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Mac OS X - 3/24/2004 12:36:17 AM   
IanAM


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Is there ever going to be a possibilty of Matrix releasing games in Mac OS X format?

I know that is probably better asked of games' developers rather than publishers, but would be interested in hearing the Matrix position on Mac support.

I am a big fan of Matrix games - I own EYSA, Massive Assault, Korsun and HTTR - and would like, at some point to be able to play similar games on my Mac rather than PC...

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/25/2004 3:51:36 AM   
John David


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Status: offline 		I'd like to see it to Ian.

Hopefully as the Mac continues to build on it's ever increasing market share, small as it may be now, more games will be made available!

The new G5 with Panther under the hood is simply awesome!

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/29/2004 4:35:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone from Matrix got an interest in Macs then?

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 4:46:41 AM   
Balls2004

 

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 6:28:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: John David

The new G5 with Panther under the hood is simply awesome!



No its not.

If I am using a spread sheet or a word processor, its exactly the same as Windows.

There is no difference.

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 7:18:11 AM   
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may it DIE IN PEACE

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 11:05:20 AM   
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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 11:03:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

quote:

ORIGINAL: John David

The new G5 with Panther under the hood is simply awesome!



No its not.

If I am using a spread sheet or a word processor, its exactly the same as Windows.

There is no difference.


Let's not turn this into a typical Mac Vs Windows flame war OK!

I have both platforms, but I am a multi media developer and for graphics, video editing and other like tasks, no Windows machine can even come close to a Mac, especially the new Dual G5's Period! Everyone in the graphics , video and audio fields know's this. End of discussion!!

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/30/2004 11:09:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pippin

If they port some good games over to the MAC, I do hope they take a one button mouse into consideration when designing the GUI. :P


Most mass market games are now avilable for the Mac. Look it up and see!

Oh BTW, I use a 2 button mouse on my Mac! Oh yeah, I also use a fly wheel for audio and video editing. Oh right... almost forgot, I use a Graphics tablet when I use Photoshop or Illustrator!

Oh, and to the rest of you who are going to try to come up with some smart ass remark or more opinions on the Mac, don't bother because I won't be returning to this thread. I've seen it and seen it! Both platforms have their strengths and weakneses, that's why it's good to have a CHOICE!.

This Mac bashing is typical and I don't come to the Matrix forum for this crap. Out!!

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 1:28:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did not come to bash Macs

I have asked Mac users 100 times to actually explain the differences - because if its better I am interested.

No Mac user has ever responded.

Even the staff in a Mac shop can't tell me.

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 1:28:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a G5 Mac user for work (Photoshop & some video). My PC is for games only. I would love to have more wargames for Mac-my screen is vastly bigger than my PC's+my Mac is waaay faster.

Here is a game to try for Mac wargamers (it's free)-

http://sourceforge.net/projects/joyofhex/

It's as close as you can get on native OSX to Talonsoft's Operational Art of War. It has a good scenario editor, but no historical scenarios. I'm working on some, though...

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 4:40:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

I did not come to bash Macs

I have asked Mac users 100 times to actually explain the differences - because if its better I am interested.

No Mac user has ever responded.

Even the staff in a Mac shop can't tell me.


I'm responding to this because Joe98 asked a legitimate question.

I told you what the Mac was best at. If you haven't used the Mac and a Windows machine to try to do the same things in regards to the areas I described in my previous post, then you wouldn't know or understand the difference. If your so curious, why don't you try for yourself. Don't ask other people to do the work for you and explain something that has to be experienced for yourself.

However, I don't want to fall under the category of your so called 100 Mac users who never can explain things to you so... here is an example!

Go ahead and try to import raw video, either digital or analog, then convert it through a bridge, then use an editor to edit the video,(and don't give me Adobe Premiere or Vegas Video or any other video editing software available on a Windows platform because none of them including Avid, can touch Apple's Final Cut Pro), then use any Windows software to create the DVD shell, menus etc..., to create the DVD, then use something to convert the video to MPEG 2 for DVD creation. Oh, you can't, not at all as well as with Apple's DVD Studio Pro 2 and QuickTime compression.

