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This looks pretty interesting - 4/20/2004 8:19:25 AM   
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http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/brothersinarms/index.html

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/20/2004 3:46:46 PM   
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It looks fine enough from a tech level angle, but I think by and large, it seems like the Final Fantasy movie The Spirits Within.

Somewhere along the way it's inevitable, you will end up wasting time marveling at the detail of the screen, and forget you were only wanting to play a wargame.

Well that's me at least. I consider HTTR to be a great example of a great new wargame.
I think the guys that made this, might be better off doing CGI for movies though.

It looks incredible, but so what. Where does it end? I thought the dead guy in the tree was more than I want to see in "a game". Maybe next they can recreate the smell. When are the bad guys going to rape someone in graphic detail. I sure hope they never get around to a concentration camp.

The closer to real it gets, the more it turns me off.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/20/2004 4:07:57 PM   
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Very bored indeed.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/20/2004 7:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brothers in Arms ehh?? A stroy about the 101 AB division in DDay. I have a better name for it, lets call it Band of Brothers. We will base it off the real life account of an actual paratrooper company (ill throw a dart at the alphabet). Oh how about that, I hit "E." Now all we need is a best selling book to base it on......

Aside from the stupidity of doing yet another game, movie, book, media someting, about the 101, I think if this games is anything like Ghost Recon they will get my dollar. I noticed its being published by UBIsoft. The screen shots seemed a little vague, and if its a Medal of Honor clone that will be very sad. It seemed strange that three of those screen shots showed the men posing for a photo oppurtunity. Oh well I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/21/2004 1:31:18 AM   
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I consider HTTR to be a great example of a great new wargame.




Whoo! We finally got it out of him!

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/21/2004 8:31:16 AM   
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A.it is supposed to be based off a real life story,but the catch is in the "based" part...now isn't it.

B.The previews assertion that proper squad based tactics,as the non-com,are essiental to to get through the game.

I just figured i would throw this one out there,as i was suprised when i came across it.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/25/2004 10:42:19 PM   
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I'm thinking "Call of Duty meets Hidden & Dangerous 2, but a LOT more good looking".

Probably worth a demo DL when it's released.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/25/2004 11:29:05 PM   
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If they MUST make another Normandy game at least do it from a different piont of view. Why not from the British Airborne or even the Germans?

WWII spanned the globe and lasted what, six years? Must we continue to spend so much time during that first week in June of '44?

At least when Spielberg and Hanks finish making their new mini-series in the Pacific, game makers will have a new cash cow to milk.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/26/2004 4:30:51 PM   
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Another WWII game set as the Allies at Normandy

If they MUST make another Normandy game at least do it from a different piont of view. Why not from the British Airborne or even the Germans?

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Good question. But we won't see any first-person games featuring a scenario campaign with a German in the lead role anytime soon I recon. Taboo.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/27/2004 8:19:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Peever

Another WWII game set as the Allies at Normandy

If they MUST make another Normandy game at least do it from a different piont of view. Why not from the British Airborne or even the Germans?

WWII spanned the globe and lasted what, six years? Must we continue to spend so much time during that first week in June of '44?

At least when Spielberg and Hanks finish making their new mini-series in the Pacific, game makers will have a new cash cow to milk.


I hope so.I always found the PTO/CIB theaters more of interest than the NA/ETO theaters.MoH:Rising Sun just didn't quite fit the bill.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/27/2004 7:14:53 PM   
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Another WWII game set as the Allies at Normandy

If they MUST make another Normandy game at least do it from a different piont of view. Why not from the British Airborne or even the Germans?

WWII spanned the globe and lasted what, six years? Must we continue to spend so much time during that first week in June of '44?

At least when Spielberg and Hanks finish making their new mini-series in the Pacific, game makers will have a new cash cow to milk.
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I hope so.I always found the PTO/CIB theaters more of interest than the NA/ETO theaters.MoH:Rising Sun just didn't quite fit the bill.



My thoughts exactly Peever.

Maliki, I have not palyed MoH Rising Sun yet, and who knows, maybe MoH Pacific Assault will be better. All I can say, is I bought MoH Breakthrough. It was fun, but I would like to see the Italian front modeled from a whole new engine. One like his new Brothers in Arms game.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 3:29:56 AM   
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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 3:39:34 AM   
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Been done to death, but wargamers tend to equate certain things together in spite of how often it has been done before.

Every time someone releases something military, certain truths are hard to ignore.

