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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/30/2021 9:58:53 PM

KLAB

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Transfer from CWDB to DB3K?
Any chance the former Rhodesian aircraft still used by Zimbabwe in the 1990's to 2000's could be transferred over?
Arms embargoes didn't start crippling the fleet until quite late into the 2000's.
Specifically the
FTB.337G Lynx, SF.260 and Alouette and AB.205 G cars were all used in the Congo interventions in 96/97 and 98 to 2003.
Appreciate land locked African countries may not be a top priority!
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4070/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4073/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4074/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4077/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4071/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/31/2021 2:26:36 PM

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<type>MODIFY</type>
<summary>Add Altius 600 UAV loadout to the XQ-58 Valkyrie UAV.</summary>
<detail>Altius 600 was previously added in the DB as a weapon and aircraft. Valkyrie has successfully deployed the Altius 600 from the same launch tube as used for existing Viper Strike and SGM loads. Currently 2 in the DB so 2 Altius UAVs in a recon loadout is suggested.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40068/xq-58a-valkyrie-uses-weapons-bay-for-first-time-to-launch-smaller-drone
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/04/08/usaf-valkyrie-launches-drone/
https://theaviationist.com/2021/04/06/ever-seen-a-drone-dropping-another-drone-take-a-look-at-the-xq-58-valkyrie-releasing-an-altius-600-uas/
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/unmanned-valkyrie-releases-altius-600-drone-in-sixth-test-flight/143193.article
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/04/05/the-valkyrie-drone-launches-an-even-smaller-drone-from-inside-its-payload-bay/
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/31/2021 2:52:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Transfer from CWDB to DB3K?
Any chance the former Rhodesian aircraft still used by Zimbabwe in the 1990's to 2000's could be transferred over?
Arms embargoes didn't start crippling the fleet until quite late into the 2000's.
Specifically the
FTB.337G Lynx, SF.260 and Alouette and AB.205 G cars were all used in the Congo interventions in 96/97 and 98 to 2003.
Appreciate land locked African countries may not be a top priority!
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4070/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4073/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4074/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4077/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4071/

To piggy back this could some additional aircraft be added which are already existing in the DB for nations like Zambia and the Philippines which Zimbabwe uses or has used such as the...

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add AB.212, AB.205, BN-2A, C-212, K-8, Mi-35, and Mi-17, and C-47.</summary>
<detail>Copy preexisting db units to Zimbabwe, K-8's serve as a Hawk replacement and may employ similar armaments so the PRC entry was selected as the closest match.</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_of_Zimbabwe#Aircraft
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=75345
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3739/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5381/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5052/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5050/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/4466/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2229/
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/31/2021 5:13:06 PM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Add updated Qatar NASAM SAM sysem with AMRAAM-ER</summary>
<detail>Qatar indicated as the first buyer for AMRAAM-ER for NASAM</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28944/qatar-to-get-amraam-er-equipped-surface-to-air-missile-system-u-s-capital-may-be-next
https://www.kongsberg.com/newsandmedia/news-archive/2019/kongsberg-awarded-nasams-air-defence-contract-worth-56-billion-nok/
https://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2019-07-10-Qatar-awards-Raytheon-approximately-2-2-billion-for-additional-integrated-air-and-missile-defense-capability
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/raytheon-nasams-patriot-systems-qatar/
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/2/2022 12:31:16 PM

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To piggy back the piggy back...
<type>Add</type>
<summary>
Zimbabwean MK60 an Mk60A Hawks were apparently deployed with PL-7 AAM as a direct drop in replacement for AIM-9'S (EMBARGOED) over the Congo is 1998-2003.
</summary>
<detail>
Add 2 x PL-7 AAM and drop tanks as an air defence load out for Zimbabwean Mk60/A Hawks from circa 1998.
</detail>
<evidence>
Books Great Lakes Conflagration - Second Congo War 1998-2003. Tom Cooper - Helion Publishing - Africa at War Series ISBN 978-1-909384-66-8 PP.38
"Initially AFZ Hawks flew armed reconnaissance sorties, some of them armed with Chinese PL-7 air to air missiles"
Imagery wise there is nothing I can find so far to show PL-7 in use with the Hawks but Zimbabwe did take delivery of J-7/F-7 in the same time frame and they came with the PL-7, but they were busting sanctions, so not surprising it wasn't in the press release!
http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/HI/HI-11/45-1.jpg - Hawk Mk60 was capable of using AIM-9 when delivered by BAe. Matra Magic used a similar interface to the AIM-9 and THE PL-7 is a blatant copy of Magic, so the ZAF had the means motive and method.
<evidence>
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tylerblakebrandon

