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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 9:38:21 PM   
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You also get trade income of two types as the state.

1. The resource trade income from tariffs (based on other empires/independents buying good from you), as well as fuel sales to the private sector.


Obviously it's outside the scope of the initial release, but have you and Elliot ever seriously considered implementing arms-trading? The arms trade is a huge global industry which "manufactures and sells weapons and military technology," as per Google's definition. With how detailed ship design is in DW2, I always thought it would be an especially cool addition to the franchise. It almost feels like a natural step forward to sell or even gift ships, considering research can already be traded. This would also encourage proxy wars.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 9:46:21 PM   
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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 9:47:47 PM   
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Obviously it's outside the scope of the initial release, but have you and Elliot ever seriously considered implementing arms-trading? The arms trade is a huge global industry which "manufactures and sells weapons and military technology," as per Google's definition. With how detailed ship design is in DW2, I always thought it would be an especially cool addition to the franchise. It almost feels like a natural step forward to sell or even gift ships, considering research can already be traded. This would also encourage proxy wars.


Yes - well tech trading is already part of that, which includes all kinds of military technologies as well as projects that unlock new ships/station hulls but the idea of selling military ships is certainly in the plan.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 9:52:29 PM   
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Obviously it's outside the scope of the initial release, but have you and Elliot ever seriously considered implementing arms-trading? The arms trade is a huge global industry which "manufactures and sells weapons and military technology," as per Google's definition. With how detailed ship design is in DW2, I always thought it would be an especially cool addition to the franchise. It almost feels like a natural step forward to sell or even gift ships, considering research can already be traded. This would also encourage proxy wars.


Yes - well tech trading is already part of that, which includes all kinds of military technologies as well as projects that unlock new ships/station hulls but the idea of selling military ships is certainly in the plan.

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In addition to this it would be nice if we could form or fund pirate factions for these kinds of things. That could of course lead to war when the empire that is the target get sick enough on state funded pirates raiding them and goes for the source rather than the whip.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 10:44:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another question of interest, in the preview are the ground forces icons placeholder or are you using NATO military symbols? Which could be chance or designed that the infantry symbol aligns that way.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/27/2022 10:46:08 PM   
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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 12:23:53 AM   
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Another question of interest, in the preview are the ground forces icons placeholder or are you using NATO military symbols? Which could be chance or designed that the infantry symbol aligns that way.


We deliberately went with military symbols for each troop type this time around, with different colors by faction. In a future expansion, we may do a bit more. :-)

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 1:51:50 PM   
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You also get trade income of two types as the state.

1. The resource trade income from tariffs (based on other empires/independents buying good from you), as well as fuel sales to the private sector.

2. The bonus trade income from commerce centers built on your state space ports.

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That gives me a followup question (Nr. 9 if I did not miss any).
"I had a bunch of Tourist questions:
- is Tourism Income taken out of the Private economy of whoever is owning those tourists, or is it generated from thin air?
- do Tourists actually travel around within the Region of space, or just go Home->The one place to visit->Back home?"


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Another question of interest, in the preview are the ground forces icons placeholder or are you using NATO military symbols? Which could be chance or designed that the infantry symbol aligns that way.


We deliberately went with military symbols for each troop type this time around, with different colors by faction. In a future expansion, we may do a bit more. :-)

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Personally I like NATO symbols. They are visually clear and can be easily compressed if you ever end up with 30+ Infantry units on the same planet.
So please, keep them as a option for weird people like me.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 2:59:11 PM   
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I am curious on mining stations and asteroids, does one mining station cover an area so potentially a strategically placed station could cover a large set of asteroids? If so, how does one tell the mining coverage area?

Furthermore, will tech increase the coverage size of a mining station?

Finally are there still gas and ore mining stations or does one do both now?

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 3:12:29 PM   
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Apologies to keep using this as a streamers question thread, if there is a better place let me know.

I am curious on mining stations and asteroids, does one mining station cover an area so potentially a strategically placed station could cover a large set of asteroids? If so, how does one tell the mining coverage area?

Furthermore, will tech increase the coverage size of a mining station?

Finally are there still gas and ore mining stations or does one do both now?


There are two different mining modules as far as I saw from the stream. The small one mine slower and is cheaper and will only mine one asteroid or planet. The large one have an area so can mine several asteroids when placed strategically. You also can increase the range with technology. I also suppose the small mining module are mainly meant for mining ships not stations.

There do seem to be a bug where the AI replace the large mining module with a small mining module if the design is on Auto upgrade... I hope that is a bug they will fix... ;) ...as that will just be hindering the AI with sometimes halving or worse their mining outputs once in a while and seriously reduce the mineral output of station in asteroid fields.

