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- 10/4/2003 4:47:44 PM   
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[QUOTE=Fallschirmjager]Im not near as well versed as you in actual data on real world weapons so I cannont post such thing

But to answer some of your questions

Im not so much concerced about PEN strentgh...as I am accuracy
Exp by the end was in the 100-110 range...but exp can only go so far

with 80 exp squads....i could nail T-34/85's at 200 metres with about a 50% hit chance on my FIRST shot

I just find that accuracy to be a bit on the high side...I was selling my tanks for extra m-9 teams
In one amazing battle...a team had 9 rockets....and got 5 t-34's 2 ISU's and a JS II....thats going above and beyond congressional medal of honor type performance right their
No tank got close than 2 hexs from the team...a tank would roll into range...and id blast them into the great potato field in the sky

I didnt waste my precious rockets on cars and light armor...so I would say only 10% of the above mentioned 75% were cars and armor under t-34 class

Infantry was non-present...but I dont think it would of mattered alot....i was getting first and second shot kills in large numbers

I thought at first the PEN might be too high...but then I realized ( I hope this is right) HEAT doesnt take slope into account
But I dont have real world data about PEN...so Im not going to make a judgement

But common sense tells me these things are too accurate...I felt like I was using priminative TOW missled[/QUOTE]

OK think about this for a minute .. you say that you were selling tanks to buy bazookas , a M4E8 HVSS is base price 148 and a M9 bazooka is 20 points M4E8 HVSS Carries 50 rounds of AP and APCR , 7 bazookas have 56 rounds of Heat, both have HE .. the Tank is more accurate, longer Ranged and more Mobile and has much better protection, yet you found the bazooka more useful, more accurate and deadly enough. Why ? , here's why .. no enemy infantry.. the bazookas were for all intents invisible to buttoned up tanks .. a US Tank could be seen and therefore countered .. just 1 point of suppression halves, roughly speaking, the accuracy on a tank , and the Russian Guns certainly could kill the tank. Had Infantry been Present , and had they been even 2 hexes in front of the tanks .. how quick do you think bazooka teams would have been spotted suppressed or killed , How many second accurate shots do you think you would have gotten , heck , how many second shots do spotted bazooka teams get within 2 hexes of enemy infantry ? Not many In my experience .
High Experience unsuppressed unspotted Bazooka teams , not threatened by Infantry or Artillery are going to get hits at 200 yards and less .. the minute they get that first hit .. the enemy in the area , especially an all tank force , is going to get some suppresion , making it both harder to find and to hit the bazooka teams. It wasn't thier accuracy , they are less accurate than a Tank , it wasn't thier pen , Bazookas do not penetrate as well as Tank AP or APCR , Heat does take into account slope and HEAT has a higher in game chance of failing to explode than Tank Fired AP ( which doesn't even have to check for explosion , because it is solid shot ) , it doesn't take into account range, but at max range 7 nothing takes into account range, What made them so darn ood in this game is that they were invisible and they were only invisible because there was no enemy infantry. If you were using US Infantry w/ Bazookas instead of just bazooka teams , Tanks would have been even cheaper to buy, on a number of AT ammo shots basis , but the infantry would still be invisible, so better for this situation than tanks. This is why, in this case, the bazooka appeared so darn accurate and lethal. Tanks have a higher acuracy rating and better pen , and just as many shots for the dollar , but in this case were spotted easier and therefore died or missed because they has some suppresion on them. Bazookas die easier and are suppressed quicker , but ONLY if you have something to spot them and shoot at them. So don't go blaming this situation compleatly on the Bazooka's accuracy rating.

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