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Transfer from CWDB to DB3K?
Any chance the former Rhodesian aircraft still used by Zimbabwe in the 1990's to 2000's could be transferred over?
Arms embargoes didn't start crippling the fleet until quite late into the 2000's.
Specifically the
FTB.337G Lynx, SF.260 and Alouette and AB.205 G cars were all used in the Congo interventions in 96/97 and 98 to 2003.
Appreciate land locked African countries may not be a top priority!
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4070/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4073/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4074/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4077/
http://cmano-db.com/cw/aircraft/4071/

To piggy back this could some additional aircraft be added which are already existing in the DB for nations like Zambia and the Philippines which Zimbabwe uses or has used such as the...

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add AB.212, AB.205, BN-2A, C-212, K-8, Mi-35, and Mi-17, and C-47.</summary>
<detail>Copy preexisting db units to Zimbabwe, K-8's serve as a Hawk replacement and may employ similar armaments so the PRC entry was selected as the closest match.</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_of_Zimbabwe#Aircraft
https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=75345
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/3739/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5381/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5052/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/5050/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/4466/
https://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2229/
</evidence>

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 1/2/2022 11:42:15 PM

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SS-N-27 Sizzler on Russian Sub Yasen Class not capable of submerged launch.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 1/3/2022 5:46:06 PM

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The error is not with the entry about the booster as it cannot be sublaunched as its the terminal phase when the missile is already airborne.
The error is that the entire missile 3M54 (sublaunched) needs to be added to the Yasens mounts not just the terminal high speed booster phase. Think this has been raised as an error in the DB492 build as it used to be ok?

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

SS-N-27 Sizzler on Russian Sub Yasen Class not capable of submerged launch.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 1/3/2022 6:13:45 PM

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quote:

hink this has been raised as

Yes, right now the Yansen is default loaded with the terminal boosted warhead. The actual missile that carries the warhead (below) is sub-launchable and defaulted to other Russian boats like the Oscar III.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 1/4/2022 1:14:31 AM

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So this thread goes all the way back to 2013, is it possible for Forum owner, to edit posts, saying that it has been solved or added? Would be encouraging to know that user adds are looked at and acted upon.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/4/2022 2:09:47 AM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Change range of AIM-120D</summary>
<detail>The range in the game says 75nm, but several sources claim longer range, from 87nm and up</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/us-air-force-claims-longest-air-to-air-missile-shot-with-aim-120-amraam/143293.article#:~:text=The%20range%20of%20the%20AIM,information%20about%20combat%20aircraft%20limitations. About 87nm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEY6rhQRFoI +105nm
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/aim120_amraam.htm ~100nm
https://militaryanalizer.com/aim-120-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missile-amraam/ +86nm
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/aim-120c-amraam-and-the-modernisation-of-america-and-its-allies-long-range-air-to-air-capabilities 86nm - 97nm
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-jets-may-be-vulnerable-because-of-own-weapons-2021-12?r=US&IR=T ~ 100nm
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/aim-120-specs.htm +97nm
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/4/2022 3:40:38 AM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Updated Gotland class submarine 2019 MLU</summary>
<detail> +20 systems upgraded, including new combat management system, new AIP system, ES-3701 (already in game), new mast suite, SA9510S sonar(used by type 212CD sub not in game and just ordered), Sagem Series 30 optronic mast system(in game on Scorpene subs), EM 2040 Dual RX </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.offshore-energy.biz/saab-chooses-kongsberg-sonar-for-a19-submarines/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/06/second-gotland-class-submarine-hms-uppland-relaunched-following-mlu-by-saab/
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/year-2015-news/january-2015-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/2330-exelis-to-supply-sweden-with-es-3701-maritime-electronic-warfare-systems-for-gotland-class-ssk.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/05/17/swedens-famously-stealthy-submarine-just-got-even-quieter/?sh=664b6d342bfb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torped_47
https://www.saab.com/sv/newsroom/press-releases/2020/saab-levererar-uppgraderad-ubat-i-gotlandsklass-till-fmv
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/year-2015-news/may-2015-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/2672-sagem-to-provide-optronic-masts-for-swedish-navy-gotland-class-overhaul-a-future-a26-submarine.html
https://www.kongsberg.com/maritime/products/ocean-science/mapping-systems/multibeam-echo-sounders/em-2040-multibeam-echosounder-max.-600-m/
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/newskongsberg-to-supply-sonar-and-multibeam-systems-for-swedish-submarines-4498320/