Oh and never mind what I say if you want, why don't you check to see for yourself what 95% of Pro Film & Television people in the business use. Check to see on remote locations for a shoot what laptop is being used and what software. Here's a clue, you'll see a big white Apple logo almost everywhere you look. Go into most recording studios and see what they are using, yep there's that darn Apple logo again!

Oh yeah, I'm not even going to go into the stability issue of the two OS, OS X and Windows, since it is no contest. Remember or FYI, OS X guts are Unix based...nuff said! One trully multi tasks, the other....please, I'll let you guess which is which!

Does that qualify to you as an answer from a Mac person as a response to your query!



As I said before, I like both platforms as they both serve a purpose, Just don't try to tell me and others that there is no difference.

One last thing for you, you mentioned that when running a spread sheet or word processor that there was no difference. Your not going to like this but... even Bill Gates himself, along with many other software consultants stated that Microsoft Office runs better on OS X then it does on Windows. This is not my opinion but fact, look it up!

Oh,BTW, the staff in the Mac shop that you refer to are incompetent if they couldn't tell you the above things I mentioned, so I would look for another place to do your research!

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 5:03:22 AM   
John David


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ORIGINAL: benpark

I am a G5 Mac user for work (Photoshop & some video). My PC is for games only. I would love to have more wargames for Mac-my screen is vastly bigger than my PC's+my Mac is waaay faster.

Here is a game to try for Mac wargamers (it's free)-

http://sourceforge.net/projects/joyofhex/

It's as close as you can get on native OSX to Talonsoft's Operational Art of War. It has a good scenario editor, but no historical scenarios. I'm working on some, though...


Thanks for the heads up on this benpark. I'll check it out!

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 10:44:41 AM   
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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 4:57:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

The only problem I have with a Mac is that they´re overprized and that Adobe doesn´t offer crossplattform licensing anymore. As much as I would like to switch for artwork, web and media production, it´s simply not affordable.


The same problem with Adobe or Macromedia or any other software as far as crossplatform issues would apply to a Mac user wanting to get the Windows version. That has nothing to do with Apple or Microsoft.

As far as Mac's being more expensive, yes they are, but you get what you pay for. One of the best benefits of owning a Mac is that the hardware and OS are all made by the same company. Also, show me anything on the PC side that is even in the same galaxy as the iLife bundle (iPhoto,iTunes,iMovie & iDVD), and iLife comes with the OS!! You can't, because Windows has nothing like it.

I can't tell you how sick I am of all the different problems people have had with the unending hardware choices, driver issues and configurations with a PC. I know because I help my friends and family all the time. However, with my Mac friends, we only talk about how we get things done and the differences that the individual choices we make, or advice on how to do something using a piece of software.

Again, I own and love my PC. It rocks for gaming and surfing the net, and I do use some other work related software on it. So I am not a PC basher by any stretch.

My comments were in direct result of the continuing ignorance by allot of PC users about the Mac. This has been going on for years. This thread started with a legitimate inquiry of future Matrix games available on the Mac platform, which I agreed upon, only to have somone who isn't even a Mac user, come in and state the usual ignorance shown towards the Mac.

Yes the price of a Mac is more, but the prices have dropped considerably with the intro of the G5 line, but as I said before, and it is true with everything in our consumer world, you get what you pay for!

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 5:22:14 PM   
IanAM


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the mention of Joy of Hex benpark...I'll take a look.

And see http://www.macwargames.com/ for some Napoleonic and ACW Mac wargames.

And War! Age of Imperialism, recently reviewed by Wargamer

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/war_age_of_imperialism/

is available for Mac.

And, dare I mention I've got HOI for Mac.

And Combat Mission is available for Mac, but not, I'm afraid OSX.

But none of this means I can play my favourite Matrix games :(

Surely what it does mean though is that it can be financially viable to produce Mac wargames. Which is why I started the thread - to find out if there was any possibilty of Matrix going down that route...not to start a Mac v. PC debate.

