS W-14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Asahisan Maru, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
xAK Seian Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Scout
DD Thanet

Japanese ground losses:
2086 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 85 destroyed, 83 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

That looks like maybe an AIR HQ unit; no engineers or guns, so I think he was loading an Air HQ for Luzon or elsewhere. Nice hit!

Those DDs later paid for it though while trying to escape to Manila.....(last of several engagements):

Day Time Surface Combat, near Hengchun at 81,68, Range 21,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Ikazuchi
DD Inazuma, heavy fires
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
DD Scout, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DD Thanet, Shell hits 17, and is sunk

Back in London they are "Mentioned in Dispatches". Huzzah! VCs all around!

Luzon Landings:

Japanese coming ashore at multiple places in Luzon. We set all P-40Es, Seagulls, and Catalinas to attack. Results were mixed; I should have set the range to only attack Mauban where I know there couldn't be aircover, instead of losing planes over Vigan, where Robert did have aircover from Formosa:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 80,73

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-27b Nate x 13

Allied aircraft
PBY-4 Catalina x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Raid is overhead
50th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 103 minutes

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mauban at 80,78

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAP Horai Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x OS2U-3 Kingfisher bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mauban at 80,78

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
SOC-1 Seagull x 7

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Konan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Arare, Shell hits 6
DD Satsuki, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Taiyo Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SOC-1 Seagull bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
12 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mauban at 80,78

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 21

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Arare, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Kasumi
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 80,73

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-27b Nate x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Oigawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
1 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 9 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Aparri at 82,73

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
Ki-27b Nate x 5

Allied aircraft
PBY-4 Catalina x 2
SOC-1 Seagull x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 destroyed
SOC-1 Seagull: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (15 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(15 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
15 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Raid is overhead
50th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 80,73

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Murasame

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x OS2U-3 Kingfisher bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Vigan at 80,73

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 3
DD Asagumo

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mauban at 80,78

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 20

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Tofuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Takatiho Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAKL Yosyu Maru
xAKL Oridono Maru
xAKL Turusima Maru
xAKL Ryuto Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Bichu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Naga at 81,81

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 4
DD Tokitsukaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-40E Warhawk bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Too many Catalina losses, and not one torpedo drop....so that was disappointing. No troops killed either, we'll probably sink a couple transports and if nothing else remind 821Bobo that he's going to need aircover in the SRA.

Elsewhere:

No 2nd Attack at Pearl Harbor. I was worried about one as the Runways were closed; I moved 55 fighters to Lahaina to provide LRCAP over Pearl from there. But no attack. It may have been the smart move, every time I've hit it twice I mostly get pilots killed....the Flak is very heavy in this mod, DDB-C. KB is moving west toward Wake/Truk.

Khota Bharu falls, and the Japanese sweep Singapore from Soc Trang, shooting down 10 Buffalos....probably should have parked them on the ground that turn!

HMS Thanet in better days:

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/13/2021 5:49:59 PM

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Q-Ball, it is great to see you back in action!

Good luck!

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/13/2021 7:03:56 PM

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quote:

Our boys in intelligence are already hard at work bringing us war-changing Intel nuggets such as this:

Cam Ranh Fortress is located at Cam Ranh Bay(64,72).

That changes everything.....

How did he pull that off?!

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/14/2021 1:48:26 AM

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quote:

I'll post later on China. I have NEVER won a game in China regardless of side; as Japan, I get stopped, as China I lose the whole thing. We'll see if I can reverse that trend.

Could take tips from Alfred:

quote:

Re China, which few Allied players handle well (although Obvert is currently showing how China can be handled) and then blame the game rather than looking at their own play.

1. The commonly deployed MLR concept is a certain recipe for failure. It spreads out Chinese units to every neighbouring hex which is the complete opposite to what Japan does. Every decent Japanese player develops a schwerpunkt which concentrates his forces against dispersed Chinese forces. Most hexes in the MLR have only Chinese units, noticeable being the absence of any Japanese units.

2. Outflanking. Another commonly misplaced Allied concern. The real world problems of outflanking just do not exist in this abstracted game. Supply always gets through to outflanked units. Only completely surrounded units are cut off from supply.

3. IRL units totally out of supply are totally useless. This is not the case in this abstracted game. Out of supply units, which are not in close contact with the enemy, are almost as good as units with full supply in accomplishing many tasks in this game. The need for water daily just does not exist in the game.

4. Unlike every other theatre and nationality , totally destroyed Chinese divisions respawn. Combined with the 12:6 VP ratio, provided a real strategic/operational benefit is gained, no Allied player should be concerned about having Chinese troops cut off and destroyed.

