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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/28/2021 10:56:31 AM   
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East Front-North and Far North(Konev and subordinates)

Russia was moving to attempt an encirclement of Finish troops with cavalry and mech units, but the cagey Fins sniff it out and withdraw.

The Novgorod Line gets a turn to set up, as German forces roll up to it, but do not attack. Stavka would like to start a new line behind the Volkhov River in advantageous terrain. But there simply are not any more units available.




The entire Sep Coastal army, at nearly 100% effectiveness and with full 36 steps, surrenders after one attack.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/28/2021 11:06:10 AM   
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For the most part, the Germans are positioning for attack here. The one major exception is the the Battle for Mogilev. The defenders here, the 2nd Siberian Army, repelled German assaults last turn. This turn, the Germans prep with heavy air attacks, then launch assaults with 4 infantry corps. Still, it takes 5 attacks to displace the Siberians.

Not a victory, but it is nice to see one attack not just roll over our forces. Examining the line, I do not believe it will functionally hold next turn. If we had one more turn to dig in, I might transfer armor here to attempt to act as a fire brigade. But Stavka does not believe the line's integrity will hold to a single breakthrough. German forcers somehow remain relatively fresh.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/28/2021 11:14:11 AM   
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Axis forces roll forward, probing the armored formations west of the river. These will be withdrawn, but for now they hold up. The main Axis push is around Kiev, where the Germans easily overwhelm 4 formations, including the Army defending Kiev proper. This allows for the encirclement of another mech corps. Again, unforgivable errors by me that will deprive us of decent formations that we just can't afford to lose. It is difficult to know when to make a stand, because the Russian forces are so easily displaced that one cannot always know if there is a threat of encirclement or not. Here, I believed at worst we could escape through the marshes, but the Italians cut us off, along with a German mech formations moving through multiple ZOCs.






The losses across all fronts of many of our very best units are incredibly demoralizing. What is worse is, we are extracting absolutely no price for the non stop destruction of these forces-the Germans and their allies continue to lose no formations and in most cases very few steps. We will survive until winter, but in the spring, my guess is it will actually be even less competitive, as we will have been so massively reduced in power while the Germans will actually be stronger, having had a winter to resupply and add formations.

The idea of a winter counter offensive, the lynchpin of Russian strategy, is absolutely laughable at this point.

By the middle of next summer, I believe it is inevitable that Russia will be unable to offer any significant resistance, and will at best exist as a rump state.

This, in addition to the ongoing slaughter in the BOA-which is sucking up huge amounts of resources while depriving the Axis of none, along with absolute Axis control of the Med, have me seriously considering waving the white flag.

I think this war is over.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/28/2021 11:33:19 AM   
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The Jig, it would seem, is up.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/28/2021 6:58:35 PM   
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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 9:06:37 AM   
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The idea of a winter counter offensive, the lynchpin of Russian strategy, is absolutely laughable at this point.

By the middle of next summer, I believe it is inevitable that Russia will be unable to offer any significant resistance, and will at best exist as a rump state.

This, in addition to the ongoing slaughter in the BOA-which is sucking up huge amounts of resources while depriving the Axis of none, along with absolute Axis control of the Med, have me seriously considering waving the white flag.

I think this war is over.


You still have room in USSR to fallback but I agree with you that next summer will be very hard. Do you have the current forces and casualties on both sides?

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 9:52:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		well. Nirosi wants to continue and feels the issue is still in doubt. I disagree, but that could be my lack of experience(or him just being nice)

in any case, I have agreed to carry on into 1943. I think the German offensive in 43 will likely be the end of things. But I think i should continue on until then. it only seems fair.

forces casualties as of now:

Russia 2185 forces 1465 casualties

Germany 1819 forces 465 casualties

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 10:04:05 AM   
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BOA-Perhaps tech takes a turn to upgrade? Allied dejection at the lack of impact of both the US and UK achieving higher convoy escort tech and seeing no results is turned around this turn. On this turn, Axis subs sink 10 MM, but take 15 step hits, including a sub sunk! These successes are tempered by our detection heavy bomber AGAIN failing to find subs-it has recorded only one hit in the whole war! Also, the German surface fleet is raiding the arctic and sinks 6 MM, bringing the total MM sunk to 16. Two Allied fleets are able to locate the Germans, but of course, again, we don't so much as fire a shot.

Overall, we are still losing the BOA. But if we can just make it COST Germany something to win, it might make a difference.


Norway/Swordfish-Supply is ultimately going to be an issue here. Germany will be fine. We might not be. A full German corps is apparently shipped in. Allied infantry makes contact. Our other infantry corps pursues the German security division north, engages it, and destroys it. In our very limited time, we need to secure another port(really, we should have made two landings, but fearing stronger defenders, we only made one), and also we would like to keep Oslo under pressure to prevent too many German troops from arriving. To this end, significant forces land in port this turn, including a full armored division. Terrain does not favor them, but they might be decisive if we can get them in the right spot.




England orders more MM and another escort. The one good thing for England right now is her losses are starting to become more manageable, allowing a gradual reduction in replacement/upgrade budget. This MIGHT allow England to start to have a bit of tactical flexibility.

