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- 10/3/2003 1:19:22 AM   
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The Russians [I]can[/I] use captured German stuff. Shouldn't this be in the OOB/Equipment Forums?

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- 10/3/2003 1:35:41 AM   
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rbrunsman .. I notice you do not deny that the numbers I posted are right and that somebody has been increasing German units Pen and other numbers from version to version , and that the German numbers no longer relate to anything "Historical" or are based on any serious data or performance documents . Maybe you can still win against them .. fine . doesn't make it right, Game is being based on internal Matrix Politics and Marketing decsions, not on any factual unit capabilities, plenty of examples of inflated German units, Plenty of examples of dumbed down units from other countries, not just American , just more examples , correct info is readily available on the internet from repuable sources .. care to discuss Actung Panzers data on the Armor thickness and slope on the various Models of the PzIII or why Marders never get the 7.62 (r) or even French 75's and always get the German 75 in the OOB? German 20mm L55 getting higher ratings than 20mm L60 ATR and APCR to boot so they out penetrate 47mm At Guns. This is not about one or two weapons in the German OOB, it is pretty darn consistant.
Not as bad as I say hmmmm , how bad do you think it is ? Why would you be against getting it right, actually reflecting the Germans to the same degree of historical capability as other nation are held to, using the same penetration formulas.
This issue of inflating German 37mm ( I also notice the German 50mm L42 with APCR is no longer having trouble knocking out T-34's , must be nice to know that German weapons development has continued into the 21st century and is being applied retroactively ) and having magical increases on the PzJg 1 pen over the identical gun in other armies is pure and simple intelectual dishonesty.
The arguement against my complaints about the dumbing down of the US ratings has often been " well the German OOB's get alot of attention , and the other countries not so much , so they are more complete , more reflective of a historical accuracy" Simply not so .. German OOB's are replete with errors and they are always in the favor of the German player , just as all "mistakes" in other OOB's underrate other nations equipment.
At some point it is going to start hurting the reputation of the game .. Not me pointing out the errors , the errors themselves , I get a lot on Email from other players who see this as well some who have left the game or play less now as I do , serious players. You compare German ratings in the game against reputable sources , and I admit sources can differ , but not by 10-33 percent. The 47mm is off by over 20% the 37mm has been pumped up over 50% . Have you guys no shame ?

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