5. In China, the Allied player needs to both concentrate and disperse his units. All divisions must be concentrated with their Group Army HQ = corps. Mass is required to force the enemy to deploy sizeable forces to achieve success in battle. In turn the consolidated corps must be dispersed to

(a) threaten Japanese LOC
(b) overwatch enemy cities to force enemy garrisoning of their own cities to protect industry
(c) force the enemy "off road" which slows down their manoeuvre speed

6. Ultimately China is all about time. Japanese assets deployed to China are not available for use elsewhere. This provides Allied opportunities elsewhere. The opportunity cost for Japan can be huge.

7. A passive defence of China will not succeed. What is required is an active defence, based not on seeking combat but by manoeuvre which threatens enemy positions which have been weakened by the desire to create an overwhelming schwerpunkt. The firepower of the Japanese puppet forces is weak. those units are even more fragile than most Chinese divisions.

Bearing in mind the above, these are starting points for blocking and manoeuvring forces.

(A) Immediately evacuate (includes air force) everything north of Lanchow except for minimal garrison forces at Urumchi/Hami/Kinchuan. The latter two are blocking positions and will survive on Urumchi generated supplies.

(B) Immediately withdraw from Yenan except for the required garrison. If the garrison is provided by the Base Force, you will be able to fly recon missions from Yenan. Otherwise that city is simply a death trap which need not even be captured by Japan.

(C) To slow down any Japanese move on the northern oilfields, the 3 key blocking positions are:

93,34
92,34 (Paotow)
92,38

All three hexes are mountain. The first two protect the eastern approach to Lanchow and the southern approach to Hami. The last cuts the railway and overwatches the enemy bases of Taiyuan/Chengting/Tatung, the latter being an important resources generator.

(D) The blocking positions on the eastern approach to Sian are:

90,40
90,41
88,41
87,41
88,42 (Tsiatso)

These positions must not be simply given away as almost every Allied player does when they immediately start an unforced retreat back towards Sian. These positions disrupt the enemy LOC and therefore weakens any Sian schwerpunkt which bypasses them. Do not overlook the auto generated supply at Tsiatso.

The absolute key Sian blocking position is 88,42. It is the junction of the eastern approach from Loyang and the southern approach from Nanyang. It is the closest position to the Allied supply depot at Sian and conversely the furthest away from the enemy supply depots. It does not make sense, as Allied players reqularly do, to defend in multiple wooded + rough hexes to cover both potential enemy axes of advance and close to the enemy supply depots.

Sian itself needs to retain its good garrison to meet any river crossings from the east. If the enemy bypasses all the blocking positions and elects to undertake the river crossing, not only will it be weakened from it's less than optimal LOC but it becomes very vulnerable to a single LCU being detached from the blocking position at 88,42 to come in from behind and trap the enemy.

(E) Consolidate the Lusu corps around and continue to threaten Kweiteh. Another valuable auto generated Chinese supply source which happens to lay right in the middle of a key enemy railway. Doing so also helps the defenders of Loyang and Chengchow.

(F) The valuable industrial region of Changsha/Siangton/Shaoyong/Hengyang/Changteh is defended by garrisons in the cities themselves, not units outside the cities. In particular, Changsha is not to be abandoned under any circumstances. The units which start outside of Changsha are to immediately be brought back into Changsha to build forts. The auto generated supply combined with the terrain and one of the most powerful at start Chinese consolidated corps means Japan can be bled white here. Destroyed Chinese units at Changsha will get to Chungking before their exhausted opponents do. Plus by maximising the engineers, a wrecked industrial price might be all that the enemy gains ultimately.

(G) For the southern region, the key blocking positions are Pingsiang, Pucheng and 87,56. All lie on the best enemy LOC. If captured by the enemy aim to get new units to recapture them as it is unlikely the enemy will stop to safeguard these conquests.

(H) Two key ports to be retained are Kwangchown and Wenchow. Consolidate forces in their vicinity. These ports can be resupplied by sub (Wenchow is itself a significant supply centre) and provide excellent "naval search eyes" on enemy convoys to assist the Dutch and S class subs.

(I) The blocking positions for Chungking are:

71,48 (also key for Kunming)

81,40 (most of the eastern approach is covered by holding Sian)

76,46
75,46
77,47
75,48
74,48

these cover the southern approach.

