RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East 2 >> After Action Reports >> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end

Page: << < prev 6 7 8 [9] 10 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/2/2022 9:18:52 AM

xhoel

Posts: 3219
Joined: 6/24/2017
From: Germany
Status: offline

@Gunnulf: I would advise you sit them in the NSS for 1 turn so they fill up on trucks. They usually come on map with few trucks and that has big negative effects on mobility and CV.

I know the AAR is behind the game but just something to keep in mind for next time! Keep up the good posting, the AAR is very interesting.

_____________________________

AAR WITW: Gotterdammerung 43-45
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4490035
AAR WITE: A Clash of Titans 41-45
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4488465
WitE 2 Tester and Test Coordinator

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 241

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/2/2022 9:54:22 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

Yes, good advice, also you will see in the screenshot I keep a luftwaffe field corps in Berlin on priority 4. Any new arrivals attach to this HQ and move into the city on arrival turn. That way on the next turn they are as good as guaranteed to have full supplies before they head to the front and not draw on local sources. Because they entain on the railyard they don't arrive too much slower than if they kicked off in the open on turn one, and certainly better prepared with supplies and vehicles like you say. The Corps HQ might well be unnecessary but I have it spare so been putting it to use to make sure.

< Message edited by Gunnulf -- 2/2/2022 9:56:57 AM >

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to xhoel)

Post #: 242

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/2/2022 10:15:11 AM

xhoel

Posts: 3219
Joined: 6/24/2017
From: Germany
Status: offline

I think its always good to have a Corps back exactly for that purpose. If you attach units to the OKH they usually fail a bunch of rolls and have a lot less MPs next turn. Plus it helps with supply like you said.

_____________________________

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 243

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/3/2022 1:17:17 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T92 Fall Regenbogen

Ill advised? Yes
Unclear objectives? Yes
Probably unnecessary? Yes
Incomplete intelligence picture? Tick
Doomed to fail? Almost certainly
Going to do it anyway? Natürlich

Bit of a strategic shifting of the deckchairs. Army Det Kempf takes over eastern Stalingrad sector allowing 4 Panzer Army under Von Manstein to move south and assume control of assorted previously independent Corps while Guderian takes control of 3 Panzer Army on the southern half of the line, both assigned to be Assault HQs. Von Kluge leads the Army Group South dream team. 36 Divisions on the starting block. What can possibly go worng?

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to xhoel)

Post #: 244

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 7:39:30 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

Fall Regenbogen

Not sure how much of a surprise it was, time will tell, but certainly there has proved to be depth to the Soviet defences with multiple mech and tank corps in the second line. It can't be that our codes have been broken, they are foolproof. Its possible that we caught a planned offensive building up behind its start line in which case if nothing else our assault will have caused mischief and disruption to the Red schedule down here. Tough fighting for sure, although in the highlighted case 5 anti-tank regiments account for less than 1 tank each... In our most optimistic dreams the infantry might have smashed the front line and massed panzers poured through just like the good old days but the reality was the panzergrenadiers forced to bludgeon through the second line. We have done some damage, still have reserves with full CPP and will have momentum but it will certainly be a slog. Losses well in our favour for the start of the offensive and we destroy 10% of the Soviet on map armour, but its taken a large commitment to achieve this. Army Group South deploys over half the armour on the eastern front, even discounting that 600 are with Kempf outside Stalingrad. But we will try to put them to good use in the coming weeks. Nice to see we also still control the skies down here though.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to xhoel)

Post #: 245

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 10:06:33 AM

Jango32

Posts: 307
Joined: 3/15/2021
Status: offline

Those are some pitifully small losses inflicted on the Soviets, despite having twice the amount of men and presumably overwhelming artillery support if most of those Soviet guns are AT weapons.

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 246

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 11:14:16 AM

AlbertN

Posts: 3693
Joined: 10/5/2010
From: Italy
Status: offline

I will be astonished if you can keep up the offensive down there! Logistics for me were a nightmare.

(in reply to Jango32)

Post #: 247

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 11:14:18 AM

Stamb

Posts: 1030
Joined: 10/26/2021
Status: offline

But Soviets had lvl 2 fortification.

