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Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 11:50:31 AM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane
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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 12:18:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane

Salut and welcome back = )

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 12:31:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane


Manual covers your questions nicely

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 2:04:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane


OMG! OMG! OMG! Welcome back Stef78!!!! I missed you greatly!

Underlying undertones of WITE1 is in the majority of the game. You have some unlearning to do but very doable. Once you have the time spend a great deal on the Air war to get that under wraps. As for a scenario you know I never play them so someone better than I can answer that since I always jump head first into the campaign ;-)

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 3:05:01 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the answers

I've played the tutorial and won against AI but too easily (26.3to 1)

Lots of things are looking very familiar. Ground fights work the same way, russian offensive Ai works as usual... raw force only.

I've played depots automatically and didn't well understood how air war is managed. And I didn't succceed to merge units.

I will jump into the campaign against AI, WITE2 is looking nice!

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 3:06:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane


OMG! OMG! OMG! Welcome back Stef78!!!! I missed you greatly!

Underlying undertones of WITE1 is in the majority of the game. You have some unlearning to do but very doable. Once you have the time spend a great deal on the Air war to get that under wraps. As for a scenario you know I never play them so someone better than I can answer that since I always jump head first into the campaign ;-)

Always here HLYA! Nice to see you.

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 3:06:25 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: Dreamslayer


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane

Salut and welcome back = )


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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 3:07:08 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: jhdeerslayer


quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

After 2 years of break, I finally bought WITE2.

I hope I will enjoy it as much as WITE1. i spent roughly 5 000 hours and played more than 25 campaigns.

Some advices please?

Which scenario should I use to begin. Main changes versus WITE1? (I bought WitW, played some hours, but didn't enjoy it)

Really happy to be back!
Stéphane


Manual covers your questions nicely

I will plunge into the campaign and learn the hard way!

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 4:09:40 PM   
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even knowing WiTE1 its worth playing Velikie-Luki and the 3 June 1941 scenarios, even if just to make mistakes without investing a massive amount of time.

The player's notes in the Manual try to cover some of the main differences, the pinned showcase threads supplement that

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 6:12:02 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: loki100

good to see you again

even knowing WiTE1 its worth playing Velikie-Luki and the 3 June 1941 scenarios, even if just to make mistakes without investing a massive amount of time.

The player's notes in the Manual try to cover some of the main differences, the pinned showcase threads supplement that

thanks a lot.

you are not living in Scotland anymore?

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 6:40:15 PM   
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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/24/2021 9:25:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STEF78


quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

good to see you again

even knowing WiTE1 its worth playing Velikie-Luki and the 3 June 1941 scenarios, even if just to make mistakes without investing a massive amount of time.

The player's notes in the Manual try to cover some of the main differences, the pinned showcase threads supplement that

thanks a lot.

you are not living in Scotland anymore?


yes, but now on the far northern edge on one of the islands ...

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/25/2021 7:12:57 AM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

Nice to see you back.

Thanks Robert

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/25/2021 9:10:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Probably the most important thing to know is how to efficiently regain CPP. I saw many WITE1 players making the mistake of advancing every single unit like they used to and as a result their units have like 0 CPP. Once you get the hang of that and the air war plus a lot of the other changes, your experience should come flooding back to you in a good way.

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/25/2021 1:19:26 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

Probably the most important thing to know is how to efficiently regain CPP. I saw many WITE1 players making the mistake of advancing every single unit like they used to and as a result their units have like 0 CPP. Once you get the hang of that and the air war plus a lot of the other changes, your experience should come flooding back to you in a good way.

CPP? can you develop please?

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/25/2021 1:29:56 PM   
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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/25/2021 2:18:25 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: Zovs

Combat Prepreration Points


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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/27/2021 5:24:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the most important thing in WITE2 is learn how to manage CPP. If you've watched Strategy Gaming Dojo's slow motion disaster on YouTube, a lot of his issues are that he is playing without any regard to CPP.

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/27/2021 6:59:53 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		I read the rules concerning CPP. It's a major change.

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/27/2021 7:20:48 PM   
Zovs


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Status: offline 		Yes, you'll need to learn to rotate out and rest units to gain back CPP. Preferably on a rail, with a HQ, set to refit and not adjacent to any enemy units. Its a "skill" or "art" similar to how to setup your Depots and supply prioroties. Its something that comes with practice's of playing the game.

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/27/2021 7:39:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STEF78

I read the rules concerning CPP. It's a major change.


The good thing about effective CPP play is its also a really useful proxy measure for a lot else. In general keeping your CPP up keeps your fatigue low. It tends to reflect good use of reserves and balancing sustaining an offensive against building up suitable supply stocks

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/28/2021 12:10:19 AM   
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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/30/2021 12:50:16 PM   
STEF78


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Good to see you back, looking forward to your AARs!

Thanks, not ready for an HvH right now, still learning the new rules versus AI.

Air admin looks hard at the moment

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/30/2021 2:23:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		@STEF78, I have created two documents which may be of some assistance to you located in the War Room on both manually running the first turn Axis Air and a mini tutorial (not 100% complete).

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5101678

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5121246

No document but see my post 13 for Rail Repair, if needed: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5111320

Lastly, not really a real tutorial or anything and I am defiantly not of the caliber of HYLA or Tyrone but a mini AAR of Operation Typhon may bee of some help (or not): https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5113665

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 12/30/2021 2:43:52 PM   
STEF78


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ORIGINAL: Zovs

@STEF78, I have created two documents which may be of some assistance to you located in the War Room on both manually running the first turn Axis Air and a mini tutorial (not 100% complete).

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5101678

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5121246

No document but see my post 13 for Rail Repair, if needed: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5111320

Lastly, not really a real tutorial or anything and I am defiantly not of the caliber of HYLA or Tyrone but a mini AAR of Operation Typhon may bee of some help (or not): https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5113665

thanks, I will look at it

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 1/1/2022 7:32:57 PM   
STEF78


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Status: offline 		Well, taking Odessa proved to be a hard task
I used all the advices I get:
- naval patrol
- sapper and artillery support

4 attemps without success.

After the fall of Leningrad, I sent Model and it worked!

Maybe it's just luck when I see the CVs before modifications


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RE: Back to the eastern front - 1/1/2022 10:44:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, Odessa after Leningrad , you wasn't using any pioneers? They help against fortifications.

< Message edited by Stamb -- 1/1/2022 10:45:55 PM >

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RE: Back to the eastern front - 1/2/2022 12:12:05 PM   
STEF78


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Wow, Odessa after Leningrad , you wasn't using any pioneers? They help against fortifications.

The first 2 I didn't.

The third was with pioneers and naval patrol. I got 1.7/1, then I changed the leader and added artillery

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