</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/4/2022 12:15:25 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>North Korean Mi-25 (Aircraft #1383) and Mi-14PL (Aircraft #1470) should be flagged as hypothetical</summary>
<detail>According to the definitive On The Path of Songun, the rumored North Korean Hind deal never actually happened, and they have never been seen in any kind of parade or demonstration.</detail>
<Evidence>On the Path Of Songun, Mitzer and Oliemans, page 99-100:

quote:

Reports of up to 47 Mi-24Ds reaching the DPRK stemmed from a misreporting to the US Congressional Research Service decades ago and are therefore certainly incorrect, which is not surprising given the fact that North Korean military doctrine seemed to favour lighter helicopter gunships instead. In the same vein reports about a handful of Mi-14PL ASW helicopters delivered during the same period also appear to be false.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/5/2022 8:03:56 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Jordan has upgraded F-16s, in the name it says on a few loadouts AIM-120C7 but on the actual store its AIM-120B</summary>
<detail>As far as I can tell they actually bought AIM-120C7 and the missile is already in the game</detail>
<Evidence>https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aim-120-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missile-amraam/
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Jordanian_Air_Force#Armament
According to last link they also have the AIM-9P and AIM-9X

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/5/2022 9:54:10 PM

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"In aid of Juche: how Cuban anti-submarine helicopters ended up in North Korea - Oryx" https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/05/in-aid-of-juche-how-cuban-anti.html?m=1
https://www.nknews.org/2020/05/in-aid-of-juche-how-cuban-anti-submarine-helicopters-ended-up-in-north-korea/
Haze may not be as hypothetical as it seems and the second article has an alleged Satellite image of the Mi-14 x 2 at Wonsan DPRK in 2017 but who knows?
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

<type>Update</type>
<summary>North Korean Mi-25 (Aircraft #1383) and Mi-14PL (Aircraft #1470) should be flagged as hypothetical</summary>
<detail>According to the definitive On The Path of Songun, the rumored North Korean Hind deal never actually happened, and they have never been seen in any kind of parade or demonstration.</detail>
<Evidence>On the Path Of Songun, Mitzer and Oliemans, page 99-100:

quote:

Reports of up to 47 Mi-24Ds reaching the DPRK stemmed from a misreporting to the US Congressional Research Service decades ago and are therefore certainly incorrect, which is not surprising given the fact that North Korean military doctrine seemed to favour lighter helicopter gunships instead. In the same vein reports about a handful of Mi-14PL ASW helicopters delivered during the same period also appear to be false.

</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/8/2022 5:43:05 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Replace entry Aircraft #4894</summary>
<detail>
Take a look at Aircraft #4894. It is an Israeli F-15E with US weapons other than a rampage loadout. Looks like somebody copied over and didn't finish and entry. Has existed for maybe 4-5 DB interactions. </detail?
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/planning/orbats/israel
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/10/2022 7:25:43 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Please add S cube sonar system on listed submarines </summary>
<detail>
The wide S-Cube catalog comprises bow, aft, flank, distributed, towed, intercept and active arrays, self-noise monitoring, MOAS, as well as associated functions.

As an integrated system, it offers instantaneous access to all sensors data. These data can also be post-processed on a long historical period at any moment on request of the sonar operator, providing an invaluable tool for contact analysis and classification, localization
and tracking.

The S-CUBE can be integrated with any CMS and operated from Multi-Function Consoles.