By consolidating corps and positioning them in blocking positions it means that it is possible to detach units to close the door after being bypassed. Plus by not maintaining a linear MLR, mobile consolidated corps to threaten weakly garrisoned enemy rear bases can be created.

Alfred

I'm liking the low level attacks on IJ shipping. Suitable anti-shipping aircraft on Luzon isn't a requirement to be a right nuisance for the IJN and even a 500lb bomb can prove fatal!

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/15/2021 1:42:49 AM

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Good to see you back in action, Q-Ball. Would be great if Greyjoy could pop in and spread a few malapropisms for old time's sake.

Good luck!

Cheers,
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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/15/2021 3:19:16 PM

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Good comments, thanks!

China:

On China, I have seen that writeup and am following it. First priority is to get all units out of open terrain, especially those in danger of being left behind. Yeah, I know they re-spawn, and if they are cut-off that's fine....but first priority is to see if I can get them somewhere useful on high ground. This is going to mean abandoning a couple cities that produce supply, but can't be helped. I'll probably post pictures later on this theater. I will leave a max garrison in Wenchow, which auto-generates supplies and is 3x terrain, and is a real pain to take.

I have bought the 254th Indian Tank Bde and 43rd Cav Regt, moving those to Burma, then to China. They are useless right now (but cheap), but in a few months should be trained, and equipped with Stuarts and Valentines, which should be a big help. For now, the "Chinese Expeditionary Force", or "CEF" will slowly make their way to Chungking.

I am moving all the supply I can get my hands on to Rangoon/Burma to be moved into China. I even loaded up the remaining AKs in Hong Kong with supplies to dump in Kangchowan (they are all damaged, so doomed anyway, just hoping for 1 trip). Getting as much supply as I can to China.

I am moving some of the "buyable" units to India to feast on Allied supplies. At least if China collapses, I'll have a "Free China Army" at my disposal.

Other Tidbits:

I am moving units all over the place in order to disrupt Japanese plans and be unpredictable on how much to bring to an invasion. Some examples:

--Evacuating Rabaul completely; units will be deployed elsewhere
--Flying fragments of both Canadian units in Hong Kong to China; they will go to India to rebuild. Unlike most Commonwealth units, there are Canadian squads in the pool, so will use these two Bns quickly
--18th UK Division diverted to Bombay
--I am sending a Ghurka Bde to Cocos Islands. Plan for this to be a major pain.

These are just a few examples, but trying to keep the Empire off-balance a bit by having large garrisons in suprising places, and no garrison in others

Where's Greyjoy?

Haven't seen him in years. He as a very good opponent and a pretty cool chap. A lawyer from Verona, IIRC, or maybe Vicenza, one of those.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/15/2021 5:53:12 PM

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Where's Greyjoy?

When he disappeared he was dealing with the death of his father and serious romantic life issues. He was also hinting that the law practice was getting pretty intense. Recipe for depression or just changing priorities for a while. I am hoping the latter was the case and he may reappear to amaze and entertain us again!

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/15/2021 10:53:27 PM

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What I like to do against the AI is to take the Hong Kong ships and use them in Amphibious mode to load up as many military refugees and supplies, then sent them to Kangchowan or even dump them on the coast if you have to. That way, I don't have to buy back the units and they can march to India if needed.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/16/2021 2:19:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

What I like to do against the AI is to take the Hong Kong ships and use them in Amphibious mode to load up as many military refugees and supplies, then sent them to Kangchowan or even dump them on the coast if you have to. That way, I don't have to buy back the units and they can march to India if needed.

I'm not sure I would try that against a human though....it's easy enough to send a DD or two to Kwangchowan to break up the party. I hate to lose troops at sea that way. The ships are probably toast anyway, so I'm OK losing those

Dec 9th

I think Luzon is an early focus for Robert; this bit of intel confirms it for me:

13/4th Division is loaded on a Kongo Maru class xAP moving to Aparri.

If he was going to bypass and move on, he wouldn't be sending the 4th Division there. So he intends to close out Luzon early. The Dec 7th landing at Mauban has cut-off the 51st PA Division, and the landing at San Fernando trashed another PA division. Everyone else is falling back on Manila, which will be last stand city. The airfields are pretty much closed, just trying to repair the last few aircraft and get them out.

Fleeing Manila!

The Manila Dec 7th attack was a very good one (for Japan), so I have a ton of damaged ships just trying to make it to safety. Not all of them are going to make it! With Jolo in Japanese hands and RYUJO and friends also hanging out around Mindanao, I have to just send everyone and present too many targets to sink.

