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- 7/27/2001 12:49:00 AM

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To Fabs : No offense at all my friend ! I had to go back and read the previous page to understand where I could have been hit by you..at least I found the phrase but I didn't consider that an offense.. your posts here hadn't any negative mood.. on the contrary I underlined that also your post showed that everyone has the holy right to enjoy SPWAW choosing a side with passion... As a comparison think to a sport competition..while sport itself is the target of common fun no one can deny there is always a team for which your heart start running! Let me say this is very.."LEGAL" :) (oh my poor english !) The same attitude can be found in SPWAW.. IMHO playing SPWAW without a passion makes you loose a lot of fun.. This may be considered one level upper to the common taste for military strategy itself.. SO welcome to passion..!!! and the inevitably sorrow for living a megaC as a prisoner of the enemy's high command :D :D :D...

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- 7/27/2001 12:57:00 AM

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Market-Garden as the Allies might be an option. Certainly a challenging scenario for the ground forces commander to reach Arnhem in time... Crete might work either as airborne or defender... Sicily/Salerno/Anzio as a starting point for Italy...

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- 7/27/2001 3:40:00 AM

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What about British or Canadian MC in NWE 1944/45? :) BTW: I enjoyed both Campaign CDs from SSI for Steel Panthers I. Is the Blood and guts campaign the same as this Patton campaign I remember? Would be good stuff for MC! ________ Harry

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- 7/27/2001 8:29:00 AM

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Hi again all, Personally I would be really interested in a Second Karkhov Mega Campaign. SPI did a really great board game on this, and I think it would make a good MC (From the Russian side of course:-). The other eastern front campagin that I think would be interesting is the Soviet Airborne assualt in the Vyaz'ma region in early 1942. Best regards, mgm

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- 7/27/2001 2:41:00 PM

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My personale taste is for campaign linked to a single historical unit like 1 marine division (Guadalcanal- Cape Gloucester-Peleliu-Okinawa may be a what if in Japan and Korea) Big red one (Africa, Sicily, Normandy, ETO) 7th armoured (Africa, Italy, Normandy, ETO) Grossdeutschland (Poland, France, Russia) LSHH or DasReich(everywhere!) so on Massimo

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- 7/28/2001 3:51:00 AM

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I also hope some MEGAC will have a following chapter...

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- 7/29/2001 2:35:00 PM

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Looking at how many preferences can be raised here I definitively vote for a solution which opens a MEGACD to more than one player...obviously the same feature about a reduced save game button should be kept !!! cheating must be fought at all costs ! The passive player should also be informed from a brief txt about what the AI was expected to do for that turn.. this is another of the very little prices to pay from designers for a MEGAC doubled... Let me say now that a passive role is not so bad to be played : first you know you have to try to break the active's player campaign...maybe one of your best SPWAW's friend ! your bravery will lower his final score !!! Depending on how it's actually structured the save game faeture that score would also represent a serious and official rating to his general skill level (I love this kind of public credit !) And on the other hand again we have a new role to be played from a human SPWAW's gamer...another to be enjoyed from the several offered by SPWAW ! This time you will play a battle where units and deployments has been already decided..like playing a two player's scenario... Your only task , the minimum , is to bring them to victory...your commander's skill now must be prooved in the best difficult situation..where you suffer all that constraints ! The difference is that if the passive player is always the same for that MEGACD each battle will decide the progress of the next ones for him!!! I think a lot of people will happily play also a passive role... Bye [ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: ruxius ]

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- 7/29/2001 3:32:00 PM

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Originally posted by Wild Bill: Interesting post, Geoff! We considered that fact when designing the first two Mega-Campaigns. The next one (if there is one) will be completely different and the Germans will not be the human player side. I say "Germans" because I don't think "Nazis" is the best term to use. To my understanding, Rommel was a German general but not a Nazi. Historians will correct me. Being a "Nazi" means being a part of a political party. I am thinking more in terms, at least with MCNA, of German soldiers at war for their country, many of whom were not Nazis. I'm probably nit-picking here but it bothers me for some reason. I understand your desire for a different nation as your force. We are working on that. But aren't you saying in your post that you only want to play by e-mail? If so, you would not play a Mega-campaign anyway, would you? Or did I misread your statement? Wild Bill