US V Bomber group hits Hamburg to discourage rebuilding there. Enemy AA gun concentrations are increasing. XXI Bomb group makes a deep sortie into Germany, hitting the industrial city of Linz, near the Hungarian border. Essen and Dusseldorf are still badly damaged.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 10:13:13 AM   
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The Axis slip the noose and head west. Of course, I forgot that the small marine unit has no ZOC! All I managed to do is waste landing craft. It will be difficult for the Axis to handle us in terms of numbers, but now, having successfully extricated his forces, that may not be a problem. Supply will handcuff us badly-as we move away from Benghazi, we will not be able to maintain our forces. This is a problem without many solutions, and all of the solutions are a combination of costly/dangerous. Another concern here is, the further west we go, the more we will have to deal with Axis air/naval superiority. Allied planners see severe limitations on this campaign.

This turn, we rest our armor but pursue with infantry. No battles are fought. A possible amphib operations is being contemplated.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 10:22:16 AM   
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East Front-North(Konev) Germans continue advancing here. They push back a mech corps and rifle corps south of Leningrad. We are able to counter attack and push back a lone division on the front. The main effort is in Velike Luki, where German infantry and panzers eject a rifle corps there after a brief skirmish. Combined with a breakthrough in the south, this creates a real danger of mass encirclement. Displacement of the line will again be necessary.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 10:29:53 AM   
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An extremely unlikely series of events occurs here that throws the entire front, which had been our most stable, into chaos. The Russian 18th army, with a full 36 steps, heavily entrenched and with air cover, retreats after ONE attack and 4 step losses. This allows the Germans to push into the gap and overrun the weakened 10th Guards Army directly south. That alone is a huge blow, 10th Guards had been a good formation. It doesn't stop there, however. For some reason, Vatutin's HQ does not retreat when attacked, and is overrun. This entire front now has no commander. Not to mention a gaping hole in our lines where last turn fresh armies used to be. It's a fairly sickening situation. This entire line, which we hoped would be fairly solid, must again be abandoned, even though we have solidly dug in. No forces are capable of sealing the breach.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 10:40:38 AM   
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Encircled 24th Mech surrenders after a brief fight. Ground strikes and Axis movements around Dnepropeterovsk almost certainly mean the Axis plans their next attack there. Almost all Russian formations here are dug in along a river hex, and most of them are higher quality than other fronts and have been prioritized for reinforcement. If we were ever going to slow the Axis forces, who have advanced very far on this front, it would be here.

Krivoi Rog fell last turn, weakening overall Soviet production. Also, either last turn or the one prior, the Axis overtook the Allies in overall VPs. That's unlikely to come into play, but it was worth noting.





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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 11:49:46 AM   
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US bombing raids are costing Germany. But they certainly aren't cheap in terms of US casualties.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 12:14:26 PM   
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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 12:59:30 PM   
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These successes are tempered by our detection heavy bomber AGAIN failing to find subs-it has recorded only one hit in the whole war!


What is your advancement level in Detection and Electronics?

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 1:24:27 PM   
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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 1:31:04 PM   
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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 1:32:08 PM   
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I am seeing German with 12 & 14 action points! How is this possible?



i changed the display to show attack/defense strengths because I am so unfamiliar with Russian troops. should have made note of that!

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 1:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied spies sneak these photos out of German shipyards.

Ultra intercepts indicate this is known as the 'Type XXI Untersea Boat' and represents many strong technological advances for Axis captains.

It is uncertain when these boats will slip under the waves. But when they do, there will be hell to pay.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 7:17:40 PM   
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Norway/Swordfish-Germany continues to pump forces into this front. A division slips along the coast and lands in Bergen to reinforce the defenses there. We should have maintained a fleet here to prevent precisely this type of move, but we were desperate to chase the Kreigsmarine in the arctic.

Far more impactful is a sighting of a German armored division landing north of Oslo.

Still, we have the initiative. A lone division is setting up a screen west of Oslo. UK IX corps engages them, even though they have air support from German bombers in Denmark. Three determined attacks destroy the German security division. IX Corps maintains its position, while I Corps moves up to protect its left flank by occupying the hills to the north. They may get hit by German armor next turn.

Perhaps more important is the push north to try and take Bergen which would double our ability to supply formations here. The formation landed by the Germans is ID'd as 2nd Coastal Division-likely a low quality garrison unit. VIII Armor and I Corps(FFL) are able to destroy the division in two assaults. VIII Armor then moves east of Bergen into a good defensive position to repel the German armor should they head this way.

This capture shows the situation after the destruction of the two low quality German formations, with a fresh corps landing Stavanger along with a US tac bomber sqn.





In the BOA, reduced German wolf packs stay at it, but only manage to sink 3 MM while suffering 4 step hits.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 7:29:22 PM   
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Gibraltar-The Axis are going for the throat here. If they can take Gibraltar they seal the Western Med, and likely secure Italy for at least two years, and possibly the rest of the conflict. My botched invasion of Western Africa, Paladin, has put them in position for this.