There also does not seem to be a difference for mining gas, luxuries or just minerals as far as I could see from the streams.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 4:35:51 PM   
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"I had a bunch of Tourist questions:
- is Tourism Income taken out of the Private economy of whoever is owning those tourists, or is it generated from thin air?
- do Tourists actually travel around within the Region of space, or just go Home->The one place to visit->Back home?"


Yes, the State runs these bases to encourage/protect tourism, so the tourists that travel there on private sector passenger ships do end up in effect transferring money from the private economy to the state.

Tourism is focused on one destination, so they'll pick a spot that has high scenery and is relatively close to the world they normally live on and go there. For this reason, high scenery worlds or bases that are near your most populated worlds tend to perform the best as far as generating tourism income. A low scenery site far away from everything may not attract any real tourism.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 4:38:02 PM   
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I am curious on mining stations and asteroids, does one mining station cover an area so potentially a strategically placed station could cover a large set of asteroids? If so, how does one tell the mining coverage area?


Yes, if you have the mining station selected it will show the range of its asteroid mining. It will mine all asteroids within that range. If you turn off the weapon overlay it's easier to see the mining range overlay when a mining station is selected.

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Furthermore, will tech increase the coverage size of a mining station?


Yes, higher tech mining engines provide more mining range.

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Finally are there still gas and ore mining stations or does one do both now?


Your mining stations and mining engines can now mine either depending on where you place the mining station.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 5:03:37 PM   
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Furthermore, will tech increase the coverage size of a mining station?


Yes, higher tech mining engines provide more mining range.

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Finally are there still gas and ore mining stations or does one do both now?


Your mining stations and mining engines can now mine either depending on where you place the mining station.


The part where the range does not increase might have been intentional back in 1. If you increase the range, you get into issues with some mines invalidating/competing with other mines because their ranges now overlap.

One followup jus crossed my mind:
Planets, Stations and Ships can directly exchange resources via shuttles (no spaceships or docking needed). And mining stations and ships also use those drones.
But could planets mine a surrounding asteroid belt without the aid of ships an stations?

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 5:48:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question came up about Boarding and Planetary Invasion:
Do we need Boarding pods on top of troop space to invade planet?
Do we need Ground Troops to board ships?

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 6:05:01 PM   
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Question came up about Boarding and Planetary Invasion:
Do we need Boarding pods on top of troop space to invade planet?


Yes, boarding pods and assault landing pods are effectively the same. In fact, the boarding/landing pod tech is a prerequisite for researching troop transports.

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Do we need Ground Troops to board ships?


No, it's assumed the crew/shipboard marines can do that as long as you have boarding pods on the ship. Star Marine Barracks (a later ship component) can also help with this.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 8:38:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed in the previews that the exploration ships send out probes, but when viewed they seem to come in and out of a metal wall in the ships hull. Is there a missing prob bay type mesh, or just something that was viewed as too minor to add in that detail?

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/28/2022 8:49:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Correct, it was viewed as too minor a detail to worry about. In general, those little drones should exit/enter from a hangar bay entrance if a ship has one, otherwise they just come from the center and we leave it to the imagination. I realize so much else has been done in great 3D detail, but the drones are already mainly a cosmetic indicator of activity rather than a real interactive element like the ships, stations or starfighters.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/29/2022 9:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Concerning fleets, are you able to set them to jump together and move in warp at the speed of the slowest ship. Based on the previews it seems like fleets end up getting separated due to different jump sequence or warp speed. Resulting in the fleet ships reaching the enemy in parts and not a whole, meaning the full brunt of its power is not delivered effectively. Also putting those ships arriving and engaging early at a disadvantage.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/29/2022 9:49:50 PM   
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Concerning fleets, are you able to set them to jump together and move in warp at the speed of the slowest ship. Based on the previews it seems like fleets end up getting separated due to different jump sequence or warp speed. Resulting in the fleet ships reaching the enemy in parts and not a whole, meaning the full brunt of its power is not delivered effectively. Also putting those ships arriving and engaging early at a disadvantage.


This was an irritation I had forgotten about in DW:U. I suspect the mess of jump-times hasn't changed in DW2, but it's certainly a feature I would love to have.

I imagine checking off a button organized in each fleet's settings, forcing all ships in said fleet to arrive at destinations at the same time. Better yet, perhaps a hotkey you could hold down as you give orders, which would make coordinating the arrival of multiple fleets even easier.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/29/2022 10:24:43 PM   
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One followup jus crossed my mind:
Planets, Stations and Ships can directly exchange resources via shuttles (no spaceships or docking needed). And mining stations and ships also use those drones.
But could planets mine a surrounding asteroid belt without the aid of ships an stations?


No, you need a mining station to mine outside the planet efficiently.


