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How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 11:45:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't understand how to use my PT's and what their role was/is? Can someone explain the correct way to deploy them and what kind of patrol they should be making? How many in a TF? etc...


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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 11:57:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		hm, you could use them for attacking transport TF when the enemy base is close, such as the area around Guadalcanal...and perhaps use them defensively for guarding endangered harbours.

Once in PacWar i had some TF of them at Rabaul and the japanese Navy attacked with battleships during night, Yamato was hit very heavy and the whole attack was repulsed.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 12:05:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		So should I sit them in suspected hexes and wait for an opportunity, patrol with then or move them into base hexes? also , what are good orders for them to have? i.e. ...retreat/react

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 12:23:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		They’re very effective as harbor guards, I usually use surface combat TF with 23 boats and 2 destroyers (DD must be equipped with radar), commander should be ‘very aggressive’ and should have moderate ratings, enough to get acceptable results and not too high so you won’t be sorry if he will be killed. Orders must be ‘react to enemy’. This is not historical TF composition, but it works very well, DDs play role of radar picket and take most of the enemy fire in combat, while enemy is trying to knock down your DDs PT-boats attack enemy with torps and usually get a couple of really good shots. You can defeat very powerful enemy bombardment group, sink a couple of cruiser or even battleships at the cost of 2 DD and 5-10 PT-boats maximum.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 12:37:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		thank you both for the quick replies. I really want to learn this game but have many questions. It is people like you that help advance this hobby.


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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 1:59:45 PM   
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I don't understand how to use my PT's and what their role was/is? Can someone explain the correct way to deploy them and what kind of patrol they should be making? How many in a TF? etc...


TIA

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I often wondered about the PTs in UV,they never seemed to attack with torpedos.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 5:54:17 PM   
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They’re very effective as harbor guards, I usually use surface combat TF with 23 boats and 2 destroyers (DD must be equipped with radar), commander should be ‘very aggressive’ and should have moderate ratings, enough to get acceptable results and not too high so you won’t be sorry if he will be killed. Orders must be ‘react to enemy’. This is not historical TF composition, but it works very well, DDs play role of radar picket and take most of the enemy fire in combat, while enemy is trying to knock down your DDs PT-boats attack enemy with torps and usually get a couple of really good shots. You can defeat very powerful enemy bombardment group, sink a couple of cruiser or even battleships at the cost of 2 DD and 5-10 PT-boats maximum.


Excellent group choice there.... I didn't think of throwing in a destroyer as a leader but that's a great idea I'll have to steal!

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 7:27:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Rob used them in a good manner in our PBEM game. I have a landing force at Lingayen which isn't going anywhere soon, so he sent a half dozen PTs to say hi. I sunk 5 of them, but they managed to put 2 torps in my ships. I think he has a bunch more on the way as there are lots of small TFs all over NW PI.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 8:03:34 PM   
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I think Rob used them in a good manner in our PBEM game. I have a landing force at Lingayen which isn't going anywhere soon, so he sent a half dozen PTs to say hi. I sunk 5 of them, but they managed to put 2 torps in my ships. I think he has a bunch more on the way as there are lots of small TFs all over NW PI.


Yep, You actually don't have to do anything except have them at a base. They automatically get sent out to attack whatever shows up. One of the million nice little rules that make WitP Heaven on Earth

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 8:26:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always like to use PT's as part of a layered defence, mines, CD units and PT's. If you take a location that you know the enemy will attack or try to retake.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 8:39:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, I'm a complete droofus.. but. Didn't the Japanese have a PT boat equivalent? If so, is it in the game?

I may be mistaken.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 8:49:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the other side of this debate, what's the best way to deal with them? I sometimes find Destroyer groups can do the trick, but it's a bit of a risk when they are so small and numerous, and I wouldn't risk CAs or higher. Anyone got any better moves?

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 8:54:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes destroyers are the only answer AFAIK. The original name for the class was Torpedo Boat Destroyers. Probably DEs will do the job quite well.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:03:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alikchi

Sorry, I'm a complete droofus.. but. Didn't the Japanese have a PT boat equivalent? If so, is it in the game?
I may be mistaken.