MAIN CHARACTERISTICS
System features:
Scalable for all sizes of the submarine (from costal SSK to oceanic SSK)
New-build programs and refit projects
- for experienced Navies as well as for navies operating subs for the first time
- Fulfilling the customer and shipyard requirements through possible sonar sensors options available for submarines
- Modular architecture based on COTS
- Qualified to Military Environmental standards
Bow Array: cylindrical and conformal
Stern array for full panoramic coverage
Planar Flank Array
Towed Array (clip-on or fully reelable)
Intercept Array
Distributed Array
Active Array in BF and HF bandwith
Mine & Obstacle Avoidance Array
Self Noise Monitoring hydrophones

Launched in 2006, already contracted by 3 Navies:

Brazilian Navy, 4 systems, Scorpene
Indian Navy (P75 Program), 6 systems
A South American Navy (209 submarine modernization), 2 systems
<evidence>
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/s-cube-integrated-submarine-sonar-suite
https://www.militaryperiscope.com/weapons/sensorselectronics/sonars/s-cube-submarine-sonar-system
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/p75-scorpene-class-attack-submarines/
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/10/2022 5:11:32 PM

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<type>ADD and UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add JAS-39C and D to Czech republic(12+2) and Hungary(12+2)</summary>
<detail>Leased aircraft from Sweden, Czech and Hungarian aircraft upgraded to latest version in the Swedish entry, however they do not have the Meteor, instead they have the AMRAAM AIM120C-7 version, they tried to buy the cheaper C-5 version but it was discontinued before order, as well as Sidewinder AIM-9X. Also read that they have the Paveway MkII but cant find the link. Below link also states the Maverick. Hungary also just bought 2021 the IRIS-T. The Brazil entry says that the JAS-39E has been cancelled and that just isnt true. What is true is that there has been a discussion with India and Brazil and possibly Thailand to make a carrier version but that is still only on the drawing board, so not cancelled since it hasnt gotten very far yet. But the Gripen E/F is very much being used by Brazil</detail>
<evidence>
https://defence24.com/czech-republic-modernizes-its-gripen-fighters
https://web.archive.org/web/20120329033806/http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/news-2005-04-06
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsswedish-fmv-updates-gripen-fighter-lease-agreement-with-hungary-5748582/
https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/12/23/hungary-purchases-iris-t-missiles-as-part-of-the-gripen-ms20-block-ii-modernization-program/
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/10/2022 7:35:47 PM

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<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add Updated Skyshield OECM to Israel F-16 SEAD loadouts</summary>
<detail>Israeli now using an updated Skyshield system (TM?)Centerline pod and looks like carried with bombs on F-16 1-18 Ghz so L,S,C,X, Ku Looks like two variants one small, one large (guessing we'll won't know the power difference ever). Configuration in pictures is Barak with 4 AAM, 1 Spice 1000, 4 SDB, Skyshield, 2 fuel tank. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Sky-Shield.pdf
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/11/2022 10:35:48 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>add Iraqi Boeing 727 SIGINT and COMINT conversion</summary>
<detail>
According to the book Desert Storm Volume 1: the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and operation Desert Shield 1990-1991, Iraq converted a Boeing 727 to a ELINT platform.
I can't find any more information on it in the book, except that it was briefly locked on by a Kuwaiti Mirage during the Iraqi invasion.
</detail>
<evidence>
Hooton, E. R., & Cooper, T. (2019). Desert Storm. Volume 1: The Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait & Operation Desert Shield 1990�1991 (Middle East@War). Helion and Company. Page 22

quote:

More effective proved the conversion of a Boeing 727 airliner into a platform for COMINT- and SIGINT gathering, and data-links enabling it to fuse the collected information directly into the Kari's ADCOC in real time. Nick-named Faw-727, this aircraft became operational in early 1988.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/11/2022 8:41:53 PM

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<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Replace all AA-11 (R-73) with AA-8 (R-60) in iraqi MiG-29 loadouts</summary>
<detail>
According to the book Desert Storm Volume 1: the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and operation Desert Shield 1990-1991, Iraq never received R-73E for their MiG-29, they were instead armed with R-60M/MK. The SIPRI arms transfer database also does not mention R-73E being trasferred to Iraq.
Please replace all AA-11 (R-73)(DB ID: #1896) with AA-8 (R-60) (DB ID: #1897) in Iraqi MiG-29(ID: #1347 and #3342) loadouts
</detail>
<evidence>
Hooton, E. R., & Cooper, T. (2019). Desert Storm. Volume 1: The Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait & Operation Desert Shield 1990�1991 (Middle East@War). Helion and Company. Page 22

quote:

Iraqi MiG-29s were armed with R-27R (ASCC/NATO-codename 'AA-10 Alamo') and R-60M/MK (ASCC/NATO-codename 'AA-8 Aphid') missiles and thus lacked the most advanced Soviet short-range air-to-air missile, the R-73E (ASCC/NATO-codename 'AA-11 Archer').

