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As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything to AGP? - 12/11/2021 12:33:43 AM   
Tanaka


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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 12:36:36 AM   
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Anyone do this as Japan?


There are Japanese MTBs and MGBs which can convert back and forth.

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 12:42:49 AM   
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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 1:09:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Anyone do this as Japan?


There are Japanese MTBs and MGBs which can convert back and forth.


Right are AGP the only ships that can service these few ships for Japan?

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 1:43:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Anyone do this as Japan?


There are Japanese MTBs and MGBs which can convert back and forth.


Right are AGP the only ships that can service these few ships for Japan?


If only there was a document, that came with every copy of AE, either in hard format or digital, that held the answers to deep questions such as this.

See s20.1.2 and s14.2.3.2

Or even if the forum provided two links at the top of the main AE page for users to conduct effective searches for themselves...

< Message edited by mind_messing -- 12/11/2021 1:45:24 AM >

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 3:38:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka


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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Anyone do this as Japan?


There are Japanese MTBs and MGBs which can convert back and forth.


Right are AGP the only ships that can service these few ships for Japan?


If only there was a document, that came with every copy of AE, either in hard format or digital, that held the answers to deep questions such as this.

See s20.1.2 and s14.2.3.2

Or even if the forum provided two links at the top of the main AE page for users to conduct effective searches for themselves...


Thank you Alfred's lover I am aware of what AGP's do and how to use the manual and search I just did not know if Japan had other ships that could do the same thing for so few PT's Japan has. Looking to see if there is any reason to convert to them since there might not be any need to do so. Or if there was a difference in ships that load torpedoes for one type of ship or if they arm all ships that need torpedos. If an AD or AKE do the same thing arming wise and an AG does the same thing repair wise I don't see a reason to build AGP's. This is my question but thanks for your waste of my time.

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 7:13:08 AM   
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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 8:38:51 AM   
Tanaka


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Could you please fight your battles privately?


I've got no battle to fight and never wanted any battles. Just want to talk about the game. I've got nothing to say to the cult following privately. They can go worship their leader somewhere else but not in my threads. If they stay out of my threads and leave me alone there will be no battles. Simple as that. But like the leader they just cannot resist. The Cult of High Egos.

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 9:06:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka


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ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla

Could you please fight your battles privately?


I've got no battle to fight and never wanted any battles. Just want to talk about the game. I've got nothing to say to the cult following privately. They can go worship their leader somewhere else but not in my threads. If they stay out of my threads and leave me alone there will be no battles. Simple as that. But like the leader they just cannot resist. The Cult of High Egos.


One of them is going to tell you these are not your threads. Pages long legal blah blah and moral blah blah and other blah blah. Wasn't there once a thread derailed by the guy who shall not be named that went into this direction already?

As to the AGP, the only thing you need to convert as the Japanese are AKE and AR. You already got some AS/AD if you really need them and the rest can be done by the AKE and AR anyways and those also serve ships up to Yamato class and not just small stuff the size of a plastic boat.

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 10:24:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you want your cruisers and battleships to have to stand in line while the AKEs service your MTBs and DDs, then by all means don't bother creating any AGPs or even those worthless ADs.

There is a cost for every choice. Every seudo major port gets an AG in my games to service the small craft performing port maintenance in the way of ASW and Minesweeping so that Port Operations Points can be assigned to other tasks.

Every time I see a player ask what use different tenders are I want to just scream.

What use they are should be OBVIOUS.

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 11:01:34 AM   
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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 12:11:47 PM   
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If you want your cruisers and battleships to have to stand in line while the AKEs service your MTBs and DDs, then by all means don't bother creating any AGPs or even those worthless ADs.

There is a cost for every choice. Every seudo major port gets an AG in my games to service the small craft performing port maintenance in the way of ASW and Minesweeping so that Port Operations Points can be assigned to other tasks.

Every time I see a player ask what use different tenders are I want to just scream.

What use they are should be OBVIOUS.