An entire German corps is landed east of The Rock, supported by the Regia Marina in its entirety, along with a massive wave of ground and naval bombing onto the under strength defenders-the 20 step Gibralter garrison. Axis aircraft take heavy losses in their attacks, losing 17 steps to AA guns and the UK fighter there. The Germans then attack, but make little headway, losing 8 steps while only destroying one.

I will admit I have no idea how to react to this. Should I pull out the fighter there? What about the 4 light fleets currently docked there? I do not see that they have helped at all. What are my chances of holding next turn? Should I try to ship in a fresh Infantry formation? The garrison unit is down to 79% readiness. BUT it is heavily entrenched.

Ultimately, we decide to roll the dice. We will leave the formation there, gambling that the Germans have lost more than we have. Still, they have the naval support. We will also leave the fighter. It's a huge risk, but we absolutely need to hold. The US and UK fleets head south from the Arctic(obviously this was a ruse to get our fleets away from Gibralter all along-well played, Nirosi)-but they won't get there for TWO more turns.

We COULD try to send the fleet from the Eastern Med...




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 7:40:51 PM   
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But we don't.

After a long deliberation, allied admirals decide NOT to send the Eastern Med Fleet. For one thing, it is only recovered to about 65%, and would be lower once it arrived. But more importantly, the fleet would have to run the gauntlet of Axis bombers to get there. How many hits would it take?

But the fleet is not idle. With the Regia Marina occupied, we launch an amphibious invasion of Rhodes-a strategic island coveted by allied planners for several reasons. The Italian corps there has been prepped by heavy bombing and subs intercepting its supplies. The elite UK II Corps lands and, supported by tac bombers and the entire fleet, manages to force the Italians to surrender.

But...

It takes two attacks. This leaves us without an OP to take the port itself. Allied planners could not come up with a way to handle this possibility. Thus, the port remains in Axis hands, but unoccupied. IF they move a formation in there it will be the end of the UK II Corps. However, we leave the entire fleet there, with a sub for good measure. There's a good chance any troop ship that tries to land there will be sunk. It is a very difficult situation for both me and Nirosi. I hope when this is over, someone can tell me how this could have been avoided.

Allied forces continue to pursue Axis formations in Eastern Africa. They might try to make a stand at the small port of Misurata, but Allied brass doubts it. The defensive terrain is far better to the west, around the much bigger port of Tripoli. That is where we think they will make their stand. The supply lines, should we pursue that far, would be stretched to unreasonable lengths.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 7:49:18 PM   
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The Germans do not launch large scale attacks here, but just reposition. There is, however, an attack by strong German formations in the marshes east of the Lovat River, which displaces the weak Russian units here. We had hoped the poor terrain here would discourage Axis action, and thus had only low quality units here. We will continue to give ground, but must be mindful of not allowing an opportunity for encirclements.

There is also concern in Stavka that the Germans might attack the 27th Army directly south of Leningrad-but little can be done to discourage an action there.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 8:00:26 PM   
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Vasily Gerasimenko is railed south. Formerly in charge of holding the Fins along the Volkhov, his responsibilities have grown considerably. Quite frankly, he isn't up to the job. But he is the best we have.

The Germans move up to embrace out new "line" along the northern Dnieper. They will almost certainly expel us from Smolensk next turn, as they move three impossibly fresh formations into position to take the city. This front won't last long, and the trick here will be to try and not lose any formations to encirclement. A withdrawal to the Rzhev River in the north, and the Besed River in the south-the last river lines before Moscow, is accepted. But a minor stand will be made here. German armor and mech units are in the north near Velikie Luki, so Stavka feels the threat of encirclement is low.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 8:10:03 PM   
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Repositioning of Hungarian forces indicates they will be tasked with holding defensively favorable areas in the SE Pripyet along the river line. They are backed, however, by a large number of German formations. Is this a set up for winter deployment, or a prelude to a last eastward lunge?

To the south, German formations array themselves for an assault into the city of Dnepropetrovsk, expelling the Soviet 9th Army from its position south of the city. The Soviet 2nd Army holds the city, but will be no match for the attacking Germans.

Soviet air assets are being repositioned eastward. Wherever possible, armor is pulled out of the line and replaced by infantry.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 8:56:07 PM   
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The entire balance of power in the Western Med has come down to this. The defenders of The Rock must fight or die.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 9:02:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for hanging in there as I'm really enjoying this AAR! And, at least your dishing out a little bit of pain now.

But, I share your bewilderment at the inability of the allies to ever find and hit Axis surface forces.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 9:20:09 PM   
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Thanks for hanging in there as I'm really enjoying this AAR! And, at least your dishing out a little bit of pain now.

But, I share your bewilderment at the inability of the allies to ever find and hit Axis surface forces.



thank you!

I was concerned the AAR might lose it's luster as defeat became inevitable. But I am going to try tokeep writing it(and playing it) as though the issue is in doubt.

As my friend Jack Burton once said, 'You never can tell...'

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/29/2021 9:42:52 PM   
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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 12/30/2021 8:44:47 AM   
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August 28, 1942

The Russian 18th army, with a full 36 steps, heavily entrenched and with air cover, retreats after ONE attack and 4 step losses.


Russian armies are not strong enough. Let me guess 30% experience?

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