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/12/2022 8:41:26 AM

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Additional information on the Iranian Bavar-373 Air Defense System:

Also please see the Update 4th January 2022 (bottom of the webpage) on: https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2019/08/irans-bavar-373-profile.html

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/12/2022 8:50:13 AM

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Additional information on the Iranian Fakour 90/AIM-23B with composite body (+fins & wings) + 🇺🇲 SARH-seeker of the MIM-23B I-Hawk MR-SAM with propulsion by an Aerojet General M112 dual-thrust solid-propellant motor.

Movielink:
https://twitter.com/maysam21901/status/1447658640605908994

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/12/2022 9:23:21 AM

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Tech Specs of the Iranian AD-08 Majid SAM:
https://twitter.com/imp_navigator/status/1478595902449328128

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/13/2022 12:34:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: KLAB

"In aid of Juche: how Cuban anti-submarine helicopters ended up in North Korea - Oryx" https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/05/in-aid-of-juche-how-cuban-anti.html?m=1
https://www.nknews.org/2020/05/in-aid-of-juche-how-cuban-anti-submarine-helicopters-ended-up-in-north-korea/
Haze may not be as hypothetical as it seems and the second article has an alleged Satellite image of the Mi-14 x 2 at Wonsan DPRK in 2017 but who knows?
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ORIGINAL: Coiler12

<type>Update</type>
<summary>North Korean Mi-25 (Aircraft #1383) and Mi-14PL (Aircraft #1470) should be flagged as hypothetical</summary>
<detail>According to the definitive On The Path of Songun, the rumored North Korean Hind deal never actually happened, and they have never been seen in any kind of parade or demonstration.</detail>
<Evidence>On the Path Of Songun, Mitzer and Oliemans, page 99-100:

quote:

Reports of up to 47 Mi-24Ds reaching the DPRK stemmed from a misreporting to the US Congressional Research Service decades ago and are therefore certainly incorrect, which is not surprising given the fact that North Korean military doctrine seemed to favour lighter helicopter gunships instead. In the same vein reports about a handful of Mi-14PL ASW helicopters delivered during the same period also appear to be false.

</evidence>

The Mi-14 is indeed not hypothetical as is mentioned later in the same book that the original quote is from, and the articles.
The passage that Coiler quoted talks about false reports of Mi-14s being delivered by the USSR, the articles and the following quotes from the same book however are about Mi-14s transferred by Cuba (and possibly another unknown nation) to the DPRK in the 1990s.
On the Path Of Songun, Mitzer and Oliemans, page 119:

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Lastly at least two Ka-28s and two Mi-14s were acquired by North Korea from Cuba in the late 1990s, replacing the Mi-4s previously used by the Naval Flight Squadron.

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Satellite imagery however reveals five Ka-27 derivatives and up to four Mi-14s at Inhung air base on the eastern coast, indicating more examples were sourced from other nations to form a relatively sizeable fleet. Of course satellite imagery is insuffecient to determine the precise variants concerned, it is possible that the excess Mi-14s and Ka-28s are in fact Mi-8/17s and civilian ka-32s (possibly used for spare parts).

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/13/2022 4:46:03 PM

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So the Hazes are not hypothetical but the Hinds still are. Thanks for the correction.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/13/2022 11:18:00 PM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Ta Chiang, Taiwanese Catamaran Corvette</summary>
<detail>
AAW version of Tuo Chiang Corvette with ASW torpedoes removed and 16xTC-2N added.
11 ships planned first one commisioned 2021
</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuo_Chiang-class_corvette
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/09/taiwan-commissions-first-upgraded-catamaran-corvette-ta-chiang-%E5%A1%94%E6%B1%9F/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/05/taiwans-first-upgraded-and-modified-catamaran-corvette-started-sea-trial/
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2021/december/11085-taiwanese-corvette-ta-chiang-fires-sea-sword-ii-missile.html
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/taiwanese-navy-receives-first-improved-tuo-chiang-class-corvette
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/09/10/2003764120
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/14/2022 10:42:56 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Hypotetical E-10A USAF (E-8 JSTARS replacement, cancelled in 2007)</summary>
<detail>

The Northrop Grumman E-10A Multi-Sensor Command and Control Aircraft (MC2A) was an ambitious program to replace several types with a single model. As David Willis reveals, it proved to be too ambitious and was quickly dropped when the US Air Force (USAF) needed funds for higher priority projects.

