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ACTUALLY.... - 10/27/2003 10:30:23 PM

Mike Scholl

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[QUOTE=Mr.Frag]Mike? 10-20% Operational losses???

Thats 1-2 planes for every flight of 10. 30 odd days in a month, thats 30-60 planes a month! You don't get that many B-17's!

I think you are in denial [img][/QUOTE]

I was actually commenting on a very specific "quote" that I listed in my post.
Though given some of the "wild" efforts and usages B-17's were put to in the
early months or WWII (until say April 1942) 10% operational losses don't seem
extreme at all. Flying them half-way around the world to operate out of 2nd
class bases with minimal ground support to try to make up for our initial unpre-
paredness was asking for high operational loss rates. Those early Squadrons
were basically the only thing we could get rapidly to the SRA---and they wound
up being "sacrificed" to their own pre-war hype and our need to "show the flag".
A lot of the crews DID make it out..., but not many of the aircraft.

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- 10/28/2003 2:28:55 AM

Mike_B20

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Btw: there are separate pools for the various groups, the big problem you start with in UV is a mass shortage of aircraft. Planes flood in stripping the pool at record rates and the skill slips down the tubes fairly quickly. This may be why you are seeing it more in B-17's ... with the slower aircraft rate, the pilot pool has been raped and pillaged by the B-25/26/PBY/P-39/etc.

Just another reason to pull back and heal up instead of going on the offensive at the start of the game. Once you dump your pilot pool into the crapper, you screw up a lot of air units and it takes months to get them back to where they started the game at...[/QUOTE]

Yes Mr Frag,
I often experience 10-20% operational losses of my B17's...even on "milk runs", where no flak or enemy fighters are encountered, clear weather, at normal range with low fatigue and skilled pilots.
The high operational losses for B17's seem hard coded into UV.

The low skill pilots are being sent to my B17's (and other squads) regardless of whether the squads need pilots (one B17 squad has 30 pilots).
I have been husbanding my bomber strength but cannot stem the stream of these knuckleheads.

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