This turn he sank the APs ROCHAMBEAU and NEPTUNA, as well as DD JOHN FORD. Plus some AKLs. Not getting alot to saftey so far. I have 6 submarines limping to Soerbaja, and another 4 in docks in Manila that are too flooded to move. They probably won't make it.

Malaya:

Other than taking Khota Bharu, it's been quiet so far. No landings at Mersing. We are moving everyone, save a few small units that are just roadblocks, back to Singers to dig-in.

I moved an RAF HQ unit and the NZ Pioneers to Palembang, to provide Torp capability there and some engineers. I am starting a buildup in Palembang, but won't commit massive numbers...probably enough to alarm Imperial Command though. I'm mostly flying extra Dutch units in that start in useless locations.

Rabaul:

I evacuated Kaveing, but see a convoy approaching, probably those AKLs at start that have a small Nav Gd unit on them. ADELAIDE can intercept, and will if they land.....

Ambush:

Elsewhere, I am hiding cruisers in random dot bases to wait opportunities to ambush unescorted convoys. I am doing this in a couple places. I may have to be patient. For Ops Sec reasons won't reveal where until I get a result

Combat Report: When I post a combat report, I will edit out all the routine combat results that I don't think are interesting, and just provide those that I comment on. Does that work for you?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 09, 41
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Catanduanes at 88,81, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
DD Uzuki
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
xAK Governor Wright, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 67% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 9,000 yards
Japanese launch Long Lance torpedoes at 9,000 yards before allies detect Japanese presence
CA Aoba launches Long Lance Torpedoes at xAK Governor Wright at 9,000 yards
xAK Governor Wright sunk by DD Yuzuki at 9,000 yards
xAK Governor Wright sunk by DD Yuzuki at 9,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

Another Manila casualty

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Submarine attack near Pearl Harbor at 181,107

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
TK Gulfhawk, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

TK Gulfhawk is sighted by SS I-171
SS I-171 launches 2 torpedoes at TK Gulfhawk

She made it to Pearl Harbor though
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Submarine attack near Hengchun at 83,67

Japanese Ships
xAK Anzan Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Perch

xAK Anzan Maru #2 is sighted by SS Perch
SS Perch launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Anzan Maru #2

A hit, after several "HIT! No Explosion" attacks. Sometimes they do work....
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 52
G3M2 Nell x 39
G4M1 Betty x 30

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 4 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-4 Catalina: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AM Lark, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 46

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
32 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

AM Lark was not seaworthy after a 800kg bomb hit; now she's sunk. Heavy air attacks on Manila and CLark pretty much closing those bases.
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 4 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 3
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 9

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Davao at 83,94

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
B5N1 Kate x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Neptuna
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Rochambeau

A couple ships I had hoped to save

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Afternoon Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 77,58 , near Canton

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-36 Ida x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb

Unescorted....just IDAs, but I mark this one as something I can ambush next turn and get cheap kills (spoiler: It worked)

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Davao at 82,91

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
B5N1 Kate x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD John D. Ford

She was damaged from the Manila raid, didn't make it....

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Submarine attack near Merak at 48,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-122

Allied Ships
TK Basilea, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

TK Basilea is sighted by SS I-122
SS I-122 launches 2 torpedoes

Was hoping to sneak her home quickly, but nope.....a big tanker, hate to lose those
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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/17/2021 1:26:34 PM

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Dec 10th

Overall:

Still max effort around Luzon. Still awfully quiet around Malaya, other than troops marching on Alor Star and the bombing of Singapore.

Overall, I am looking for opportunities to strike back, though Robert does a good job protecting convoys, offering limited opportunities. Still, we see a few.....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 10, 41

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Vigan at 80,73, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Ohio Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-33
PT-34
PT-35
PT-41
PT Q-111
PT Q-112
PT Q-113

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 57% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
xAK Ohio Maru sunk by PT Q-113 at 6,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

With that sinking, I have officially gotten my money's worth with the PI PT boats! Overall, Robert has done a good job covering all the landings so has not left me an unguarded opening around Luzon

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tabar Island at 107,123, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Kosin Maru #3, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
xAKL Katsuragisan Maru, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
xAKL Kanaiyama Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Adelaide, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
835 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 17,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Katsuragisan Maru at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 15,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 14,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Katsuragisan Maru at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Katsuragisan Maru at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 8,000 yards
xAKL Katsuragisan Maru sunk by CL Adelaide at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 7,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 7,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages xAKL Kanaiyama Maru at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 6,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
xAKL Kanaiyama Maru sunk by CL Adelaide at 5,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 5,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CL Adelaide engages PB Kosin Maru #3 at 14,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