Bill, While I agree with that Rommel may not have been a Nazi (although some historians would argue that he was), it is certainly true that until 1944 at least, he was not to worried about the atrocities being committed by the Nazis. I imagine there are a number of players of SPWAW who have a problem playing the Germans because og the 'baggage' that goes with the playing that side. I am one of those. I prefer to play from the western allies perpective, mainly the British but that is only because I am a Brit. I have no objection to those who are happy to play the game from the German side, but I would like to see a MC played from the British or US side.

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- 7/30/2001 1:32:00 AM

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To MAtt : Uff....oh no ! Why people can't play SPWAW without politics ? ..I do not say anything against the fact ot have a favourite side...but here we are arguing about a political question ! Then I can reply to you that playing a game WHERE YOU KILL human beings is not so ethical correct... !! KILLING A HUMAN BEING.. each time you fire you are representing a simulation of something that means a man be heavily wounded by fire...he dies , he looses his relatives ecc.ecc. WE are talking about killing a Human being ! THat's to say : let's try not to take this game too seriously please ! To be honest with your soul you should refuse at all any wargame ! I am sorry to tell you this Matt ,and I don't want this topic to became (as usually happens when we touch this subject)a question of ideology.. WB only asked Geoff to be apolitic in his post..and he at once agreed with him..please don't open a new questioning here... and do not be angry for my post.. By the way..what do you think about opening the MEgacd to Human player to double the playability of it ? Regards Ruxius !

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- 7/30/2001 2:20:00 AM

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Originally posted by ruxius: To MAtt : Uff....oh no ! Why people can't play SPWAW without politics ? ..I do not say anything against the fact ot have a favourite side...but here we are arguing about a political question ! Then I can reply to you that playing a game WHERE YOU KILL human beings is not so ethical correct... !! KILLING A HUMAN BEING.. each time you fire you are representing a simulation of something that means a man be heavily wounded by fire...he dies , he looses his relatives ecc.ecc. WE are talking about killing a Human being ! THat's to say : let's try not to take this game too seriously please ! To be honest with your soul you should refuse at all any wargame ! I am sorry to tell you this Matt ,and I don't want this topic to became (as usually happens when we touch this subject)a question of ideology.. WB only asked Geoff to be apolitic in his post..and he at once agreed with him..please don't open a new questioning here... and do not be angry for my post.. By the way..what do you think about opening the MEgacd to Human player to double the playability of it ? Regards Ruxius !

Firstly, is it possible to play a wargame that models a historical event without any political element to it ? Not sure myself that it is. The point of my post was point out that there are some people who are not happy playing the German side. The point about Rommel was just a passing comment on the historical debate concerning him. I would like to see, like a number of other posters here, a MC of the CW in Normandy. I would be happy with one of the US in Normandy if I cannot have CW forces. A Pacific MC would not intrest me, since the Pacific is not my favourite area (mainly because I know least about it). An MC of Market Garden would be good as well. I did want to cause offence with post and have not been offended by your post, all I was trying to do was explain why I would not buy a MC that plays the German side, and thought that maybe Matrix would like to know.

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- 7/30/2001 5:54:00 AM

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Ok I'm glad we are clear about everything..

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Firstly, is it possible to play a wargame that models a historical event without any political element to it ? Not sure myself that it is.

No , sure , I don't think so , obviously.. I was only trying to say that a sort of fairness should be kept while other players may not share your ideas..this refers to starting post of Geoff who was quite offensive.. and your post seemed to underline again the question..But I was wrong..you told me..sorry

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The point of my post was point out that there are some people who are not happy playing the German side.

