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Anchorages - 11/23/2021 6:59:16 PM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulithi

"On 23 September 1944, a regiment of the United States Army's 81st Division landed unopposed, followed a few days later by a battalion of Seabees.[13] The survey ship USS Sumner examined the lagoon and reported it capable of holding 700 vessels—a capacity greater than either Majuro or Pearl Harbor. "

Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?

Ulithi anchorage - 700 ships
Majuro - ?
Peral Harbor -?
Simpson Harbor (Rabaul) -?

BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.
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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:02:57 PM   
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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:12:45 PM   
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From Wikipedia about Ulithi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulithi

"On 23 September 1944, a regiment of the United States Army's 81st Division landed unopposed, followed a few days later by a battalion of Seabees.[13] The survey ship USS Sumner examined the lagoon and reported it capable of holding 700 vessels—a capacity greater than either Majuro or Pearl Harbor. "

Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?

Ulithi anchorage - 700 ships
Majuro - ?
Peral Harbor -?
Simpson Harbor (Rabaul) -?

BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.

Seems like a fools errand - ships vary in size from 80 ton PT boats to 45,000 ton BBs/CVs. How can you figure out how many without knowing the specific size of the vessels and how long their anchor tether would normally be?

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wait, did USN submarines ever use anchorages? In the Ulithi photos all ships look like surface ships to me.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:27:28 PM   
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Wait, did USN submarines ever use anchorages? In the Ulithi photos all ships look like surface ships to me.

Subs would be clustered next to an AS, tied alongside the ship and then next to each other from there. Not sure what they used for bumpers between vessels.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:46:57 PM   
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From Wikipedia about Ulithi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulithi

"On 23 September 1944, a regiment of the United States Army's 81st Division landed unopposed, followed a few days later by a battalion of Seabees.[13] The survey ship USS Sumner examined the lagoon and reported it capable of holding 700 vessels—a capacity greater than either Majuro or Pearl Harbor. "

Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?

Ulithi anchorage - 700 ships
Majuro - ?
Peral Harbor -?
Simpson Harbor (Rabaul) -?

BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.

Seems like a fools errand - ships vary in size from 80 ton PT boats to 45,000 ton BBs/CVs. How can you figure out how many without knowing the specific size of the vessels and how long their anchor tether would normally be?


Check out https://ww2db.com/images/56230bdd7944e.jpg


Edit - major anchorages were Majuro and Eniwetok, Seeadler Habor in the Admiralty Islands and Ulithi. Smaller but still important as repair facilities and staging points for light craft, amphibious craft and convoys - Purvis Bay near Guadalcanal, Mios Woendi Island near Biak (Northern PNG), Kossol Roads north of Babeldaop (Palaus). Then there was Kerama Retto anchorage off Okinawa.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 7:57:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yaab

From Wikipedia about Ulithi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulithi

"On 23 September 1944, a regiment of the United States Army's 81st Division landed unopposed, followed a few days later by a battalion of Seabees.[13] The survey ship USS Sumner examined the lagoon and reported it capable of holding 700 vessels—a capacity greater than either Majuro or Pearl Harbor. "

Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?

Ulithi anchorage - 700 ships
Majuro - ?
Peral Harbor -?
Simpson Harbor (Rabaul) -?

BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.

Seems like a fools errand - ships vary in size from 80 ton PT boats to 45,000 ton BBs/CVs. How can you figure out how many without knowing the specific size of the vessels and how long their anchor tether would normally be?


Check out https://ww2db.com/images/56230bdd7944e.jpg

Link says I am forbidden from accessing it.
I have seen many pics of Ulithi with the fleet anchored there anyway.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:11:03 PM   
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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:12:40 PM   
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Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?


They did make it in to AE - every base (dot base or not) can function as an anchorage.

Worth considering how differently the USN operated from a large fleet base (a la Pearl Harbour) compared to the forward bases (Ulithi).

Close examination will find that the fleet train and tenders played a significant role, and that you can have just the same capabilities in AE as was the case historically.

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BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.


