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Ver 7.0 Bug? Synch - 12/14/2001 11:14:00 PM

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I upgraded from ver 6.1 to ver 7.0, deleted all my saved games and started a WWII Long Campaign as Germans. First two battles, no problem. The third battle started directly after the second battle without exiting the game, starting another application or restarting the computer. At about turn 7 on the AI turn I got a message reading something like "Waiting for all players to synch" with a little clock-like disply on the lower right-hand corner of the map reading "0.00". I watched it for a while then hit escape and it went away. After waiting a reasonable amount of time for the AI turn to finish, I killed the game, restarted, restored my last save and finished the battle. The fourth battle started immediately after the third and ren with no problem. The fifth battle started immediately after the fourth and the "synch" message appeared again during the AI fourth or fifth turn.
What's up with this? Apparently the game starts thinking this is a network game.

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- 12/15/2001 12:41:00 AM

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I had the same thing happen when I tried to run an AI vs AI fight of a scenario I'm designing. However, until I know more I won't call it a BUG. More likely just something about the game I am not familiar with. If the game had one-tenth the bugs people like to claim, none of us would be here because the game would be unplayable.

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- 12/15/2001 1:18:00 AM

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maybe the AI is trying to phone home?

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- 12/15/2001 2:53:00 AM

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quote:

Originally posted by pax27:
maybe the AI is trying to phone home?

Maybe with the help of the German bicycle infantry?

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- 12/15/2001 3:03:00 AM

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We are trying to get more info on this bug and when it occurs. Are you hooked to a network when it happens (ie LAN, cabale modem, DSL). When are you saving the game, or are you using the auto save? Do you play online or time games in between opening the campaign save? Something has to casue the game to think it is being played in online mode. It could be detecting another computer attempting to connect (port scans are common)and thinking you mean to be playing that way? Has anyone had it happen when not connected to the internet? How destructive is it? Is it just a case of going back a few turns, or does it skip whole games? Are you doing anything like downloading in the background behind the game? Please post here with these details if you have run accros this.

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- 12/15/2001 3:28:00 AM

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I've had this happen also, not on-line either, happens during the AI turn.I'll try to see if I can get it to do this again.The campaign I'm playing, that it does this on is a Chinese Communist one.

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- 12/15/2001 3:47:00 AM

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Same here. Not on-line but I had 'alt-tab' to go to the Desktop and when I 'alt-tab' back into the game it started to do the sync thing. It has only happened once so far. [ December 14, 2001: Message edited by: Ross Moorhouse FUTURE ]

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- 12/15/2001 4:05:00 AM

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Paul: I didn't do anything before this message showed up; I was in continuous battles in the campaign. HOWEVER: I think there's the possibility that my PC started one of those funky and highly irritating Hewlett-Packard update things while I was playing. That might make the game it was connected to the Internet. That theory doesn't explain why it went away when I restarted the game, but it's not a bad theory. I'm also intrigued by the ALT+TAB theory. I don't specifically remember doing that either time, but I suppose it's possible. If I did, that contradicts my first sentence. "I am large, I contain multitudes."

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- 12/15/2001 4:18:00 AM

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Apparently my lasst reply didn't post so I'll try again.
Paul: No. I'm not online or hooked into a network. I have an internal modem and it didn't make any noise. Nor did I leave the campaign between the second battle and the third (when the problem showed up the first time.) I don't use auto-save (I think. At least not on purpose) I manually save at the end of my turn in save slot 4, which I call "Current Turn."
I think there's a possibility that my PC may have started one of those highly irritating Hewlett-Packard Update things while I was playing. Maybe that caused the game to think it was online. It wouldn't explaing very well why SPWAW behaved normally (for a while) after I killed it and restarted. But's it not a bad theory for all that.

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- 12/15/2001 4:34:00 AM

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This event happened twice when I tried to let my new scenario run through AI vs AI. Both times at approximately the same turn. I was online with Outlook Express set to check for new messages every 10 minutes. I'll bet that's what did it. I'll try to auto-play again offline and report back here.