The Northrop Grumman E-10 MC2A was planned as a multi-role military aircraft to replace the Boeing 707 based E-3 Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) Sentry, E-8 Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (J-STARS), and RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft in US service. It was based on the 767-400ER commercial airplane.

Initially, the E-10A is intended to replace the E-8C Joint Stars aircraft to provide improved tracking of moving ground targets. Additionally, it will be designed to detect low-flying cruise missiles. Later derivatives of the E-10A could replace the Boeing E-3 AWACS airborne surveillance aircraft (E-10B) and RC-135 Rivet Joint signals intelligence aircraft (E-10C).

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This version would have provided substantial Joint Cruise Missile Defense (CMD) capability with focused Air Moving Target Indicator (AMTI) modes and augment the E-8 Joint STARS in the ground surveillance role.

They planned to have the E-10A operational in 2013.

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.key.aero/article/story-behind-usafs-failed-e-10a-mc2a-programme
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/e10a-shes-dead-jim-03139/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_E-10_MC2A
https://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/e-10.htm
https://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2004/july/i_ids2.html
https://scholar.afit.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1028&context=docs
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Thanks! :)

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/14/2022 10:45:16 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>AAD (Ashwin Air Defense) Endoatmospheric Anti-ballistic missile </summary>
<detail>
Specifications
Mass: 1,200 kg (2,600 lb)
Length: 7.5 m (25 ft)
Diameter: <0.5 m (1.6 ft)
Warhead: Pre-fragmented warhead
Warhead weight: 80 kg (180 lb)
Detonation mechanism: Hit-to-kill interception
Engine: Single stage
Propellant: Solid fuel
Operational range: 200 km (120 mi)
Flight ceiling: 40 km (25 mi)
Maximum speed: Mach 5
Guidance system: Inertial navigation system with mid-course update (guidance by Super swordfish, INS Dhurv, EL-2090 Phalcon AEW)
Terminal: Active radar homing
Launch platform: BEML-Tatra TEL 8 � 8 (6x Missiles in canisterised configuration on single TEL)
</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ballistic_Missile_Defence_Programme
https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/threads/indian-ballistic-missile-defence-programme-updates-and-discussions.616/
https://youtu.be/QkI9OHGPzkc
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/drdo-bmd/
https://theprint.in/defence/indias-ballistic-missile-shield-ready-iaf-drdo-to-seek-govt-nod-to-protect-delhi/345853/
</evidence>

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/14/2022 10:51:03 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Super Swordfish L Band Radar</summary>
<detail>
Target acquisition and fire control radar for the BMD system.
Can Guide Exo-atmospheric interceptor missile PAD to hit its target in space at an altitude over 80 km from earth.
It can detect and track 200 targets simultaneously traveling at a speed of over Mach 12.
The Swordfish LRTR currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball (3-inches in diameter), which the DRDO is in the process of upgrading to 1,500 km as of 2012. These may end up as entirely new designs as well.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ballistic_Missile_Defence_Programme
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/india/swordfish.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordfish_Long_Range_Tracking_Radar
https://theprint.in/defence/indias-ballistic-missile-shield-ready-iaf-drdo-to-seek-govt-nod-to-protect-delhi/345853/
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 1/14/2022 10:58:17 AM

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<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) Exoatmospheric Anti-ballistic missile </summary>
<detail>
Specifications
Warhead: Pre-fragmented warhead
Warhead weight: 40 kg (88 lb)
Detonation mechanism: Proximity fuze
Engine Two Stage with gas thruster
Propellant First stage: Dual propellant liquid fuel and oxidizer,
Second stage: Solid fuel
Operational range: 3,000 km (1,900 mi)
Flight altitude: 80 km (50 mi)
Maximum speed: Mach 5
Guidance system (guidance by Super swordfish, INS Dhurv, EL-2090 Phalcon AEW)
Mid-course: Inertial navigation system with ground-based mid-course correction
Terminal: Active radar homing
Launch platform: BEML-Tatra TEL 8 � 8 (1x missile on each TELs)
</detail>
<evidence>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ballistic_Missile_Defence_Programme
https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/threads/indian-ballistic-missile-defence-programme-updates-and-discussions.616/
https://www.mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/AR8.pdf
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/drdo-bmd/
https://theprint.in/defence/indias-ballistic-missile-shield-ready-iaf-drdo-to-seek-govt-nod-to-protect-delhi/345853/
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