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RE: Variants and Options - 9/2/2021 4:30:36 PM   
Nomad


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ORIGINAL: Xargun

I am just starting a game with this variant rule against Nomad - we picked 100 points and had our choices done in 2 days -- I was the slow poke as I had never done this before and as Japan there are a lot of interesting choices... Problem for a lot of the 'extra' choices is that Japan has to build them all (whereas the Allies do not) so you have to be careful. As for adding tons of oil, you can only add 1 50 point oil source max... And its expensive - 5 points (one of the most expensive picks on the list).

I like the idea as you can take what your side offers and adjust for your play style and known weaknesses... If you always lose a couple CVs to be being too aggressive, well then you can add a couple more into the queue and so forth. I picked several choices to offset my known game weaknesses - and several just because they seem to great to pass up... only time will tell with those.

I am considering running an AAR opposite Nomad but haven't decided yet. AARs are always interesting in the beginning but often peter out after a few months.

Xargun


Xargun has a good point on ship building , i believe putting ships in a task force doesnt count towards shipyard requirement for Japan. I believe this is a good solution;
1) Doesnt put strain on Japanese economy
2) Japanese player cant accelerate ships bought with points , would be more balanced


This idea crossed my mind when I was doing yours and deaniks changes.

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RE: Variants and Options - 9/3/2021 7:11:30 PM   
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RE: Variants and Options - 9/5/2021 3:26:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about adding in some training groups on the map? you can spend points on filling them out with old equipment or they are spawned in with no equipment that need's to be filled up? but they start on map so they should cost around what the normal group's cost for the time period?

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RE: Variants and Options - 9/12/2021 1:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		While the nasty AI of Andy Mac in Insanity game keeps me on my toes in mid-42, I was thinking that the Allies could get what Brain B did in his mod and have the American 4e heavy bombers steadily get power turrets like the B-24s do with each version. The stats remain the same, but their effectiveness doubles for each 'power turret' that is added.
Lowering the SR on a particular airframe by one. I would like my P-38s to have more availability in 42/43 from this rather than resting so much.
For ground changes, how about increasing Aviation Support for select BFs and/or Air HQs? Maybe add in an upgrade in 1/43 that increases that number. Could be option for both sides.

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RE: Variants and Options - 10/3/2021 10:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		G'day All,

Was wondering if instead of (A14 .. Add 50 PBY-5 to pool= 2 points), would (A14 .. Add 25 PBY-5 and 25 F4F-4's to pool= 2 points) be ,allowed? And if yes, your balance could be what ever you want(30/20 or 35/15 or what ever). Just a thought.

Great Work!
thanks

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RE: Variants and Options - 10/3/2021 11:41:13 PM   
Nomad


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Status: offline 		Actually, since this is really an agreement between two players, any changes and/or additions to the variants list is fine. If both agree then go with it.
Both games I made changes on did this, there were agreements on various items made.

Basically, think of it as agreements on house rules. There are a lot of house rules about, this is just something a bit different.

< Message edited by Nomad -- 10/3/2021 11:50:05 PM >

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RE: Variants and Options - 10/23/2021 5:56:57 AM   
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I see a lot of no-brainers in this list for me :p

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/3/2021 2:28:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark VII

G'day All,

Was wondering if instead of (A14 .. Add 50 PBY-5 to pool= 2 points), would (A14 .. Add 25 PBY-5 and 25 F4F-4's to pool= 2 points) be ,allowed? And if yes, your balance could be what ever you want(30/20 or 35/15 or what ever). Just a thought.

Great Work!
thanks


For the same number of points, you could get more convoys coming in with aircraft.

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 6:28:09 PM   
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Idea 1:

Japanese High Command noted the effectiveness of the Allied 40mm AA guns throughout the war...and decided they need to accelerate the adoption of their own 40mm AA gun.

The 40mm T05AA gun, normally slated to arrive in 9/45 has been accelerated by throwing men and material into its program.

Have two purchase points:

1. Activation is now Jan 1945
2. Activation is now April 1944

Idea 2

Japan accelerates the development of aerial radars:

Accelerate all aerial radars by six months.











love this idea

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 6:30:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		So just to ask the variants "for idiots" question: I'm assuming that changes for both sides would be made in the editor by one player, then saved as a new scenario, then validated for accuracy by the opponent?

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 8:42:23 PM   
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So just to ask the variants "for idiots" question: I'm assuming that changes for both sides would be made in the editor by one player, then saved as a new scenario, then validated for accuracy by the opponent?