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- 12/15/2001 5:34:00 AM

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It seems this happens even without being online. I just ran AI vs AI again - offline with Outlook Express off. The game ran 11 turns, 45 minutes, and then locked with the "out of synch" message. This is the exact same point it did this the other two times, as I now recall.

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- 12/15/2001 7:20:00 AM

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quote:

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
We are trying to get more info on this bug and when it occurs. Are you hooked to a network when it happens (ie LAN, cabale modem, DSL). When are you saving the game, or are you using the auto save? Do you play online or time games in between opening the campaign save? Something has to casue the game to think it is being played in online mode. It could be detecting another computer attempting to connect (port scans are common)and thinking you mean to be playing that way? Has anyone had it happen when not connected to the internet? How destructive is it? Is it just a case of going back a few turns, or does it skip whole games? Are you doing anything like downloading in the background behind the game? Please post here with these details if you have run accros this.

Paul I ran into it when I was running ai vs ai fights with different tanks, but only on the second battle each time after firing up the game. My setup is win98se.
Online 24/7 with cable modem hooked up via network card, no local net.
Zone alarm firewall running with the beta mech.exe allowed access, but the new version has not attempted access yet, which leads me to believe the game wasn't actually seeing a connect attempt.
I was running Agent in the background downloading binary newsgroups. I have never had any problem with running anything in the background before. I even run Agent while playing Halflife tfc, my system is stable enough to do that.
No saves were being done since I was just comparing against results that I got with v4 with the same tests.
I never had the problem when using 7.0b6, it started with the v7 general release. If you need any other info just let me know.
thanks, John.

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- 12/15/2001 9:43:00 AM

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The same thing happened to me, I was connected online, but ZA's internet lock was activated, so no action. Really really weird too. I was just starting to win too!
Oh well....

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- 12/15/2001 9:44:00 AM

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For what it's worth, I've never had this problem when playing normally, whether online or off.

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- 12/15/2001 10:08:00 AM

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I have seen the synch message several times but only in AI vs AI testing.

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- 12/15/2001 7:31:00 PM

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Got the same bug. Playing MCNA. My computers always on the net (SDSL)but haven't played any games online. The bug appears in the second scenario, (and always then I'm being lucky) during the AI's turn. Regards
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- 12/15/2001 9:09:00 PM

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It have happened to me too. I was playing i campaign-mode (vs AI)and got the sync-message. I have a LAN-connection to the internet and am connected all the time. Another little feature... I play a hotseat game against a friend (german vs russian sept '41) and
in when I check his draws in vcr his busted BT-7-tanks appear as some US carrierplane (hard to see which one...)

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- 12/15/2001 11:12:00 PM

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For me, the 'synch' bug first appeared in ver7 and has made large scenarios in SPWAW, including large scenarios in MC:NA, totally unplayable. The bug causes a unrecoverable failure... the only solution is to crash out to the desktop. The bug recurs very predictably... I have tried to complete at least 5 times the scenario in MC:NA around El Agiela (sic?) in which Jerry retreats through a pass -- each time, on or around the 5th or 6th turn, players become 'out of synch.' Note that the bug always occurs after a kill of an AFV in OpFire. Please note that I also suffered from the 'Yugo' bug... my machine is always connected to the Internet by way of a cable modem. Thanks.

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- 12/16/2001 2:15:00 AM

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I, too, encountered the "sync" bug playing MCNA (now that I can without becoming a Yugo after the first scenario--thank you 7.0!). Well into the second scenario, not online, not connected, taskbar items shut down (but not ctrl-alt-del explorer/systray shutdown), not saved (alas!), I got the missing "sync" message, as reported above, and the hourglass cursor, from which there was no escape--not even "esc"--I was locked up. When I replayed the scenario everything went just fine, with autosave, and it has not reappeared, yet, into battle #4.

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- 12/16/2001 5:48:00 AM

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Does it every happen to anyone with "Opfire confirm" turned off?

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- 12/16/2001 5:54:00 AM

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Happened to me TWICE in my first game, first time I simply went and reloaded a former turn save, second time I just bagged it... Also, another strange bug where I cannot select another unit - any time I click on my units, it gives my the unit information, like I was clicking the right mouse button. Only solution is to save the game there and reload (the save I mentioned before was only there because of this bug!) Venger

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- 12/16/2001 6:31:00 AM

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quote:

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Does it every happen to anyone with "Opfire confirm" turned off?