But, just to join in, I work with PCs, have always had a PC at home which is used for gaming a lot, but have just upgraded from a PC notebook to a Mac Powerbook - and I find the Powerbook a joy to use! And I don't think it's that overpriced - to get a similarly specced and styled PC notebook - say the Sony Vaio - I would have spent a similar amount.

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 5:29:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IanAM

Surely what it does mean though is that it can be financially viable to produce Mac wargames. Which is why I started the thread - to find out if there was any possibilty of Matrix going down that route...not to start a Mac v. PC debate.




I agree, but sadly, this seems to happen all the time, no matter where or what the subject is about. I just want to get the facts straight.

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 5:34:26 PM   
IanAM


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ORIGINAL: John David

I just want to get the facts straight.



Fair enough...and you're doing a good job :)

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 5:38:04 PM   
John David


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Status: offline 		Thanks Ian.

You don't suppose Steve Jobs has any Apple stock options waiting for me do ya!

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 7:35:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John David

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

The only problem I have with a Mac is that they´re overprized and that Adobe doesn´t offer crossplattform licensing anymore. As much as I would like to switch for artwork, web and media production, it´s simply not affordable.


The same problem with Adobe or Macromedia or any other software as far as crossplatform issues would apply to a Mac user wanting to get the Windows version. That has nothing to do with Apple or Microsoft.



Sure it´s not an Apple problem , but it´s still a problem if you want to switch, sadly.

I guess I´ll buy a powerbook someday, for all the video stuff.

BTW, I have a Mac, a SE 30, with Freehand. Marvellous what desktop publishing has been like back then

The second Mac in the family is my girlfriends iMac and a VERY old powerbook (don´t know which one.

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 7:52:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marc,

If you get the new Powerbook, you won't be dissapointed.

I agree that the crossplatform issue is a pain, especially when someone like me has both platforms. As an example, I have Flash MX on my PC, so it would be great if I could get the Mac version cheap, but alas, no go. Thats just the way it is.

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 9:15:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't a flame, more of a levelheaded comparison. I too like choice but the balance is still in favor of the PC for me - although there are some things about Macs that make me wish that it were otherwise (and it’s a really close call)!

I don't do video or sound editing so those advantages are lost on me. The whole stability thing is pretty much also a non issue for me since WinXP has come out, the only thing that causes me difficulty now is poorly written third party software. So to me XP versus OSX is largely a wash.


Mac Pros(for me):
A) The hardware is extremely well engineered, especially with the laptops.
B) The look and feel of the OS is excellent.
C) Laptops are beyond terrific from a hardware and performance standpoint.
D) Nice peripherals such as the iPod.


The cons (for me) are:
A) Price, yes they've improved but still aren't competitive.
B) Software selection, again improved but nowhere near where I want it.
C) Price.
D) Hardware accessibility – this is more of my impression –which may be incorrect- but I like to get in and get my hands dirty and tinker.

I list price twice to emphasize how important it is for me. I can’t see spending thousands of dollars on a PC anymore as I’m likely to end up replacing it in a few years anyway. If Mac finds a way to get costs lower I think I might end up going that way in a heartbeat.

The two camps are closer together now than they ever have been for me. As a developer, Mac OS/X is a HUGE jump in usability for me. And coupled with the pricing improvements would have made me switch if not for XP and the massive price drops that the intel boxes have had.

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 9:36:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not to pick on the Apple line, but I own computers to run software ... if the software is not available, it really makes no difference who's hardware is better

I understand that Mac's fit a very special market segment, and that is their choice and they probably have no peers in that market. But, I'm not in that market so I have little use for the machine.

Sometimes people forget that we have all this hardware just to run software, not the other way around.

To each their own, it's a free world if you can afford the price tags.

The same discussion holds just as true for the Linux vs Windows debate ... who cares which is better? Does it run your software?