(in reply to Jango32)

Post #: 248

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 12:15:49 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

As per my mission statement, its almost certainly a bad idea. The Reds are not exactly weak, they were dug in fairly well, its still snow rather than clear which I balanced as adding to surprise, but making both combat and logistics sub-optimal. But despite all in the name of science we decreed to push forward and the pixel-truppen followed out of a morbid sense of curiosity. We can afford to ultimately stall down here and inflict damage and time delays that will work to our advantage at least I think. Balanced against a long drive on Saratov, an all consuming task to take Moscow at this late stage, or a futile attempt to dig multiple rifle corps out of the cellars of Stalingrad (at the end of an even more tenuous supply chain there) it was the option that offered the most advantages and least disadvantages. Of course pure defence, and local fire brigades across the front was also probably a valid option but the other half of the panzerwaffe is doing that and holding ok for now. Highly likely this pulls in more Soviet reserves and at minimum dilutes planned counter-offensives up north.
I might have waited for clear weather but the Western Allies are not standing still and this sector also gives us more viable campaigning time to make a difference before divisions need to redeploy. I keep back a few Italian mostly alpine divisions so far on the rationale that the same disaster that historically evaporated them did not befall but a few have gone to the west already. All the western TBs are healthily stacked already so if they had gone they would just be swapped for extra Germans right now. We have a good 3 months campaigning before we need to think hard about this and no doubt much will change in this time, but I certainly don't expect either a killer blow, or too much of a disaster, but hopefully interesting to explore. Once the idea formed it was impossible to not find out what might happen...

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Stamb)

Post #: 249

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 12:28:07 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: AlbertN

I will be astonished if you can keep up the offensive down there! Logistics for me were a nightmare.

Without taking the Ordzhonikidze railyard late in 42 and taking time to repair and create a super-depot here, none of my units would have been able to dig in properly let alone receive full replacements and supplies. It took months especially all the while having to fight to avoid a breakthrough. It will be a stretch still I'm sure when ammo need to flow down mostly a sole double-track (and then not even fully all the way to the end). Airlift from around Rostov helps a little but barely at the range they need to operate to actually bring in extra rather than just moving supplies from further east of Rostov that doesn't really add anything if they were based closer. There are also supplies coming by sea to feed the mixed Romanian/German force at Maikop to at least add some extra, but yes logistics I fully expect to be a limiting factor that will only get worse.

< Message edited by Gunnulf -- 2/4/2022 12:31:28 PM >

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to AlbertN)

Post #: 250

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/4/2022 3:38:28 PM

xhoel

Posts: 3219
Joined: 6/24/2017
From: Germany
Status: offline

Seems like the Soviets were setting up their own offensive in the sector. You striking first will put those plans on hold and as you said the Soviets might rush in a lot more reserves to the area if they panic because of what is happening.

This game just as in real life rewards taking the initiative. No need to start playing defense when your troops can still pack a healthy punch. Just be careful to not overdo it and end up being encircled yourself. Keep up the good work!

_____________________________

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 251

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/7/2022 3:52:56 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T94 Caucasus

AtAtack forms a screen of Motorised brigades to stall a bit, especially in the north end of the line but we have enough CPP and blunt force to break through these and a few more substantial strongpoints for a general advance of 20miles for the most part. Losses 5-1 troops, 4-1 afvs in the Axis favour, but still a long way to go and a chance of rain next week might well slow things down. But at least a good start and as above I feel like if nothing else we broke up an attack brewing for spring. Rest of the Eastern Front pretty quiet, presumably as we maybe are drawing units away to re-deploy...

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to xhoel)

Post #: 252

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 12:49:48 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T95 Passchendaele

So, we rolled the dice on the timing of the start of the offensive, with light snow and water levels at 3 I hoped any mud that came might be transition to light mud rather than heavy. I refer to Loki's comment about optimism. No matter, we are 50 miles closer to the Caspian. We have mauled a troop concentration, probably stalled offensives up north and sucked in reserves and we have a chance to consolidate and consider our next moves. Everywhere else on the front is using horses for supplies so the workload on trucks down here should be manageable for a few turns. Its all good.
Probably.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 253

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 2:46:36 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T98 Fall Regenbogen resumes

After 3 weeks of rest and recuperation almost everybody is back to 100CPP and close to full supply so while idle the pixeltruppen make good use of the time. However out of the gates the Soviets are the first to strike, which of course could be a bad sign of the confidence born of big reserves behind the line. For sure there are plenty of Rifle, Cavalry and Tank corps milling around. The Red strike pushes back our most exposed infantry pickets, and Mech bdes try to inflitrate.
However overall our rested main body retakes lost terrain and pushes a further 20 miles reaching the riverline and threatening to cut the North/South railline. Not more than an inconvenience for the Soviets at this stage probably. We inflict a solid 70k losses on the Soviets and ruin 1.1k AFVs. Not going to run out, but certainly might get tough to get tanks back into the Tank Corps at least.