I always play with op fire off, so yes. Just for the heck of it, I tried AI vs AI with op fire on, same result. [ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: Warrior ]

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- 12/16/2001 6:32:00 AM

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quote:

Originally posted by Venger:
Also, another strange bug where I cannot select another unit - any time I click on my units, it gives my the unit information, like I was clicking the right mouse button. Only solution is to save the game there and reload (the save I mentioned before was only there because of this bug!) Venger

This sounds like it might be cured by deleting steel,prf from the Save folder, rebooting and restarting the game.

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- 12/16/2001 8:00:00 AM

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quote:

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Does it every happen to anyone with "Opfire confirm" turned off?

I always play with opfire off, so that is how it hit me. Could this be a case of a wrong module being called while doing some other routine? Since it happened to me with nothing but tanks and crews on the map, it was triggered by any of the possible following.
Tank moving
tank firing
tank being hit
tank exploding
crew generation after losing tank
crew being fired at
crew attacking tank
crew moving
etc Not a small list of possible suspects. That is assuming that it isn't a simple case of the program misreading the tcpip stack. Though why it is checking for players after a game has started, is beyond me. Unless of course you can load a save game and have players join in, which might be what the program thinks is happening.
thanks, John.

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- 12/17/2001 7:02:00 AM

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I had this happen too! I recently installed a NIC, so I can get ADSL, and within a day, I started having difficulty. However, I have also been using 2-player hotseat to set up the computer's forces and initial artillery barrage {I still can't believe I did that to my own artillery site-just stuck it too far fwd, and was in LOS}; so now many things have changed {like no longer can I reload the end screen to get better visibility on next attack when its Assault with vis <5}. I can still replay the last turn, but different outcomes, and once a defend-battle that had ended after Turn 1 {the computer didn't buy much; after two turns of artillery it was too suppressed to go on}, dragged on to turn 8!

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- 12/17/2001 10:47:00 AM

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I am connected with DSL & have been a couple of years. I didn't get the "player synch" error until I upgraded (or side stepped) to 7.0. I had the beta version patch for the Yugo bug & did not have a problem. I was playing the Stalingrad campaign & could only recover by cancelling the task & coming back to the desktop. It's happened several times so I came here to see if there was a glitch.

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- 12/18/2001 3:25:00 PM

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I got the error too in MC: Desest Fox. First kinda a strange things happened: All I checked one of my units ammo status with right click and after that all my mouse left clicks were also right clicks. next unit button didn't works also and I dediced to change turn, because battle was ending anyway. After that I got the sync message.
I do have a permanent net connection and I alt-tab all the time. But I guess that wasn't the cause off the bug.

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- 12/18/2001 10:08:00 PM

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Paul: I'm never connected to the Internet when I play and I'm never on a network. I've had the "Waiting for all players to synch" lockup happen as soon as AI turn 1. I finally figured out last night that the occasional lockups I get on my turn are probably caused by the "synch thing." I can't move or shoot, the keyboard doesn't work and clicking a unit with the left mouse button acts like the right mouse button. The little "0.00" clock is on the lower right-hand corner of the map. When it happens on my turn, the mouse works on the tool buttons, so I can quit the battle, quit the program and restart the game. When I restore the last save, the game functions normally until the next time. I can go 2-4 battles sometimes without a problem, then it happens again. It's a nuisance.

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- 12/18/2001 11:17:00 PM

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We are taking a look at waht we need to do to fix this...Thank you for the info it helps narrow down potential suspects. These bugs that only affect some people, some of the time are the toughest to try to debug!

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- 12/20/2001 6:16:00 AM

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This "out of sync" bug has also effected me. Occurs when playing the mega campaign north africa on the "protecting our own" at el adem scenario. Attacking a small convoy. I`ve played it through twice and both times I have broken the computers morale, which is when I get the message. I`ve played a couple of one off scenarios with no trouble so far.

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