HMAS Adelaide toasts a small convoy at Kaveing, probably with part of a Nav Gd on it
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Dadjangas at 80,94, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai
DD Fubuki
DD Shinonome
DD Usugumo
DD Tsuta
DD Yomogi
DMS W-7
DMS W-8
PB Edo Maru
PB Saiko Maru
xAK Teiryu Maru
xAK Macassar Maru
xAK Nittai Maru

Allied Ships
DD Pope, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru , xAK Macassar Maru , xAK Teiryu Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yomogi , DD Fubuki , PB Saiko Maru
DD Pope engages DD Tsuta at 18,000 yards
DD Tsuta engages DD Pope at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru , xAK Macassar Maru , xAK Teiryu Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yomogi , DD Tsuta , PB Saiko Maru
DD Shinonome engages DD Pope at 17,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Pope at 17,000 yards
DD Pope engages DMS W-7 at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru , xAK Macassar Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Shinonome
DD Pope engages DD Tsuta at 15,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Pope at 15,000 yards
DD Pope engages DMS W-7 at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru , xAK Macassar Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Fubuki
CA Chokai engages DD Pope at 12,000 yards
DD Yomogi engages DD Pope at 12,000 yards
Musak, F.V. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 11,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yomogi
CA Chokai engages DD Pope at 11,000 yards
DD Pope engages PB Saiko Maru at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Fubuki
CA Chokai engages DD Pope at 18,000 yards
DD Pope engages DMS W-7 at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
CA Chokai engages DD Pope at 23,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards
xAK Nittai Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Usugumo
CA Chokai engages DD Pope at 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...

USS Pope was damaged in the Dec 7th attack on Manila, and isn't going to make it

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Banggi at 69,85, Range 22,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio

Allied Ships
xAP Candesa, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 21,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 22,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 22,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages xAP Candesa at 22,000 yards
DD Arashi engages xAP Candesa at 22,000 yards
Range increases to 25,000 yards
xAP Candesa sunk by CA Mikuma at 25,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 25

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 1 destroyed on ground
Blenheim IV: 19 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed on ground
Hudson I: 5 damaged
Buffalo I: 9 damaged
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed on ground
S.19 Singapore III: 1 damaged
Vildebeest III: 5 damaged
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

First attack on Singapore...I don't think I'm going to defend it, so will probably start moving air units. The FLAK over Singapore is very nasty; I know from experience. As Japan in DDB-C, you can count on losing 1 to 3 bombers a day if you bomb it, so I'm counting on that to wear down the Japanese. Plus, if I send up fighters against those A6M2 sweepers, well we know how that movie ends....

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Dadjangas at 79,93

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 19
A6M2 Zero x 11
B5N1 Kate x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Pope, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Pope

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Afternoon Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 77,58 , near Canton

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-36 Ida x 15

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 10 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (16 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

AVG successfully ambushes that Ki-36 flight I mentioned yesterday; 15 are shot down total

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Talaud-eilanden at 81,96

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 16
B5N1 Kate x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AS Otus, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Don Esteban, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Don Esteban
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AS Otus

More Manila refugees caught....I'll provide a final score when it's over, but he's locked down all the escape routes
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Davao at 81,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(11 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 11000.
Raid is overhead
At least we get some revenge here, CAP TRAP near Mindanao shoots down some Kates off Ryujo

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/17/2021 5:35:31 PM

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Dec 11th

A couple very interesting intel tidbits today....

5/144th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Japanese xAK moving to Chumphon.

21st Division is loaded on xAP Husimi Maru moving to Aparri.

The 21st Division moving to Aparri is yet another unrestricted division heading to Luzon. We now have the 48th, 16th, 4th, and 21st identified as there, or on the way. That leaves the 2nd (which is prepped for Singapore, so going to Malaya), the 33rd at Nagasaki (which is prepped for Rangoon at-start), and the 38th at Hong Kong which is busy at the moment.

Even more interesting, the 144th Regiment is moving to Thailand! This unit at-start is at Chichi-Jima, and is the "Guam" invasion force. It's the "South Seas" force, and is the handiest unit for quick take of Rabaul. But it's not going that way, it's going to opposite way. He is probably doing this to combine with rest of 55th Division for the Burma invasion. While I hate that there are detached regiments all over like that and also seek to combine them, I would want to grab Rabaul first.

