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- 10/24/2003 2:24:11 AM

mdiehl

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You missed it by a minimalist amount. :D

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Show me a fellow who rejects statistical analysis a priori and I'll show you a fellow who has no knowledge of statistics.

Didn't we have this conversation already?

(in reply to Mike Scholl)

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- 10/24/2003 2:30:41 AM

Chiteng

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Making it very clear that I address NO ONE in any specific way.

'Minimalists' as I defined them are simply people/players/whoever
who wish to see specific 'acceptable results' when a situation is modeled.
In a Wargame, such as we are discussing here, that is the combat engine.
We as players, do not have access to that engine. We therefore can only speculate.

Any designer or Player who ignores historical reality, because of a perception
'BY HIM/HER' that is doesnt suit the simulated model, has 'MINIMIZED' the reality
of the historical event.

Ask ANY modern day fighter pilot: "does flight experience matter during combat"
What answer will you get? Do we need to debate this yet again?

However it is NOT easily quantified and modeled. That 'grey' area is the source of all this debate. Obviously 'I' feel pilot experience matters a very great deal.
Other people do NOT. I demand NO ONE accept my opinion. But I certainly WONT
abandon it because someone simply doesnt 'like' subjectivity.
People who wish to see the impact of pilot experience, 'MINIMIZED',
are what I am calling 'minimalists'

A detailed analysis of all Surface battles in WW2 is presented, with
a statistical analysis. Except of course that analysis ignores two of the
most significant battles. Why? Apparently the persentation feels that
those two battles are statistical artifacts, and thus, excluded.

Those are someone ELSES criteria for valididty. They are NOT mine.
The battles happened, men died, deal with it.

Experience matters, deal with it.

I am far more concerned with a game that AT A MINIMUM can replicate
historical events.

Defining words for your own use is quite common btw =)

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'For those with faith, no proof is needed. For those without faith, no proof is enough'

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"Statistic

(in reply to Mike Scholl)