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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I believe it is a hex radius regardless of rail connection, but I could be totally wrong. But experience seems to bear this out.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I believe it is a hex radius regardless of rail connection, but I could be totally wrong. But experience seems to bear this out.

I would tend to agree since that is the most easy to program. But the difference is huge when planning depots based on this manual rule. I have been using radius but I want to make sure before writing about this in my AAR.

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I believe it is a hex radius regardless of rail connection, but I could be totally wrong. But experience seems to bear this out.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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Plus, I need to make sure before my next set of Depot placements in the Soviet Union that I need to spend AP on :-)

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I believe it is a hex radius regardless of rail connection, but I could be totally wrong. But experience seems to bear this out.

I'd say its range along connected/repaired rail lines

remember that if you have a port, then the rail cap on the line from it is limited to what is in that geographical area. So repair say Riga but till its connected to the wider net then the only rail cap comes from Riga.

This is how it works in WiTW, Italy is a different rail net to Sicily, France to the UK etc.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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Plus, I need to make sure before my next set of Depot placements in the Soviet Union that I need to spend AP on :-)

probably a spectacularly pointless exercise? Rail yards near to depots in the Soviet Union only become important by the time those depots are working on depot-depot transfers, as long as the relationship is depot-unit the only reason to repair a railyard is to up depot processing capacity

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
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Sounds like you don't know either if it is range or continuous rail hexes. I will wait for the programmer for the official answer. Since anyone that hasn't programmed it does not know.

As for depot-to-depot transfer you need level 2+ railyards to move that freight between the depots. The more level 2+ railyard processing power you have the more freight you can move. Am I wrong? Don't think I am wrong, but go ahead and tell me I am wrong and show the answer not only for me but for the community. Thus, and my point is, repairing the level 2+ railyards and knowing where this 30 hex limit is is important to be able to place optimized depots on the map to have the most processing power to a specified hex. So my probability of spectacularly pointless exercise, as you call my effort, seems to be right on point of what I am trying to do. So either help me understand my error or please stop trying to entice a fight with prodding comments such as "spectacularly pointless exercise", even if you tried to soften it with a question mark.

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
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Sounds like you don't know either if it is range or continuous rail hexes. I will wait for the programmer for the official answer. Since anyone that hasn't programmed it does not know.

As for depot-to-depot transfer you need level 2+ railyards to move that freight between the depots. The more level 2+ railyard processing power you have the more freight you can move. Am I wrong? Don't think I am wrong, but go ahead and tell me I am wrong and show the answer not only for me but for the community. Thus, and my point is, repairing the level 2+ railyards and knowing where this 30 hex limit is is important to be able to place optimized depots on the map to have the most processing power to a specified hex. So my probability of spectacularly pointless exercise, as you call my effort, seems to be right on point of what I am trying to do. So either help me understand my error or please stop trying to entice a fight with prodding comments such as "spectacularly pointless exercise", even if you tried to soften it with a question mark.

so what do I know:

a) in putting the manual I discussed with Joel how rail cap is applied to disconnected rail lines and he confirmed it was the same as WiTW (ie only on that spur). So that suggests that its not just a simple 30 hex rule but is in some way connected to the rail net?

b) yep, you need capacity, you need the secondary rail yards etc in the end, but early on just how much depot-depot freight are you moving say from Minsk to Smolensk or similar? I'd suggest that till you get into 1942 that secondary push of freight is fairly small.

the point is, you can save your admin pts, by the time the secondary rail yards become critical odds on they would have repaired by the default method

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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Granted I agree too that a level 2+ railyard should not be able to allocate rail capacity for moving if not connected to the rail net. Thus why I am seeking a confirmed answer of 100% sureness of which rule is in place in the game.

Item "b" I am finding I am moving pretty decent amounts depot to depot on the main line going towards Pskov so far. Soon the tributary rail line will further increase this delivery.

I have been saving my AP and letting the computer assign construction workers to the level 2+ railyards. But if that railyard is over 70% damaged I would consider spending the points to allocate a construction worker to repair based on necessity of that front area.

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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Granted I agree too that a level 2+ railyard should not be able to allocate rail capacity for moving if not connected to the rail net. Thus why I am seeking a confirmed answer of 100% sureness of which rule is in place in the game.

Item "b" I am finding I am moving pretty decent amounts depot to depot on the main line going towards Pskov so far. Soon the tributary rail line will further increase this delivery.