If I read the tea leaves correctly:

1. Luzon is max-effort; I know this for sure now, and can't really do anything about it
2. Malaya is going to be slow-rolled, but nothing I can do about that other than get everyone to Singapore and dig
3. This has REAL implications for SW Pac however; unless he's moving 56th Div that way, he doesn't have any heavy units heading to the Rabaul/Moresby area, or anywhere down there at present.

He could buy the Guards Brigade maybe, but that's all I can think of. Otherwise he would be waiting until Luzon is cleaned-up to bring anything larger than Nav Gd down there. In other words, anything that could dislodge a Brigade or a Regiment.

I have Marines loaded in San Fran on the way to SW Pac, as well as 30th Aus Brigade moving to Townsville. 34th Infantry Regt is also on ships moving SW Pac. I may move some of these forward to Moresby and make a fight there. I definitely wonder if he's even going to try for Noumea.

Thoughts anyone?

Convoy Destruction

At Rabaul, Bobo cleverly got my transport ships that were picking up Lark Bn. Thankfully they hadn't loaded much yet. But I'll have fly those guys out or let them die. Good move with YUBARI, I know that Goto's cruisers can't get to Rabaul by the 11th, so he used the cruisers at Roi Namur. This surprised me:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yubari
DD Asanagi
DD Yunagi

Allied Ships
xAP President Coolidge, Shell hits 6
xAP Macdhui, Shell hits 14, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Low visibility due to Rain with 46% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 46% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
Japanese launch Long Lance torpedoes at 6,000 yards before allies detect Japanese presence
CL Yubari launches Long Lance Torpedoes at xAP Macdhui at 6,000 yards
CL Yubari launches Long Lance Torpedoes at xAP President Coolidge at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP Macdhui at 4,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP President Coolidge at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
DD Yunagi engages xAP President Coolidge at 2,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
DD Yunagi engages xAP President Coolidge at 2,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages xAP President Coolidge at 2,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages xAP Macdhui at 2,000 yards
CL Yubari engages xAP President Coolidge at 2,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

However, two can play the game of destroying unescorted ships; we ambushed two small invasions, but not before they unloaded:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Showa Maru #3, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
PB Showa Maru #5, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
xAKL Hitora Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
xAKL Higari Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter
DD Piet Hein
DD Kortenaer
DD Witte de With
DD Banckert

Poor visibility due to Rain with 46% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 46% moonlight: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
Japanese ships attempt to get underway
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 3,000 yards
CL De Ruyter engages PB Showa Maru #5 at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
PB Showa Maru #5 sunk by CL De Ruyter at 2,000 yards
xAKL Hitora Maru collides with PB Showa Maru #3 at 78 , 102
CL De Ruyter engages PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
Massive explosion on xAKL Hitora Maru
DD Kortenaer engages xAKL Hitora Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Piet Hein engages xAKL Higari Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
PB Showa Maru #3 sunk by CL De Ruyter at 4,000 yards
DD Piet Hein engages xAKL Higari Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages xAKL Hitora Maru at 4,000 yards
DD Piet Hein engages xAKL Higari Maru at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CL De Ruyter engages xAKL Higari Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CL De Ruyter engages xAKL Higari Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Kortenaer engages xAKL Higari Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Piet Hein engages xAKL Higari Maru at 2,000 yards
xAKL Higari Maru sunk by CL De Ruyter at 2,000 yards
xAKL Higari Maru sunk by CL De Ruyter at 2,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sorong at 82,107, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Nichi Maru #1, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Shinwa Maru, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Alden
DD Edsall
DD John D. Edwards
DD Whipple

Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Poor visibility due to Rain with 46% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 46% moonlight: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
PB Nichi Maru #1 sunk by DD Whipple at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Whipple engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Whipple engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Whipple engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 3,000 yards
DD Alden engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Whipple engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Whipple engages xAK Shinwa Maru at 2,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

One of our subs around Takao got another AK with some troops onboard:

Sub attack near Takao at 84,66

Japanese Ships
xAK Hokutai Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PB Suyozai Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-38

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

We lose more Manila refugees, incdluing at AG and AP President Madison, which I had hope to save. I'll provide a final tally at the end, but I'm not getting alot out of there aside from AKL and subs.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/18/2021 4:00:58 AM

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I don't like the Luzon first approach as it is not likely to benefit him economically. Go for Malaya, Palembang, and Java. My first major spending of PP is for a Manchurian division to go for Luzon. He is losing out on getting Singapore quickly with Southern Command HQ prepped there, not Manila.
Now, do you go for "Fortress Palembang?" Does the 18th Brit Division head there?