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RE: Mac OS X - 3/31/2004 10:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, in the seemingly never ending series of trying to make a point, please go back to the originator of this thread going off track. The inference was that there is no difference between the two platforms. As I have stated, very well if I may say so, the differences are clear.

The Gnome, you state yourself that you don't do the kinds of things that I mentioned are what Media pros use,(Video editing et..) so the advantages are lost on you. Again, this is the whole point isn't it. What is it about this difference that you PC guys don't get! These are the strengths as to why people in my field and others use Apple computers! That's what makes them different!

As far as the software available, again it's what you do. BTW, that argument about not enough software available for the Mac is very weak and holds very little truth anymore. How many versions of software do you have to have to do the same tasks! Most of the main commercial software is available for both platforms.

The only thing I agree partially with is the price of the Mac Vs. a PC, but as you stated "The hardware is extremely well engineered, especially with the laptops". Remember you get what you pay for. Oh yes, the laptops are really nice, but you have never owned or I bet even tried the new Dual G5's with Panther running in it, because if you had, you would understand what I'm talking about.

As for you Mr.Frag , your statement that:

(" I understand that Mac's fit a very special market segment, and that is their choice and they probably have no peers in that market. But, I'm not in that market so I have little use for the machine."), shows how little you understand about Mac's and the Apple line. the Mac is made also for the everyday computer user, not just for the "Special Market".
Most computer users want the kinds of things that come in the iLife package, along with game playing and internet use. This is why many people have been making the switch.

Mark my words, the reason the next version of Windows is taking so long to come out with is not the 64 bit implementation that is already in Panther, but Microsoft's grudgingly acknowledgement that they too have to offer an iLife type package, (along with trying to make a secure OS! Thought I would forget about that with XP's Billion security patches and Virus vulnerability that Mac's dont suffer from, didn't you!)

Again it is evident that these fallacies and misconceptions are almost always stated by people who have never owned a Mac or spent any REAL time working with one. And don't give me the I used one years ago and I know what there about card, because under OS X and with the G5's, there is no comparison.
None of you have ever used a G5 for any length of time , (because they are so new you have to own one as they are just now coming into commercial use outside of the education and science fields) yet if at all, so don't tell me you can make a fair comparison. Well, I own both so I can!

Now,I have stated my arguments using facts and experience to counter every single objection that has been brought up throughout this thread, vs. the typical arguments, hearsay and misinformation that have been used against Mac's for years.

I have answered everything point by point while the other side continues in generalities. Well, I'm finished with this!
No use of logic or facts will change anyone of your views. You fail to recognize what my point was about in the first place and just regurgitate the same nonsense all Mac users have always heard from the other side.

What's more ridiculous, is the complete disregard for my statement that I too am a PC user, and love my Intel Box!

The bottom line here is unless you own both platforms and have worked with them for years as I have AND have had the G5 to work with, frankly, you are not qualified to make an impartial comparison. I am, and for the millionth time, and please read this carefully, they both have their uses and are both great computer platforms. Again, the point was made by Joe98 that there was no difference between them!

I'm not going to change your minds, nor do I care to because I'm talking to deaf ears. I stated in an earlier post that I don't come to Matrix for this kind of stuff. I only continued to reply because it has been my experience here that 99% of the time people here remain open minded and pliable in discussing issues related to our games (SPWAW OOB discussions excluded), however it is very obvious that when it comes to the same old and tired Mac vs. PC routines, this place is no different then any other that I have been to.

One last thing for the impartial observer. Ask yourself which side has seen the benefits of both platforms. Who has argued for the difference in the two, without all together writing off the other side which is all too common a ploy on the PC side of the argument.

Why do I know all these things. Why am I so sure that the PC guys are always like this and misunderstand or know nothing about the Mac so they go about it this way. I'll tell you why! BECAUSE I WAS ONCE ONE OF THEM!!

Not until I opened my mind and realized as I was forced to work with a Mac, first in school, then on the job, just how amazing the Mac was. Why I was able to do things easier, faster and with better options than with the same software I had at home running on a state of the art PC! And yes, I love my PC, it's fast and I have some of the latest and best hardware in it, but for CERTAIN things, my old G4 could do these tasks better. Now with the new dual G5, forget about it!

