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- 11/15/2003 3:58:24 AM

Chiteng

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So What? By 1945 any simulation should have the IJN at the bottom and the
Home Islands under attack. (or occupied)

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- 11/15/2003 8:01:16 AM

afenelon

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[QUOTE=mdiehl]Peace to you then. And thanks for double checking. Now that we've established the params I think we can agree on two things. 1. The LATE war US fighters had the Ki-84 beat to the nines. The Ki-84 was competitive with the MID war variants of the F4U, P47, and P51 (although inferior in airspeed) and somewhat superior to the F6F. In that case, for these latter comparisons, the whole "what was the better a/c" tit for tat boils down to the same sorts of discussions we've had about the relative merits of the F4F and A6M. Speed, maneuverability at different speeds, durability and armaments. IMO the Ki-84 really preserves the A6M vs F4F situation only when it fights the F6F. When it goes against these other planes the Ki-84 (1) can't outrun them, (2) can't out dive them, and (3) at high speed or altitude, can't outmaneuver them. So I'd place the strong bets on the F4U, P47 and P51 (even the mid war variants) to beat the Ki-84.[/QUOTE]

-Agreed, but look to the fact that I said that the Ki-84 was ALMOST equal not that it was superior or equal. I would say that, if the Ki-84�s had good pilots and if there wasn�t so much deterioration in quality production, it would be possible to have, maybe, 3:2 losses (favoring the allied aircraft) in late 1944 to mid 1945, at least until the P-51H and P-47N arrive to the frontlines. Also the Ki-84 would able to fight those early P-51�s and P-47�s at mid and low attitudes (in those cases the US planes would lose the speed advantage, but I don�t know how much frequent were those low attitude engagements). If I was to simulate the Ki-84 in my hypothetical scenarios, I would, maybe, decrease the Ki-84 durability to simulate attrition losses (I will check UV values for Ki-84). To deal with the Ki-94II, J7W, Ki-83 and Ki-201 would be even more difficult. The Ki-83 impressed the Americans and was quite maneuverable, but two engine fighters are usually poor matches for single engine ones. I have few data on the J7W and the Ki-94II, while the Ki-201 would be somewhat worsened Me-262. The A7M2 would be close to a Ki-84 or Hellcat. I must see if the game will have P-51H, P-47N, F4U-4 (at least graphics won�t be a trouble with those planes)...

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