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1805 scenario setup, Esposito and Westpoint atlases - 4/10/2004 8:34:46 PM   
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I just compared the scenario starting forces with Greenhill's Napoleonic Wars Atlas (A Military History and Atlas of the Nap. Wars, Vincent J. Esposito and John R. Elting) and found some more or less important differences.

For the French;

Barraguay's division of dismounted dragoons is entirely missing (the division probably did not get to fight a battle at the time, but was on LOC duties as well as with Murat and Ney's corps at times during the campaign). According to Esposito teh division was some 5500 men strong. In game terms that would be a 11 SP Inafntry Division of regular or trained quality (1 step at least under mounted dragoons). The division shoudl start the scenario with the southern force (Murat, Lannes & Ney).

Harraut's (Baden) Infantry division is also missing. I'm not sure it actually took part in the campaign, but was attached to Ney's corps sometime in late september early october. Maybe the division was left behind.

Bessieres's Imperial Guard units should start the scenario with Murat's wing. They arrived within the game area before october 6th, so definitelly long before Augerau's VIIth corps.

Nansouty started the campaign with Davout (Esposito also gives a lower strength for the other divisions of Murat's corps, only some 14400 men total (plus Barraguay's 5500)).

Deroi and Wrede's bavarians according to both Esposito and the Westpoint Atlas were 22500 strong and at least during part of the campaign formed as an independant corps (under Deroi). Though the current setup may well portray reality (many german units were apparently left on LoC duties, and at least Wrede's division spent the whole campaign under Bernadotte's command).

Augereau doesn't seem to arrive in the game area by the end of this scenario (the Westpoint atlas confirms this with a date of november 1st for VIIth corps arriving at Ulm).

For the Austrians;

Kienmayer's corps was somewhere between Ingolstadt and Donauwörth, apparently his orders were not to assemble at Ulm. I'd concentrate that corps on the bridges SW of Ingolstadt.

An Austrian force of some 2500 men was also located at Amberg, probably independant of the corps structure.

Jellacic should arrive as a reinforcement at Ulm (sometime before october 6th) as his corps was assembling further west.

Schwarzenberg's corps is missing all together (though his forces seem to be present). He should start at Ulm. This omission might be intentional as iirc Schwarzenberg was one of the problems during that campaign.

I derive all of this from said Atlases (mostly Esposito, but also a few points confirmed by the less detailed Westpoint atlas). On the other hand I have no idea how reliable these two books are and whether other sources might contradict them. If this were my game, I'd modify the 1805 scenario accordingly. Though except for Kienmayer and Augereau it probably doesn't affect playing the scenario very much.

Marc aka Caran...
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RE: 1805 scenario setup, Esposito and Westpoint atlases - 4/13/2004 7:50:06 PM   
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The 1809 OB was taken from Petre. (As was the 1806 OB) Petre didn't write a book on 1805 however so that OB was cobbled together from a number of books getting pieces here and there including from Esposito/Elting. A member of the Napoleonic Wargame Club then went over that making some changes based on his own study. When a unit's location was not known for sure on a particular date we used the nearest location/date we had and figured roughly where the unit would have been.

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RE: 1805 scenario setup, Esposito and Westpoint atlases - 5/9/2004 12:14:31 AM   
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Just out of interest is there anyway to edit the OOB and deployment should we wish to?

If nothing else it would be useful for What-If scenario's

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