Preferably by a third person . . .

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 8:50:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

So just to ask the variants "for idiots" question: I'm assuming that changes for both sides would be made in the editor by one player, then saved as a new scenario, then validated for accuracy by the opponent?


Preferably by a third person . . .


having more than one friend who plays this? how popular do you think i am?!?

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 9:05:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

So just to ask the variants "for idiots" question: I'm assuming that changes for both sides would be made in the editor by one player, then saved as a new scenario, then validated for accuracy by the opponent?


Preferably by a third person . . .


having more than one friend who plays this? how popular do you think i am?!?


Ask someone to do the changes for each side so neither one knows the other sides choices. You may be surprised but someone just may do that for you and your opponent.

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/18/2021 10:58:13 PM   
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RE: Variants and Options - 11/19/2021 2:31:16 PM   
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If you need someone to do changes, I can do them.



thanks for the generous offer! we may take you up on that, though there is still much being negotiated at the moment

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/19/2021 7:45:25 PM   
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Soooo........two or three weeks of negotiations as a lead up to cementing what game two players are actually going to start?


Man, it really makes me glad I play solitaire.



OT edited.

Here on topic reply the Allied xAK to xAP conversions should be looked into as someone suggested above. In game (stock) there personal capacity is way to high PLUS in realizy even w/ the lower more correct capacity these ships were not fit to carry many soldiers over long distances only shorter trips. IIRC 900 men is the correct value in game it is 2000(!) writing from memory here. Also thay could not be used in a first wave assault on defended beaches (2nd wave and undefended yes)...I mean liberty ships mostly here.

< Message edited by Alpha77 -- 11/19/2021 8:12:17 PM >

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/19/2021 8:05:55 PM   
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Soooo........two or three weeks of negotiations as a lead up to cementing what game two players are actually going to start?


Man, it really makes me glad I play solitaire.



I was wondering if you play PBM at all... good to know you do not.
Cause it is a big difference. Again so negative, do not post if you have nothing to say I suggest You should try PBM, I challenge you officially for Scen2 game you IJ me Allies. Let me know if you accept.

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Here onm topic reply the Allied xAK to xAP conversions should be looked into as someone suggested above. In game (stock) there personal capacity is way to high PLUS in realizy even w/ the lower more correct capacity these ships were not fit to carry many soldiers over long distances only shorter trips. IIRC 900 men is the correct value in game it is 2000(!) writing from memory here. Also thay could not be used in a first wave assault on defended beaches (2nd wave and undefended yes)...I mean liberty ships mostly here.

This really has no place in this thread.

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/19/2021 8:11:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nomad, You mean my challenge ? You are correct, I will send him a PM, sorry for that I will let ppl. know if he accepts. I apologize for my OT post

Also thanks to the people making such cool mods.

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/20/2021 3:19:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak


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ORIGINAL: Nomad

If you need someone to do changes, I can do them.



thanks for the generous offer! we may take you up on that, though there is still much being negotiated at the moment


Can you also hold passwords in escrow? Cheesesteak seems to have a problem there...

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/20/2021 3:26:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nomad

If you need someone to do changes, I can do them.



thanks for the generous offer! we may take you up on that, though there is still much being negotiated at the moment



Can you also hold passwords in escrow? Cheesesteak seems to have a problem there...


If necessary, but I am 75 and not sure how long I will be around.

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/29/2021 5:05:03 PM   
Nomad


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If you need someone to do changes, I can do them.



thanks for the generous offer! we may take you up on that, though there is still much being negotiated at the moment


So what happened? Did negotiations fall through?

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/29/2021 5:09:58 PM   
Cheesesteak


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Status: offline 		Real life unfortunately intervened: both had busy spells at work. Gotta love arbitrary end of year deadlines.

We were leaning towards variants if I was playing Japan, but as we have switched sides, I believe my opponent has requested a ready-to-use mod. Appreciate you checking in to follow through on your offer. enjoying your AAR.



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RE: Variants and Options - 11/29/2021 5:23:29 PM   
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RE: Variants and Options - 11/30/2021 4:41:23 AM   
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You must inform your bosses that The War takes precedence. You must be given time to play.


+1

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RE: Variants and Options - 11/30/2021 5:00:16 PM   
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You must inform your bosses that The War takes precedence. You must be given time to play.





I find the amount of time spent on this forum is directly and positively correlated to the number of pointless meetings per day

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