Demonstrably false. Hex 136, 119. Can be expanded to a size 4 port.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:21:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yaab

From Wikipedia about Ulithi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulithi

"On 23 September 1944, a regiment of the United States Army's 81st Division landed unopposed, followed a few days later by a battalion of Seabees.[13] The survey ship USS Sumner examined the lagoon and reported it capable of holding 700 vessels—a capacity greater than either Majuro or Pearl Harbor. "

Now, I know anchorages did not make it into WITP:AE. Still, is there a complete list of anchorages and their capacity made by USN during WW2?

Ulithi anchorage - 700 ships
Majuro - ?
Peral Harbor -?
Simpson Harbor (Rabaul) -?

BTW, Majuro is a total non-entity in WITP-AE.

Seems like a fools errand - ships vary in size from 80 ton PT boats to 45,000 ton BBs/CVs. How can you figure out how many without knowing the specific size of the vessels and how long their anchor tether would normally be?


Check out https://ww2db.com/images/56230bdd7944e.jpg

Link says I am forbidden from accessing it.
I have seen many pics of Ulithi with the fleet anchored there anyway.


Strange, link works just fine for me and shows the entire map tolsdorff's post shows only partly.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:22:26 PM   
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I ment anchorage capacities. I believe you can disband unlimited(?) number of ships at any base. I remember there was 1000-ships display glitch, but other than that Yap is as good as Ulithi.

As for Majuro, I don't remember any great battle/discussions about in the AARs or this forum.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:29:09 PM   
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There is another map online that shows the entire anchorage.

This is the cropped version.




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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:40:44 PM   
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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 8:45:39 PM   
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RE: Anchorages - 11/23/2021 10:35:33 PM   
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Try this link https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=25072 and the "full resolution" link provided on the page.


Danke sehr/merci beaucoup!

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RE: Anchorages - 11/24/2021 6:57:15 AM   
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Jap air raid incoming!

Questions:
-how ships at anchor are generating electricity? Batteries/ secondary generators?
-if no electricity avaialble, no analog computers/fire directors working plus AA mounts have to be traversed manually, right? Then flak accuracy would drop, resembling Jap flak, right?

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RE: Anchorages - 11/24/2021 8:26:27 AM   
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Ships are at anchor in Ulithi.

Jap air raid incoming!

Questions:
-how ships at anchor are generating electricity? Batteries/ secondary generators?
-if no electricity avaialble, no analog computers/fire directors working plus AA mounts have to be traversed manually, right? Then flak accuracy would drop, resembling Jap flak, right?


It's probably not going to matter, because of all the Corsairs etc flying CAP.

The more serious answer is that some ships had auxiliary diesels to generate power, or simply kept a boiler lit, and could do the old coal era oil spray trick* for a fast start (not fast enough to get going for a couple of hours, but fast enough to power up the turrets etc). There was a recent Drachinifel video where he mentioned this.

[* I don't understand the engineering of it, but it has something to do with heating the oil so that it becomes more inflammable - and allegedly room temperature standard bunkerage is not very inflammable to start with - and then spraying a rich mix on the flames to heat up things faster. Or something like that. Perhaps someone with some engineering fu can actually explain it correctly.)

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RE: Anchorages - 11/24/2021 11:44:28 AM   
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Ships are at anchor in Ulithi.

Jap air raid incoming!

Questions:
-how ships at anchor are generating electricity? Batteries/ secondary generators?
-if no electricity avaialble, no analog computers/fire directors working plus AA mounts have to be traversed manually, right? Then flak accuracy would drop, resembling Jap flak, right?


It's probably not going to matter, because of all the Corsairs etc flying CAP.

The more serious answer is that some ships had auxiliary diesels to generate power, or simply kept a boiler lit, and could do the old coal era oil spray trick* for a fast start (not fast enough to get going for a couple of hours, but fast enough to power up the turrets etc). There was a recent Drachinifel video where he mentioned this.

[* I don't understand the engineering of it, but it has something to do with heating the oil so that it becomes more inflammable - and allegedly room temperature standard bunkerage is not very inflammable to start with - and then spraying a rich mix on the flames to heat up things faster. Or something like that. Perhaps someone with some engineering fu can actually explain it correctly.)


The US DDs and I presume other ships also carried diesel.

But in game terms, the ship fired AA is halved when ships are disbanded into port.

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RE: Anchorages - 11/25/2021 9:06:12 PM   
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Try this link https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=25072 and the "full resolution" link provided on the page.

That one worked for me no problem. Thank you!

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