Anyway, I've tried to answer the best I can. Thanks to all of you who read this, I know this is really a silly place to have this discussion, but I have had it with this kind of thinking. I know all about it, as I stated, I was once that way too.

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 1:25:53 AM   
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Mark my words, the reason the next version of Windows is taking so long to come out with is not the 64 bit implementation that is already in Panther,


Latest news its hat MS will offer an 64bit upgrade for WinXP. It´ll most probably face the same imcompatibility issues OS X has with older Mac software.

quote:


The bottom line here is unless you own both platforms and have worked with them for years as I have AND have had the G5 to work with, frankly, you are not qualified to make an impartial comparison.


That is true, you have to "feel it". You don´t need a G5 for that though.

quote:

I know this is really a silly place to have this discussion, but I have had it with this kind of thinking. I know all about it, as I stated, I was once that way too.


Na, not true, I´m pretty sure a lot of guys are interested in Macs. As they have been when we discussed alternative software to the regular MS stuff here. I think it´s just that people look a bit "sceptic" at Macs because so "few" people use it. With "few" I mean the regular computer users, not professionals in the media and desktop publishing business.

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 1:51:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

quote:

Mark my words, the reason the next version of Windows is taking so long to come out with is not the 64 bit implementation that is already in Panther,


Latest news its hat MS will offer an 64bit upgrade for WinXP. It´ll most probably face the same incompatibility issues OS X has with older Mac software.

With the ability to boot into Classic (OS 9) or the "Carbon" versions of the software, that is not an issue anymore. Also with Quark FINALLY releasing there upgrade to OS X, the last vestiges of holdouts from OS X has been removed.

quote:


The bottom line here is unless you own both platforms and have worked with them for years as I have AND have had the G5 to work with, frankly, you are not qualified to make an impartial comparison.


That is true, you have to "feel it". You don´t need a G5 for that though.

Sorry Marc, but with the Dual G5's that use Panther that is specially optimized to take advantage of the G5 processor, there is a need for even the experienced Mac user to run this new system. It has changed everything!

quote:

I know this is really a silly place to have this discussion, but I have had it with this kind of thinking. I know all about it, as I stated, I was once that way too.


Na, not true, I´m pretty sure a lot of guys are interested in Macs. As they have been when we discussed alternative software to the regular MS stuff here. I think it´s just that people look a bit "sceptic" at Macs because so "few" people use it. With "few" I mean the regular computer users, not professionals in the media and desktop publishing business.


Thanks Marc, I appreciate you seeing this for what it is. With the amount of every day computer users switching to the Mac, this perception of Mac's only being for Pro users is quickly changing.

JD

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 1:58:40 AM   
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Also with Quark FINALLY releasing there upgrade to OS X, the last vestiges of holdouts from OS X has been removed.


Quark sucks anyway, move to InDesign 2 . Oh btw, are they again charging for the Quark upgrade ?

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Thanks Marc, I appreciate you seeing this for what it is. With the amount of every day computer users switching to the Mac, this perception of Mac's only being for Pro users is quickly changing.


Yep, the "new" iMac seems to do quite well in that regard. My girlfriends pa (nearly 70 !!) has a little private Mac museum, he´s what you would call an Apple nerd

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Sorry Marc, but with the Dual G5's that use Panther that is specially optimized to take advantage of the G5 processor, there is a need for even the experienced Mac user to run this new system. It has changed everything!


That is true, but even with older Macs and the respective OS youcan "feel" the difference.

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 2:20:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only mentioned Quark because sooo many pepole were waiting for it and used it as an excuse not to make the switch to OS X.

I've used InDesign since it first came out. I'm primarily an Adobe and Macromedia user, along with Apple's own software, i.e. Final Cut Pro & DVD Studio Pro 2.