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/18/2021 2:17:29 PM

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I don't like the Luzon first approach as it is not likely to benefit him economically. Go for Malaya, Palembang, and Java. My first major spending of PP is for a Manchurian division to go for Luzon. He is losing out on getting Singapore quickly with Southern Command HQ prepped there, not Manila.
Now, do you go for "Fortress Palembang?" Does the 18th Brit Division head there?

Thanks Brad for those draft picks from your Bears next year.

Our European and Australian forum mates are going to be really bored/confused with this part of the post, but......I can see why the Giants did that trade, though as the Bears I would do it several times over. We just really need a QB, and Fields is starting to look like the real deal. I think other teams that could've drafted him are going to regret it; certainly Panthers and Broncos are already having second thoughts since Darnold and Lock don't look like "Guys".

I don't know where Daniel Jones is, but seems like he isn't a franchise QB either, so Giants may need that extra pick to go back to the QB drawing board....

Back to the war...

I tend to agree with you on Luzon. As Japan, I prefer to land early, set up and airbase, drive the Allies into last-stand city (Clark or Manila), then just keep bombing it until they run out of supplies and can be mopped-up later. There is nothing on Luzon you need right away; Manila is a nice port, but it's not necessary for expansion phase. Production there is negligible. As long as you bomb the airbases, Allies can't use Luzon for anything other than Search and refueling subs.

Singapore, IMO, is a must-take. It's a perfect staging port for further expansion, and is blocking the strait toward Rangoon. I think Singapore is deserving of max effort, but that's just me.

Dec 11, 1941

Wake Island

Wake Island falls; Bobo wisely used 2 Nav Gd units and it fell immediately. I had flown the 12 F4F-3 off to Lexington a couple days ago; USN needs all the fighters it can get right now.

Guam Landing:

An SNLF Co. and Base Force landed on Guam. It will fall shortly

Other Landings:

Japanese have landed on Mindanao, Sorong, Ternate, Beaufort, Hollandia. Still no airfield on Borneo.

Select Combat Results:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 80,69, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PT-32, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-33, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-34, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-35, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-41, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT Q-111, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT Q-112, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

So much for the Luzon PTs....I was hoping to get a convoy moving from Takao to Luzon, instead we found cruisers. We did sink an Aden-class AK last turn, so I guess we'll call it even now....

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Submarine attack near Takao at 84,66

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nanko Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-38

xAKL Nanko Maru is sighted by SS S-38
SS S-38 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Nanko Maru

Subs finding a little success here and there....

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Morning Air attack on 22nd Indian Brigade, at 51,79 (Kuantan)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 42

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 17
Buffalo I x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 15 destroyed, 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Yay! I am always looking for unescorted planes to ambush, success in Malaya. He now knows I have AVG in Malaya, so he'll probably start sweeping more....

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Baker Island at 145,136

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 11
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AMC Hokoku Maru, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AMC Hokoku Maru

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Howland Island at 148,130

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-2 Dauntless x 15

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AMC Aikoku Maru, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Here we just got lucky....I wasn't really looking for those AMCs, though back of my mind thought it would be nice to get them as they will usually transit via Baker Island area on a direct route to Kwaj....downside, he knows where my CVs are, after picking up the F4F-3s from Wake, LEX and ENTERPRISE headed south.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/18/2021 6:58:09 PM

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Nice openings, Q-Ball. Welcome back to the madhouse.

ETA: Bears? Giants? Is it true that the over/under for wins for both of them this year is 6? We can't all be Cowboy fans though, can we?

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Nice openings, Q-Ball. Welcome back to the madhouse.

ETA: Bears? Giants? Is it true that the over/under for wins for both of them this year is 6? We can't all be Cowboy fans though, can we?

But the Cowgirls are so much more enjoyable to watch . . .

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/19/2021 1:09:00 AM

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My Giants do have two 1st rounders (currently 6 & 8), a 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders to hopefully come away with two more OL which they need.

Not giving up on QB D Jones until he gets an average OL in front of him.

Chickenboy - get back to me when the "Girls" get out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/21/2021 7:00:33 PM

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Dec 12-14

Malaya: Not much to post; Japanese are moving down the peninsula, taking Georgetown and getting into the open road. I've pulled everyone back except the Brigade from Kuantan, we'll see if they can make it. Everyone else basically is in Singapore except small blocking units; I have re-formed 11th Indian Division in Singapore.

Luzon: More advances on Luzon; a PI Infantry Division is forced to surrender at Altimonoan. Everyone else is falling back on Last Stand City, Manila.