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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/29/2022 10:26:23 PM   
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Concerning fleets, are you able to set them to jump together and move in warp at the speed of the slowest ship. Based on the previews it seems like fleets end up getting separated due to different jump sequence or warp speed. Resulting in the fleet ships reaching the enemy in parts and not a whole, meaning the full brunt of its power is not delivered effectively. Also putting those ships arriving and engaging early at a disadvantage.


This is one of those things most people probably haven't noticed, but we've put a lot of effort in DW2 into getting fleets to stay together, to jump at the speed of the slowest ship and to fight in formation. It's still possible you might end up with some stragglers, especially if extremely different ships are in the same fleet or if you have the fleet formation/ship management automated which sometimes may swap in a ship that's farther away, but overall it's much better than DW1 in my experience.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/29/2022 11:22:21 PM   
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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 12:32:24 AM   
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Will there be gender diversity for the races, at least female characters/portraits for human. I can see this being less an issue for other races, them being less differentiated as a racial structure (e.g., insects).

I'm not speaking for the developers, but rather voicing what I feel is a strong belief amongst the Distant Worlds crowd. Flatly put, we don't play DW to customize silly portraits. Nobody keeps playing because the franchise offers a healthy plethora of flag symbols. We're not here to play Sims 4 on a galactic scale. Distant Worlds captivates us because the meat of the game—no, the simulation—is so compelling, so incredibly detailed and well-modeled, so enveloping in its breadth yet enrichening in its depth, where all of these beautiful traits swirl together in a whirlpool of madness akin to the grandeur of a space opera; that is why we play Distant Worlds.

We do not play Distant Worlds to model an accurate display of genders across a multitude of make-believe space creatures. You can take your fantasies back to Stellaris if gender gnaws at your curiosity enough to justify a post here on the forums asking about it.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 1:46:10 AM   
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Will there be gender diversity for the races, at least female characters/portraits for human. I can see this being less an issue for other races, them being less differentiated as a racial structure (e.g., insects).


Not in the initial release, but allowing for both male and female character art for the human faction is in our high priority post-release plans. The way the system was initially setup, it requires additional work to support more variations and we ran out of time for that before release after implementing the male set.

For the other alien factions, we expect for the most part to leave that to the player's imagination.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 1:49:08 AM   
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We do not play Distant Worlds to model an accurate display of genders across a multitude of make-believe space creatures. You can take your fantasies back to Stellaris if gender gnaws at your curiosity enough to justify a post here on the forums asking about it.


This is certainly rude and could be taken as personal, which is against the forum rules. Keep the discussions here civil and keep this forum a welcoming place for gamers. Consider this an official warning and reminder that we are here to focus on our shared interest in strategy games. It was a perfectly valid question.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 1:58:05 AM   
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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 7:24:16 AM   
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Mostly I set research concurrent to ONE. However, there is one situation where you may want to have two concurrent research.

Crash research cannot be canceled. If you crash research a very long project, but realize that you want another tech to be researched, you may want to add that in (crash it as well if you'd like) so that it finishes before it would have if you waited for them to complete serially.

There, now you can go to sleep happy that there is at least SOME reason for concurrent research :)

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 10:07:20 AM   
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Hi @Jorgen_CAB, all,

Mostly I set research concurrent to ONE. However, there is one situation where you may want to have two concurrent research.

Crash research cannot be canceled. If you crash research a very long project, but realize that you want another tech to be researched, you may want to add that in (crash it as well if you'd like) so that it finishes before it would have if you waited for them to complete serially.

There, now you can go to sleep happy that there is at least SOME reason for concurrent research :)


Ah... yes... I sort of figured that out as well actually. That is probably the only reason for doing it from a mathematically perspective.

We discussed this in the other thread as well... so yes there is a reason for why it can be useful. That is also why I think we proposed that one research should always be default even when you get multiple labs so you can switch it on when and if it becomes important. I think that was sort of the conclusion to that discussion I think. :)

One of my objection is probably also one of presentation... many people will not realise that it is not beneficial as they don't reflect on it. Therefore will use the feature not understanding it is ultimately detrimental too them.. If they think there is a benefit but it is the reverse it is not really fair, that I think was my main objection really.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 2:48:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any thoughts or future considerations for after battle reports that summarize defense and weapon effectiveness for your ships and enemy ships? Obviously this would be tied to tech ability to derive those measures. Was good to have them in games like sword of the stars, etc to see what was doing or absorbing most damage.

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RE: Streamer Demo Questions - 1/30/2022 3:21:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we'd like to eventually do something like that, but we won't have that in for the initial release and it's a relatively tricky one because of the nature of some battles in DW2. It's something on our wish list for future updates/expansions.

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