If you mean to feel the difference between a PC in regards to older Mac OS's, then yes of course that was my whole point that I made at the start of all this madness at the top of this thread.

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 4:58:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John David

I only mentioned Quark because sooo many pepole were waiting for it and used it as an excuse not to make the switch to OS X.

I've used InDesign since it first came out. I'm primarily an Adobe and Macromedia user, along with Apple's own software, i.e. Final Cut Pro & DVD Studio Pro 2.

If you mean to feel the difference between a PC in regards to older Mac OS's, then yes of course that was my whole point that I made at the start of all this madness at the top of this thread.


John, you are clearly missing my point. Of the thousands of titles released each year, how many have a Mac version? Very FEW! Software drives hardware, not the other way around. If Apple had done better marketing years ago, we would all be running them instead of IBM gear. Debate it all you want because it does not really matter in the end. If you had a PC emulator product that actually worked well enough to run my games, I'd be there in a heartbeat because it is by far the better hardware, but such is not the case.

The very first post in this thread is from a user begging for SOFTWARE to be available. You are just as bad as the linux guys, ignoring the real issue in favour of flaunting the better system. Who cares about the system if it doesn't have the software you want??? I am very happy for you that you run software that suits what you need a computer for that happens to be available for a Mac ... I run absolutely nothing that is available for a Mac therefore the Mac is a cute paperweight to me. If you want to debate the software available, feel free.

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RE: Mac OS X - 4/1/2004 5:43:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

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ORIGINAL: John David

I only mentioned Quark because sooo many pepole were waiting for it and used it as an excuse not to make the switch to OS X.

I've used InDesign since it first came out. I'm primarily an Adobe and Macromedia user, along with Apple's own software, i.e. Final Cut Pro & DVD Studio Pro 2.

If you mean to feel the difference between a PC in regards to older Mac OS's, then yes of course that was my whole point that I made at the start of all this madness at the top of this thread.


John, you are clearly missing my point. Of the thousands of titles released each year, how many have a Mac version? Very FEW! Software drives hardware, not the other way around. If Apple had done better marketing years ago, we would all be running them instead of IBM gear. Debate it all you want because it does not really matter in the end. If you had a PC emulator product that actually worked well enough to run my games, I'd be there in a heartbeat because it is by far the better hardware, but such is not the case.

The very first post in this thread is from a user begging for SOFTWARE to be available. You are just as bad as the linux guys, ignoring the real issue in favour of flaunting the better system. Who cares about the system if it doesn't have the software you want??? I am very happy for you that you run software that suits what you need a computer for that happens to be available for a Mac ... I run absolutely nothing that is available for a Mac therefore the Mac is a cute paperweight to me. If you want to debate the software available, feel free.


No, I'm afraid it is you who is again missing the point. The point of this discussion was Joe98's assertion that there was no difference between the two platforms. What is it about this that you don't or won't understand!!

The fact that you have no use for the Mac is your concern, and frankly I really don't care.
AGAIN That's not what this was about in the first place.

As far as you and other PC folks continually decrying the lack of games and general software available for the Mac is laughable. True, not all titles are available on the Mac side, but the same can be said about software that I wish I could get for the Windows machine.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of this constant banter back and forth with this nonsense. Once more, you fail to realize the true nature of this discussion and refuse to acknowledge that this whole thing is NOT about PC VS Mac, but the difference. Please, you don't use both platforms , so in my book your not qualified to compare the two.

This thread has run it's course for me because we are having the same usual stupid discussion that sadly, always seems to come up between PC and Mac users. And yes again, the fact that I have repeatedly stated that I have a state of the art PC and I love my Intel box, is again conviently left out of the discussion. Please, go talk to someone else about this because, frankly, I'm tired of this, it's now very boring. As I said earlier, I am talking to deaf ears, who choose to only pick apart certain things instead of the big picture. Enough already! Don't get a Mac. Who cares. This thread should not interest you and other PC users anyway. Why do your type continue to visit and comment on something you apparently have no use for. C'mon, seriously it's all very sad really!

JD

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