Borneo: Japanese land at Jesselton. Still no move anywhere else. I have evacuated the garrison at Kuching, and are moving them to Cocos Islands; they'll have some time there to train-up.

Australia: With that intel on where the IJA Infantry Divisions are going (or where I think they are going), I'm moving units forward. I'll move Lark Bn. and 30th Brigade to Port Moresby; I might send another Australian Brigade depending on PPs. Marines and other units are on their way from the West Coast, but it's going to be a couple weeks.

Aleutians: I am moving the Regt that starts in Dutch Harbor to Adak Island. If that goes off without seeing and Japanese, I'll move the Kodiak Regt. to Amchitka.

China: OK, here is where I always need help.

I've successfully ambushed a couple bombing runs with AVG, so he's escorting all his bombers now. Otherwise, I have a few items trying to do here:

1. Evacuate Clear Terrain: Need to get everyone off Clear Terrain and pulled back to 2x and 3x defensive positions blocking major roads. I leave Chengchow without a fight, and about to abandon Loyang. Nanyang I'll leave once I collect units marching there.
2. Find Blocking Positions: I have a problem brewing east of Sian, though; that is a max effort by 3 IJA Divisions, and I don't have enough there. Going to have to quickly shift units to stop them further west.
3. Citadels: I am not giving up supply-generating cities like Tsaitso and Wenchow; I will pull back to them and just hold out.
4. Harrassing: I'll use smaller units to block rail lines and generally run around before they get eliminated eventually.

Anyway, here is the initial map, more to follow....

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3. Citadels: I am not giving up supply-generating cities like Tsaitso and Wenchow; I will pull back to them and just hold out.

Do you guys have any house rules about strategic bombing in China? If not, have you calculated the supply impact of having your HI/LI centers burned out?

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RE: I Shall Return (If I can find a WiFi Hotspot): Q-Ba... - 11/27/2021 4:03:51 PM

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If you can control the skies over Singapore, you can withdraw some units and I suggest doing so. Those Aussie Brigades will help form a division with three other battalions and you may be short of Aussie squad devices later. Any battalions that you can pull out can go to India and perform garrison duty against partisans as well as holding a base to prevent paratroopers from capturing it.

While pulling out may allow a quicker invasion of the DEI, think if you used those divisions in the DEI, sending one third either to India or Australia to help defend there as well as being able to reform the Division quickly. Even if you don't refill the reformed division with squads, it should be able to have all of the support elements including the AA and artillery guns for defense.

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Alternatively, if you decide to fight as hard as you can at Singapore, you must sneak some supply in there. Single xAKLs are best, but sub transport helps too. Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwhal are best at this if they have no mines to plant.

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3. Citadels: I am not giving up supply-generating cities like Tsaitso and Wenchow; I will pull back to them and just hold out.

Do you guys have any house rules about strategic bombing in China? If not, have you calculated the supply impact of having your HI/LI centers burned out?

We have a house rule against Strat Bombing in China, so I don't have to worry about that. Even without that, supply will be short. I am dumping supply in Rangoon right now, but there's a limit on that, and already that activity is garnering attention from the Japanese.

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If you can control the skies over Singapore, you can withdraw some units and I suggest doing so. Those Aussie Brigades will help form a division with three other battalions and you may be short of Aussie squad devices later. Any battalions that you can pull out can go to India and perform garrison duty against partisans as well as holding a base to prevent paratroopers from capturing it.

While pulling out may allow a quicker invasion of the DEI, think if you used those divisions in the DEI, sending one third either to India or Australia to help defend there as well as being able to reform the Division quickly. Even if you don't refill the reformed division with squads, it should be able to have all of the support elements including the AA and artillery guns for defense.

I am not sure I'm going to buy out units from Malaya; so many priorities right now on PPs, I have to be careful how I use them. I have already pulled a battalion of Punjabis from Georgetown on Dec 8th; they are back in India. I also pulled an RAF HQ and the NZ Pioneers for Palembang. Not sure if I'll do more or not.

I'll list how I have spend PPs down below so you guys can comment

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Alternatively, if you decide to fight as hard as you can at Singapore, you must sneak some supply in there. Single xAKLs are best, but sub transport helps too. Argonaut, Nautilus and Narwhal are best at this if they have no mines to plant.

Thanks, I am thinking of this....I do have supplies on the way to the SRA generally, I'll see if I can get some through. So many demands right now on supply though....I have some going to Darwin, but the bulk is going to Burma so I can move it to China.

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