Overall the supply-net is working reasonably well and no Army is particularly suffering for supplies or replacements I think.

However the bad news is despite messages in previous turns that our overcommitment to North Africa events had been pushed back, in fact Tunis surrenders 2 weeks earlier than historical which catches us a little of-guard and might have implications for meeting Italian TB requirements in the short term and troops scramble from France, Axis reserves, Soviet garrison and the map itself. We just gained a VP for Western Europe overgarrison but good chance we will lose 2-3 Vps at least before the Italy levels are met. C'est la vie.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to xhoel)

Post #: 254

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 2:51:04 PM

loki100

Posts: 10920
Joined: 10/20/2012
From: Utlima Thule
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gunnulf

... Everywhere else on the front is using horses for supplies so the workload on trucks down here should be manageable for a few turns. ...

be a bit cautious on this assumption .. the 3 hex rule only applies for the share of freight a unit pulls from within 3 hexes, so if its having to go further it uses horses + trucks in whatever ratio

sounds like you have things well set it but I'd still suspect a few longer supply lines than just to the immediate depot?

_____________________________

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 255

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 3:45:37 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

Oh yes for sure, there are a few cases where units have a depot close but are pulling from further away. I guess my point was the system doesn't currently feel overstretched on the rest of the front so I'm able to have just 3 & 4 panzer armies on priority 4, units fighting defensively on 3, quiet sectors on 2 and even AGN on 1. Correspondingly only a few key frontline depots near fighting are set to 4, the rest are 2 or 3 and overall this is working well to ensure supply goes to the caucasus, but that nobody else is going hungry.

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to loki100)

Post #: 256

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 4:28:08 PM

Stamb

Posts: 1030
Joined: 10/26/2021
Status: offline

Can you post your supply map with depot priorities?

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 257

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/8/2022 4:38:14 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

Never!!! I'll take that secret to the grave!!!

OK, I'll try and remember next turn. I just returned turn 100 so two behind at the moment but good chance Atatack gets one over this evening, he's been a great frequent oppenent to play against.

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Stamb)

Post #: 258

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/9/2022 7:39:58 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T99 Caucasus

Soviet counterattacks continue to come in on the northern flank picking at weaker spots, but once again 4 Panzer Armee retains good CPP and beats back these thrusts and gains further ground into the bargain. I'm sure if I cross-referenced units here have previously been observed in the Stalingrad sector so this part of the plan is maybe working too (so long as his counter-attacks are not TOO effective of course....!).
Meanwhile, Guderian's 3 Panzer Armee make further advances and reach the outskirts of Grozny again and prepare to cross the riverline to the east. A further 1.4k Soviet AFVs torched as the Tigers, other Panzers and Pak40s do their grizzly work.

Elsewhere reserves rush to bring the Italian TB up to spec but we suffer a VP loss, and likely will another next turn too.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 259

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:04:46 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T100 Caucasus

A few more successful Soviet counterattacks but again ground retaken and we cross the river and cut the north-south railline. Again not critical but all good disruption to Soviet supplies flowing freely. Not yet in a position to take Grozny though which should prove a tough nut with rivers on so many angles.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 260

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:08:39 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T100 Ryazan sector

A dangerous looking buildup of Guard rocket divisions and Mech corps breaks the line but once again we are able to deploy the local fire brigade to plug the line. We had to send a couple of divisions to Italy though so things are marginally thinner up here right now though.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 261

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:14:42 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T100 Stalingrad sector

Having noticed that the fighting in the Caucasus has certainly thinned out the lines at Stalingrad we roll the dice with a small offensive here of ourselves. Will be wildly optimistic to take the city but certainly we can start a few bushfires to add to the strategic pressure... Mostly just rifle divisions swept aside by 17 Armee, while 1 Panzer and Detachment Kempf do ok against Rifle Corps themselves and we sense an opportunity of further mischief. Cutting either one of the railtracks will also put pressure on the northern flank of the Caucasus I think... Again, probably a pipe-dream but fortune favours the brave! Or recklessly stupid.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 262

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:37:25 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stamb

Can you post your supply map with depot priorities?