They had patrol craft, but not Motor Torpedo Boats in the sense of the American "PT's",
British "MTB's" or the German "S" boats. Had they played this game, they would have
built them..., they are WAY over-valued as ship killing assets in WITP. In the real war
they were usefull as anti-barge vessels and for ASW patrols near forward bases..., but
as ship-killers they were a colorfull failure.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didn't they succeed in the southern fork of the battle of Savo. IIRC they did quite a bit of damage to the southern japanese force?

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:06:33 PM   
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They had patrol craft, but not Motor Torpedo Boats in the sense of the American "PT's",
British "MTB's" or the German "S" boats. Had they played this game, they would have
built them..., they are WAY over-valued as ship killing assets in WITP. In the real war
they were usefull as anti-barge vessels and for ASW patrols near forward bases..., but
as ship-killers they were a colorfull failure.


I think their major problem is the crappy Allied torpedo. Like I posted before I had a torp hit my cruiser and a AP causing minimal damage (like 10 sys). I'm just glad those weren't Japanese type 93s. The AP would probably be crippled (if not sunk) and the cruiser would be limping home for repairs. They are a useful platform, just equipped with a worthless weapon.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:08:10 PM   
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Didn't they succeed in the southern fork of the battle of Savo. IIRC they did quite a bit of damage to the southern japanese force?


Nope. Weren't any of them involved at SAVO ISLAND at all..., just Cruisers and Destroyers.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:10:18 PM   
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They are a useful platform, just equipped with a worthless weapon.


You will learn to love US subs too for the very same reason.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:11:51 PM   
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They are a useful platform, just equipped with a worthless weapon.


You will learn to love US subs too for the very same reason.


Only had 1 run in with an Allied sub... Damn Dutch boat I think.. It hit an AK, but didn't sink it.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:13:20 PM   
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Well if you're a senator's kid, park her in front of a Jap destroyer, take her out of gear, save whatever's left of your crew after she's plowed.

You'll be hailed as a hero !

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:14:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		PT's -what's the best way to deal with them

Same as everything else airpower, save your bombers, fighters set to 100 ft (strafing attacks) work nicely!

The Japanese have MTB's - motor torpedo boats.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:14:28 PM   
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Only had 1 run in with an Allied sub... Damn Dutch boat I think.. It hit an AK, but didn't sink it.


Key turn #1 touchup ... At Taan you have a really nice collection of ASW ships. Stick them *IN* the TF's that are off to Malaya. Instead of getting torpedoed, you will bag a sub

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 9:46:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can also run them into an enemy base to check and see if there is a defensive minefield. Cheap intelligence at 1 VP.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 10:22:42 PM   
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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 6/30/2004 10:32:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		That'd make a great frag order.

Procede to XXXXXX port. If you don't hit any mines, report back. If you do, well, we'll figure it out.

that is all

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 7/1/2004 12:00:59 AM   
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I think Rob used them in a good manner in our PBEM game. I have a landing force at Lingayen which isn't going anywhere soon, so he sent a half dozen PTs to say hi. I sunk 5 of them, but they managed to put 2 torps in my ships. I think he has a bunch more on the way as there are lots of small TFs all over NW PI.


Yep, You actually don't have to do anything except have them at a base. They automatically get sent out to attack whatever shows up. One of the million nice little rules that make WitP Heaven on Earth


When you say "You actually don't have to do anything except have them at a base" does that mean assigned to a TF or just 'at anchor' at the base?

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 7/1/2004 12:25:26 AM   
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When you say "You actually don't have to do anything except have them at a base" does that mean assigned to a TF or just 'at anchor' at the base?


Computer automatically froms them into a TF and attacks for you.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 7/1/2004 12:37:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		My PTs usually attack with torps if they face a superior TF. Barges they attack with mgs.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 7/1/2004 12:42:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		simple....run them there on a one way trip.....like Lunga to Rabaul etc.....still short range but IF they get back then you worry about the one hex at a time movement.

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RE: How Should One Use PT Boats? - 7/1/2004 12:44:48 AM   
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