I have full of respect about this point and I think it's very relevant into this thread.. many others like you and me share the same feeling...a MEGACD for only one player unavoidally cut off interest from a lot of players.. I wrote a lot here about a way MAtrix can adopt to gain more customers of a 'wrong'-sided Megac...

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I did want to cause offence with post and have not been offended by your post, all I was trying to do was explain why I would not buy a MC that plays the German side, and thought that maybe Matrix would like to know.

Ok !

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- 7/30/2001 12:38:00 PM

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Our (or at least my) emphasis is on picking the battles for scenarios is what is appealing to the majority of gamers. I like to find those with a unique twist historically to them. To be honest, I never consider the politics of it all, but rather the combatants, the battle and the outcome along with its effect on the war, at least locally. The larger issues of world domination I suppose can be indirectly reflected but no one battle on the level of SPWAW could ever determine that. They are tactical conflicts on a local level, man against man, machine against machine. Now, as to how much Rommel did or did not know about what was going on in the Nazi part is open to debate I am sure you would agree, Matt. The extent of his participation in sueing for peace with the west or that of the plot to kill Hiter is also debatable. But honestly, those are things I tend to read and write about. They don't enter my mind when doing scenarios or playing the game. Most of that which is contained in scenarios is simply the heat of battle between outfits torn between survival and victory. I do hope that we do not take the political issues which are really something outside of this original suggestion by Geoff any further, at least in this topic. Better to let sleeping dogs lie (instead of nipping at our heels) Wild Bill

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- 7/30/2001 11:47:00 PM

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I enjoy the Tactical aspects of the SPwaw game system more than politic's and such. When I design scenarios, they are not from a political nor idealogical perspective. I design scenaios for tactical and historical reason. You can read from a book about a WW II battle but using a game system gives another look and feel at the battle. The Stalingrad campaign that came with the game was designed with that in mind: to give a player a feel of what it was like, as much as game could allow, for the German Commanders of small units to fight at Stalingrad. I kept the flow of game as historical as possible in brutal intensity. I hope to add to the Campaign a few more branches so that it will become more tactically Fun and challenging soon. Also - Would anyone enjoy a Stalingrad era to Kursk era Mega Campaign from the German side? Why the German side you ask? For Stalingrad era - its the historical reasons and for Kursk - Its Tiger Tanks - so many gamers enjoy using these armor beast. There are plenty of allied campaigns that can be done too and these can happen if given more time but please bear with us as these take time to do. In fact, I enjoy playing from the allied side rahter than the axis side in two player games. The UK and Canada sides are my favorite. There is an alure of playing the German side for many gamers and those are for many reasons: too many to post here. I hope to have a regular Hill 112 Normandy Campaign done soon from the Allied UK side as well as the German Side from Epsom to Hill 112's final fall. Let's keep this post focused on what type of MC's you would like to see for spwaw ;) Either from allied or axis side..

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- 7/31/2001 3:03:00 AM

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Might only be personal interest (for obvious reasons :D) but I'd like to see a Mega Campaign dealing with a Polish unit from the first, to the last days of the war...Imagine all the possible battlefields...Poland 39' Narvik 40' France 40' Tobruk 41' Lenino 43' Falais 44' Monte Cassino 44' Arnhem 44' Bagration 44' through to the final shots of the war fired by the 1st Division of the Polish Peoples Army fighting in Berlin. Certainly as varied a list of theaters as is possible to encompass in a campaign. Obviously there wasnt a single Polish unit that fought at each of the above places but with a bit of imagination (transfers, promotions)one could probably include most of the above actions into one campaign...Would certainly give feelings of acomplishment and revenge (for me anyway ;) )when completed. Regards. Gen.Maczek [ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: Gen. Maczek ]

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- 8/1/2001 4:20:00 AM

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Hurray for Bryan, can't wait to see the Epsom - Hill 112 campaign! If you need maps or general reference, I have a full library of Divisional and regimental histories, not to mention the other side's verision, for you to tap into. Now, if I only could get someone interested in Italy and the 8th Army's campaign there...

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