Depot overview from T101, I've highlighted where the priority 4 and 3 depots are, everything else mostly 2 with some 1 & 0 in places but thats rare. Too lazy to change most lower than 2 and seems to work ok. Total truck losses at 190k it seems or just under 1.9k average per turn, but last turn looks like only 0.7k so running well below average losses. As you can see most units are pulling supply from local depots and not too much strain on the trucks right now as far as my monkey brain can establish. Even 4 Panzer seems to be getting the supplies it requests and only 3 Panzer is falling short, but hardly starving or running out of shells.

At the far end of the chain in the super depot in Ordzhonikidze 12k is reaching here for further distribution (generally 20-25% of capacity), but all the other level 4 depots in the sector are directly receiving between 0.5 and 1k each week too. Also each week we fly supplies from Rostov bases, they can't reach the front line depots, but takes some pressure off the rail (although thats not close to capacity).

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Stamb)

Post #: 263

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:59:26 AM

Stamb

Posts: 1030
Joined: 10/26/2021
Status: offline

Awesome. Thanks. Your average truck losses are 1.8k per turn. Very good.

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 264

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 9:09:13 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

Yes and certainly running well below average losses last few turns. We've put a lot of effort into reducing the strain on the truck fleet all through the campaign. A lot of AGN first line units are static, but the 2nd line reserves regiments are fully mobile to be able to respond. Also of note over winter the FDBs made good progress filling in the odd rail gaps, including some previously overlooked links through the mountains to Hungary. There are not virtually no damaged rail lines except a few dead ends that go nowhere anyway.

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Stamb)

Post #: 265

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 3:59:36 PM

Stamb

Posts: 1030
Joined: 10/26/2021
Status: offline

Do you use any background depots like Warsaw/Minsk/Lvov/Kiev to accumulate freight with priority 4 and then drop it to 2 or 3 to release this freight?

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 266

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:35:29 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

I know the theory and was planning to do it at Rostov but then the offensive started earlier when we found no resistance and was kinda nervous to even try to hold anything back once everything was moving. It would certainly make sense if had a pause in the action before an offensive but so far I havent found the time/opportunity to do it.

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Stamb)

Post #: 267

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:41:26 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T01 Caucausus

More skirmishing on the northern flank. Certainly a solid force building up here that we need to be respectful of. At a rough count we are facing about 26 corps in the sector so maybe at least 1.3million if we guess 20k each, but probably more in reality. So the Soviets certainly chosing to make a stand here which is what we expected of course. We still make progress to the east and may be in a position to make a first assault on Grozny.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 268

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/10/2022 8:45:05 PM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T101 Stalingrad

17 Armee makes progress clearing out the river bend, but the assaults on the main line fail basically because we didn't check if we had pioneers. Schoolboy error. Must do better. But again, mostly we aim to set a bushfire here to put pressure on strategic choices now its clear that the sector has been stripped for parts.

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 269

RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 2/12/2022 4:40:32 AM

Gunnulf

Posts: 686
Joined: 10/31/2012
Status: offline

T102 Caucasus Soviet raid

Bit of a disappointment as we find two marauding Tank Corp - actually virtually no actual tanks, in reality a motor rifle brigade at a stretch, sneak through and cause havoc in the rear scaring a few corps HQ to relocate. Thankfully a couple of rear area forts we had the forethought to build to preserve a fall-back position are enough to prevent further damage. Still a bi of a nightmare to deal with, but could have been very annoying if these 2 understrength battlegroups unravelled the whole army group! My bad for not having a division in reserve here. As Atatack gleefully remarked in chat - "Groznygrad!" which was very much a risk for sure!

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

"Stay low, move fast"

(in reply to Gunnulf)

Post #: 270

Page: << < prev 6 7 8 [9] 10 next > >>

All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> Gary Grigsby's War in the East 2 >> After Action Reports >> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end