I have been saving my AP and letting the computer assign construction workers to the level 2+ railyards. But if that railyard is over 70% damaged I would consider spending the points to allocate a construction worker to repair based on necessity of that front area.

the other bit not to forget of course is the system is dynamic not linear, so any rail yard at the limit may well be allocated its stocks to other tasks, in general I would not expect to pull much at the further margins except in very limited circumstances

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ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

@HLYA: If you can't get Devs to answer I suggest the following custom test scenario created in the editor:
Take a port with lvl 2 rail yard, delete most units on the map. Set hex ownership and rail repair status in a way such that you
1) Have a scenario with a depot at the end of a repaired rail line <30 hex as-the-german-eagle-flies distance and <30 hex as-the-German-locomotive-steams distance.
2) Have a scenario with a depot at <30 hex as-the-german-eagle-flies distance and >30 hex as-the-German-locomotive-steams distance.
Make sure to isolate the port and your test-rail lines from the Rest of Germany and the German rail net by turning the hexagons Soviet so there is only the port depot and the depot on the end of the railline in the equation.

Then place a lot of hungry units near the end-of-railline depot and see if the depot fills and supplies the units or not in case 1 or 2. If in case 1)&2 it is as-the-locomotive-steams, if in case 1) but not 2) then as-the-German-eagle flies.

Never had the interest/time to test this but if you have the determination it would be great to read about the results.

@Loki: The idea is that you have depots West-to-East with Lvl 2 railyards and supplies moving depot-with-railyard to the next depot-with-railyard (with priority settings increasing west to east) instead of NSS to frontline depot, that is increasing overall rail capacity, most likely It will be interesting to see if the supply system will react as desired (is that roughly what your plan is @HLYA?)
Best regards

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ORIGINAL: Stamb

here https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5128376

player is keeping his depots at 4 most of the time, no freight movement from depot to depot as these depots can not send freight to each other while being in the same priority. Looks like he is not having any problems with a delivered freight.

To my understanding it is very strange, as I would expect to have 1 2 3 4 depots priority, but for some reasons it is better to stick with 4 not only for frontline depots but also in the 2-3 lines at the back


Even auto AI logistic is building 1,2,3,4 and not 1,2,3,4,4,4,4,4.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I have now brought this up in my AAR starting around post 173ish https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5126312&mpage=6&key=

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For some reason the southern track is used more than the northern one.

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ORIGINAL: Beethoven1

Let me try and translate ---

HLYA, and by extension EwaldVonKleist (and Hardradi doing Ewald's test) are misunderstanding the logistics system

The key point that they are not grasping is that the limit to how far freight can travel is 200 SMP, not 30 hexes

They are thinking that the "30 hex limit" determines how far freight can travel.

But instead, the "30 hex limit" is referring to something different entirely

The 30 hex limit is instead referring to, if you want to send freight from a depot, how much railyard capacity can be used to send freight from that depot? The answer is, you can use as much railyard capacity as is within 30 hexes (distance by rail, not distance as the crow flies).

And technically though, you might not be using "all" of the railyard capacity that is within 30 hexes, because there are other depots that are also sending freight on, and some of those will overlap and use some of the same railyard capacity.

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ORIGINAL: Hardradi

So on a clean rail line with no usage or interdiction 1 piece of freight can move 200 hexes if there is a level 2+ railyard within 30 hexes?

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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I have now brought this up in my AAR starting around post 173ish https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5126312&mpage=6&key=

if I understand what you are talking about properly then its based on a misunderstanding of the entire system

first there are some variables in the system, some are random (congestion can be created outside actual usage - consider this to model incompetence/accidents), some are unpredictable such as how SMP costs interact with usage and how that builds up.

At start this increases the cost in trains/hex till you run out of trains to add on - thats why there is a hard wired cap on how much the NSS can generate with this affected by distance and prior usage ... this cap being fairly important

second, the sequence is - freight entrians - gets 200 SMP (its a bit more complex than this but that will do) - in doing so draws off rail cap (up to 30 hexes) - goes up to 200 SMP and detrains (so this is not how units act) - note it uses the original 'train' all the time, its not pulling up trains as it goes. Which really is why (above) I doubt you'll have much depot-depot movement till the system (& the front) settles down.

if this is what you are doing (& I could well be misunderstanding) then its pretty misleading to be honest

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This statement "pretty misleading to be honest" is offensive and you seem to do it quit often to not only me but others too to gain a reaction.