WW2 was about many things, but commercially, it is basically only about the Russian front, or something the US did. It's almost like that was the only part of the war that counted at the cash register.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 4:30:28 AM   
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Yes annoyingly true, the same with Tanks + Russia = Wargame.


Hehe well Les in a couple more years we wont even have to worry about that. Being a High School history teacher, I have to constantly remind my 9th Graders that there was such a thing as the Soviet Union since most of them were born in 1988. Or if your taking a pot shot at CCIII I could not agree more.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 4:31:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its getting to the point were its a joke. There is so much that has never been looked at by the industry. I am not a fan of FPS in the first place but I can see how some would like the eye candy and the fast pace game play (under 30 crowd). But MOH or COD or even this Brothers in arms are not wargames, its paint ball in a WWII uniform. I like how they allways push the its the most realistic wargame yet, How is that do you feel remorse after a game.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 5:10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Most realistic" is about as silly a term as it gets.

I think of them as silly bugger with no arguing over "bang your dead!" and the other guy saying "no I'm not, you're dead".

Sort of like "real time", ah yeah right, sure, whatever you say.

I will give them credit for stunning visual details, and some day they may become an asset for hollywood the way Final Fantasy has. Not that Hollywood has ever been well known for "real" or "accurate".

But as you said, in a few more years....

I still chuckle over a short conversation with a young friend I have in town here. He is one of the super skilled mega computer using FPS types as well. He is 19 currently.
I was recalling the Gulf War, and made some remark about it, and I was talking as if it was a common thing between us. My error though, was forgetting I was an older man, but he wasn't.
"Ah Les, I was only 6 during the Gulf War".
Just seemed natural to talk about it though. It was something I can still recall like it was yesterday on the news.

Most kids today, can't even relate to games that were not played on a machine.

I say "wargame", and I really mean "board game".

I say "simulation", and I actually mean "historical recreation".

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 3:13:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Peever

Another WWII game set as the Allies at Normandy

If they MUST make another Normandy game at least do it from a different piont of view. Why not from the British Airborne or even the Germans?

WWII spanned the globe and lasted what, six years? Must we continue to spend so much time during that first week in June of '44?

At least when Spielberg and Hanks finish making their new mini-series in the Pacific, game makers will have a new cash cow to milk.


mhh.. british in normandy ?? where do you have information from that the there were any other countries ? i thought the americans won that alone with a few paratroopers who kicked the germans but. like the US pilots that won the BOB....

also you know the germans are stupid and evil, who wants to play such people.


perhaps i should watch fewer holliwood movies

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 3:43:50 PM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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The story is based off a British soldier eh.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 4:02:53 PM   
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I wonder how many are aware, that the real Private Ryan was British hehe.

The story is based off a British soldier eh.


les, i have a source that even claims there were canadian troops fighting at d-day. can you believe such commonwealth propaganda?

every one where i live knows the americans did it alone

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 4:36:33 PM   
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I think the US is just embarassed over how little Canada was the furthest inland on D+1 :)

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 4:45:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forget DDay, and the Western Front altogether.

I want something that looks like the game shown in this thread, plays like a better version of OpFlashpoint, based upon real engagements/terrain, and isn't scripted. Oh, and allows the player to easily create new scenarios/campaigns. All on the Eastern Front, WW2. From either side (including Rumania, Hungary, Slovakia...).

That's my dream FPS.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 7:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I might have missed it, if it exists I guess I have missed it, but wouldn't it be nice to have someone produce a rolegame sort of game where the setting was WW2.

Something that follows the same sort of design as say Temple of Elemental evil which employs the Dungeons and Dragons rolegame system.

The idea being, you could design a soldier from ANY part of WW2, and fight with that dude in myriad battles from ANY part of WW2.

Not so much a shooter, yawn getting boring seeing yet another shooter. But something that is actually able to employ the same software that makes the fantasy rolegames popular.

Or is it possible, no one out there really gives a hoot to make us a genuine military rolegame?
And no, I don't want it to be some sort of flaky quasi scifi creation.

And no, it does NOT have to be in 3d (why does everyone have to insist on 3d?) Well the sort of 3d that uses more computer than is really necessary that is.

I have temple of elemental evil. I like that sort of graphic basically.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/28/2004 7:48:44 PM   
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Something that follows the same sort of design as say Temple of Elemental evil which employs the Dungeons and Dragons rolegame system.