I have yet to see any BB or CA waiting a second because a Japanese MTB was reloaded in ten thousand Japanese PBEM turns. You know how many MTB the Japanese have?

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 1:39:31 PM   
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Hey Guys,

There was a thread about this back in 2010.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2357971

It went off track about the AGP’s

Joe Wilkerson locked it up.
There was a one week ban for two players.

Seems there is just something about AGP’s and small tenders that
seems to push some players over the edge.

Tanaka,

You seem to want someone to give you a definitive answer on a particular question.
In many cases there is not one definitive answer.

It comes down to every individual players style of play and the
particular situation they face in every game.

As for AGP’s….. sometimes I use them, sometimes I don’t.
Sometimes I convert to a few AGP’s, sometimes I don’t.

For me the answer is “yes” sometimes there is a need to convert to AGP.
If you ask me when….. I can’t tell you…...it requires more context.

The big advantage of AGP’s for Japan is that they can repair and re-arm sub chasers.
They can reload DC’s (Depth Charges). There are a lot of areas along the Japanese oil
and resource trail from the SRA to the home islands where Japan can base sub chasers.

Look up Mike Solli. I consider him as near to an expert on the Japanese economy,
transport and ship conversions that is available for this game.

This is what he says about AG Conversions but it applies somewhat to AGP’s as well:

“Here's the other conversion I never used but should have.
The AG can assist the repair of Small Escorts and Small Craft as well as repair major damage of Small Craft.
An AG is basically an AD that can't repair a DD. You start out with 4 of these as well.
Mine never left the port they started the game in.
Why? Because I didn't bother to read about them. Bad mistake.

Once you know what an AD and AG can do, the first thought is, "Why bother building AGs when I can just build ADs."
Well, many of the small xAK(L) classes can be converted to AGs. You have lots of them.
An AG is useful in places the Small Escorts and Small Craft frequent, such as the oil and
resource hexes scattered around the SRA. I plan on putting one in each of those hexes.
I haven't counted them yet, but I will. That will tell me how many to convert.

These are the saving grace of the IJN. At first I overlooked them as well thinking they were useless
but after some research I found their purpose in life -- and that is to rearm SC, PC and PBs - the reload DCs :)

I am placing at least 1 at every little ASW hub I have and keeping several in reserve as they die easily.
I do not see how anyone can not convert a bunch of these for their ASW bases.”


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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 5:05:04 PM   
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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 6:01:02 PM   
Tanaka


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Status: offline 		Thanks guys great discussion that is all I wanted. Not looking for a definitive answer this helps me decide my individual style of play. Much appreciated!

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RE: As Japan is there ever a need to convert anything t... - 12/11/2021 6:31:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka
Thank you Alfred's lover I am aware of what AGP's do and how to use the manual and search I just did not know if Japan had other ships that could do the same thing for so few PT's Japan has. Looking to see if there is any reason to convert to them since there might not be any need to do so. Or if there was a difference in ships that load torpedoes for one type of ship or if they arm all ships that need torpedos. If an AD or AKE do the same thing arming wise and an AG does the same thing repair wise I don't see a reason to build AGP's. This is my question but thanks for your waste of my time.


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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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Could you please fight your battles privately?


I've got no battle to fight and never wanted any battles. Just want to talk about the game. I've got nothing to say to the cult following privately. They can go worship their leader somewhere else but not in my threads. If they stay out of my threads and leave me alone there will be no battles. Simple as that. But like the leader they just cannot resist. The Cult of High Egos.


I know that for whatever reason, Alfred singled you out while he was active here and I'll also agree that mind-messing's reply was snide and some minor push-back may have been in order, but that's not what you did.

You may say you do not want a battle, but referring to people as "Alfred's lover" and a "cult" that "worships their leader" is a personal attack. I think you're smart enough to know this and comments like the above will only lead to a flame war.

Consider this an official warning to keep civil in your discussions and stay focused on information rather than personal comments.

Locking this thread. Any comments from anyone on this, please PM me.

Regards,

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