Hey Les I never played "Temple of Elemental Evil." That is similar to "Never Winter Nights" and "Diablo" right? I agree something like that would be cool. Something that combines roleplaying with a dynamic campaign is definately something this genre is calling for. Though I must admit I think that was tried with...............oh good lord I just forgot the name. You had 5 guys in WWII and you were a specialist squad. Each guy had a different nationality. All I remember doing was messing up alot and everybody dying all of a sudden. So you had to save and start over a whole bunch. It Came out several years ago. I did not like that one very much. I did like some of the strategy aspect of it though.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/29/2004 5:16:36 AM   
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Frank W.
"also you know the germans are stupid and evil, who wants to play such people"

Belisarius
"Good question. But we won't see any first-person games featuring a scenario campaign with a German in the lead role anytime soon I recon. Taboo.


The big reason for the non-German side of view is due to the propaganda and de-humanizing of Germany. Call of Duty lets you play in the shoes of a Soviet Union conscript and that county became our enemy. Besides pople like to play "the bad guys". Look at the Grand Theft Auto series or even the Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic where you can be a dark force wielding jedi. Playing as the "enemy" is nothing new to war games.

quote:

Clive Thompson
"...part of the fun of some war games is that they allow players to cross battle lines. Germans happily buy World War II games in which they whack the Third Reich, and Vietnam games sell nicely in Southeast Asia. American gamers loved Panzer General, in which players control Nazi forces against the Allies and try to dominate Europe for Hitler. And plenty of folks—Yank and Reb alike—played Sid Meier's Gettysburg! so they could command the Confederate army against the marauding forces of Northern aggression. One of the pleasures of these war games is that they give you the weirdly rebellious experience of being in the other guy's foxhole, where you regard your nation's flag as the enemy. " (Read full article HERE)


Obviously the game would need a good story or have that movie like quality to it, such as Call of Duty, to get players to want to play as the Germans. It could take place on the Eastern front so that you would not have to kill Americans.

I believe that war games that take place on something other than Normandy would sell. The big conglomerates such as EA might never make such a game but a smaller firm could. The big companies are just too afraid to stray from a proven formula. That's why sequals are more common than original ideas.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 4/29/2004 6:40:08 AM   
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It's not a global condition.

Now I have played German forces in games, and I have played Japanese forces in some games.

If I truely thought I was in some way glorifying the past deeds of the axis powers, by taking that sides forces during the playing of a game, then it is also likely possible I would need psychiatric help as well.

I am actually more concerned with people concerned with it, than I am concerned with my playing the axis side in a game.

The only thing that ever counts with me, is whether the subject matter is both interesting, as well as worth my time simulating.
Some stuff is just not interesting.

If I already have 3-5 games that cover the event in board game, computer game options, then it is very unlikely I am going to rush out and buy yet another game for the exact same material.

Money is not unlimited in my life, and redundant games don't serve my purposes.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 5/4/2004 11:58:57 PM   
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One thought I had was to get rid of the stupid compass and let the player figure out how to accomplish the mission himself; make it wide open so that the player has a myriad of options for doing the job, rather than guiding him along a specific path that, if he gets off of, he's killed.

Or, even better, make the FPS games like those silly 'choose your own adventure' books we (I) grew up on in the 80s so that you can play one mission ten times and not do the same thing twice.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 5/5/2004 1:50:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apart from Gary Grigsby's World at War, which I WILL be getting, I had been thinking about getting Codename: Panzers. It was due the first quarter this year but slipped; I just went back to gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/codenamepanzers/index.html) and they now have a demo!

It's by a German company--maybe it'll feature a German perspective? <g>

(I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but it IS something I found interesting!)

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 5/5/2004 2:16:37 AM   
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Unsure if it is nothing more than colourful screenshots though.

Being able to make stunning 3d graphics doesn't imply you can make a stunning wargame though.
Just means you might just as easily be working for hollywood's next movie just as easily.

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RE: This looks pretty interesting - 5/5/2004 3:02:31 AM   
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Apart from Gary Grigsby's World at War, which I WILL be getting, I had been thinking about getting Codename: Panzers. It was due the first quarter this year but slipped; I just went back to gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/codenamepanzers/index.html) and they now have a demo!

It's by a German company--maybe it'll feature a German perspective? <g>

(I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but it IS something I found interesting!)

You can get the demo which you can link to from Wargamer. Stayed on my HD for like 10 minutes . I will give it one thing, it sure looks good.

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